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posted October 10, 2008 10:35 AM
Who has had success with Nox clutch setup?
This is in no way bashing Nox. Just curious if anyone has had success with his clutch setup. I realize he seems to know alot about setting them up, but charges a fee for his help. But he does not mind coming on here and asking others to help him for free....example, weighing different wheels and tire combinations for him. If we all charged a fee for our knowledge, would everyone pay? Just wondering if its worth my money to pay him to help set up my busa clutch or do trial and error myself. Like I said, not bashing his knowledge, just his fee.
  
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posted October 10, 2008 10:48 AM
He helped me on my lock actually his old lockup,.....I`m a street/strip racer on my stock 02 ZX12R(9.46@145mph)....Never asked for a cent,and I needed some help on it because of my riding it on the street also.....Seems like a pretyt nice dude ....And I think I would help him out if he needed it too....Just my 2 cents, ok....
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posted October 10, 2008 11:17 AM
If you want FREE help with OEM Kawasaki clutch set up for 2000-2001 zx12s read this:
If you have a 2002-2005 you already have the good set up...If you find yourself breaking the small friction then replace it with the regular friction and take out the chatter rings...
If you have a zx14 this post is not for you, but you can buy OEM replacement clutch set up from Schnitz Racing, there is no better set up than what Kawasaki put in the 14...DONT LET ANYONE TELL YOU ANY DIFFERENT !!!...Unless your going with a Lock-Up set up!!!
http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=13&TID=17845
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posted October 10, 2008 12:17 PM
wow,nice way to introduce yourself! I've been kind of curious as to how much time was knocked off from his set ups.I look at Nox as that's just his gig.Burn the clutch up once from a wrong set up and his price ain't so bad.I know what you're saying as I 'm old school but that also means his business is none of mine.
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ZRXDean
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posted October 10, 2008 12:22 PM
Clutch tune ups are hard to generalize - everyone rides differently, every bike is set up differently.
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posted October 10, 2008 01:05 PM
Jusy my .02..I would spend the money with Nox for one reason. When he gets it set-up right you will save money on the backend from not having to buy so many friction and steel plates. If I remember right, he gets a bunch of passes out of a clutch.
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gsxr4life
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posted October 10, 2008 01:15 PM
Thanks for the input guys! Sounds like its worth it. Was looking at it as if he gets its totally wrong the first couple times, not only am I out clutches, but $150 from another persons guess. And that I could do on my own. I was just wondering if anyone has had any true experience good or bad with him.
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posted October 10, 2008 01:30 PM
he got like 900 passes out of a pack i think.... hes been helping me with mine, we made changes for every race i got to the track, each time it got better. i cant slip a clutch consistantly, but with the lock up, it takes that one thing out of the way and lets you focus on reaction time, rpms, getting wot ect ect. ive spent lots of time on the phone with him, and learned a lot about more than just fine tuning a clutch. imo it was worth it
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posted October 10, 2008 02:35 PM
 Edited By: NOX on 10 Oct 2008 23:07
And I have about 250 passes on this clutch pack......, with the multi stage, and they are known to eat clutches..........
And it is still fine. Just inspected it, as I have a grudge/match race this sat night, for I really am not sure how much money, as I am not putting up the purse, against a busa at 68" with a 60 or 100 shot. Me on my stock motor. He he. Can you say, holeshot is a comin.
I have some more video, but I have to call ninja 12 in a minute, and put my rear wheel and tire on.
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posted October 10, 2008 02:51 PM
Edited By: NOX on 10 Oct 2008 22:56
Also, you have to pay for dyno sessions........., consider it a clutch dyno session. Plus, how many times would you have to go to the track, gas, entry, etc, to get a good tune up, from that crap tune up that mtc sends...........? How many people have you seen at the track, having issues with thier bike doing stupid stuff....., and they all say this......" But MTC said it was set up for my bike and rider weight........" Paul Stuart called me when I sent him my lock up , PISSED OFF. he thought I was feeding him shit. His first pass with my tune up, (for his bike), was I believe his fastest ever.
When guys say they have the "Nox Tune Up" they are running the tune up I told them to run for thier application. Woppis is way different than mine. Paul runs what I ran, we run pretty much the same bike. Scotts is different, he has a bigger motor. I wish I could get my hands on Karls........, OMG that thing would scream. I cant wait till I tune up Wolf's. BUT, they all have to have something different. You just have to know the ins and outs of them to know what needs what, and what the minimum limits are.
And I sold my lock up to paul cheap, because no one believed the muzzy lock up could perform, and that I was a fluke.........
Be happy you don't live close, if I tune it by hand, at the track, I charge more, but I had a 300 lb rider doing 8.0 in 1000 ft on a stock gixxer 1000.........., throwing the clutch away........
And actually, I have found that for a good set up, for the 14, busa clutches work better........, but it would take me 30 minutes to type why, and some of it is secret squirrell stuff , related to a special tune up we use..........
Guys here at my local track doubt me. But I run 3.7s in 330 with stock 1199cc, tossing the clutch lever. Can you? If you can do it, kudos. But I have a 6 pack of your favorite brew that says it costs you way more than 150 to even get near the stadium, let alone the ball park. I don't give you the home run set up, but I get you on base........, MTC puts you in the parking lot...........
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posted October 10, 2008 03:06 PM
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Clutch tune ups are hard to generalize - everyone rides differently, every bike is set up differently.
Thats why we are all running something different. But it is working for all of us. there is no perfect set up for all apps...........,
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posted October 10, 2008 03:12 PM
quote:
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Clutch tune ups are hard to generalize - everyone rides differently, every bike is set up differently.
Thats why we are all running something different. But it is working for all of us. there is no perfect set up for all apps...........,
EXACTLY.......ALL R DIFFERENT....
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posted October 10, 2008 04:48 PM
That true everyone rides different and needs different setups but the main things is the person riding the bike also has to be consistant at doing the same thing. I am still working with mines I am getting there my 330 are 3.93 and 60ft are 1.45 and I am 220 pounds in leather. Motor package is a 1272 Weisco piston, Heavy duty studs, MTC lockup, 66"long, slammed, shinko tire ultra, 2.5" lowered in the front, Flotec Racing Street Strip Port Job, heavy duty head springs, boots shaved to match the head.
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posted October 10, 2008 09:04 PM
You are bogging past the 60 ft marker............., your 330s should be lower with that motor, and 60 ft time.........
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posted October 11, 2008 05:30 AM
Edited By: rquinn on 11 Oct 2008 13:35
Yeah! Nox I know I am still working on it just can't get to the track like I want just don't have the time, but I leave the line between 6500 and 7000 RPM and wack the throttle and after the 60ft I start to lose at one time I thought that I was driving through the clutch. Really and truly I am still not sure but when I had the screws and 2 washers on the bike the same on all arms it actually ran higher MPH at the 1/8mile and at the 1/4 mile but when I decreased the weights on the arms I lost MPH. Cause I felt like the bike was bogging beyond the 60ft. I had been thinking of trying it back with the same static pressure that I have now and add the weight back and see those that make difference cause it seems like the lock up due to the light weight on the arms is not locking up earlier enough and it is causing the lack luster 1/8 mile and 1/4mile times that this bike is capable of. Do you think I need to get this bike tuned first before I put this much time into the clutch cause the bike after the rebuild only has like 500 miles on the new motor and it has not been tuned.
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posted October 11, 2008 06:39 AM
If you are going to have it tuned, then get it tuned up first. If you change the tune, it will slightly change the lock up tune........
Unless you had a weather station, I doubt much of the data is really usable......., and wheel spin will make more mph in the 1/8 and 1/4. MPH has never won a race, and never will. ET wins races.
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posted October 11, 2008 07:11 AM
Thanks! will do
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posted October 11, 2008 04:14 PM
Hey Nox, why does wheelspin give more mph?
I still can't reconcile how a bad launch can sometimes lead to great mph vs. a much quicker ET with lower mph...
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posted October 11, 2008 05:11 PM
Lower e/t gets you there quicker but in less mph. When you spin or have a bad 60 ft, it takes you more time giving you more mph
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posted October 12, 2008 03:57 AM
if everyone could have the perfect tune at the track... there'd be no need for "test & tune"
Whats a Nox consult fee cost these days?
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posted October 12, 2008 06:34 AM
I support NOX's efforts 110%, and if i were doing 1/4mi these days, i would hire him in a sec.
Tuning a lockup is NOT easy, and NOT effectively done by calling MTC or asking yr Bud for his set up.
NOX has systematically taught himself how to tune the lockup by trying a g-zillion set ups and keeping careful notes. His left & right hands seem to be connected well enough to his brain where he actually knows what they are doing wrt lock-up sets.
Combining hand knowledge and set up variations is something I cannot predictably do even with a data logger to help.
When I go back to the 1/4 mile, 1st person i will call is NOX, yep.
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posted October 13, 2008 07:14 AM
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Lower e/t gets you there quicker but in less mph. When you spin or have a bad 60 ft, it takes you more time giving you more mph
exactly.........
MPH never has, and never will win a drag race. ET wins races. This weekend I laid the wood to a 1430 with a carpenter head in a 1000ft all motor heads up class. Same rider sizes. When I work on his clutch, things will be different. My 7.50something at 136, beat his 7.8something at 138. I was high 7.4s the week earlier, at 135. His clutch tune up killed his 330 time so bad it was not even funny..........
I have some good video I will try to post up this week. If I have time........., of several 3.7s in 330, and how smooth a bike can launch to do that, even with no hp.
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posted October 13, 2008 07:21 AM
Oh, I found my limit...........
In my last two outings....., I have been .401, and .370 on the pro tree, shallow staging........
Had to take a hair out of here.........., and yes, I left on yellow, . Bad thing was, the .370 was on a 450 dollar match race, and they set the terms. One time deal only, so we lost that, he was on bottle, me on motor. In a motor to motor run later. I got my redemption, but no money on it. my 7.53 to his 7.97.
I have always known how and why some of the bikes in PSB go red, and how some are avoiding it........, but wow. I never thought I could make my street tire bike do it.
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posted October 13, 2008 07:29 AM
I'm actually interested in how to increase my mph, even at the expense of ET. That's why I was asking.
Not for the dragstrip, but for LSR.
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posted October 13, 2008 02:41 PM
then put all the weight on it , just to make sure it holds......., it will suck on the dragstrip, but will be fine for what you are wanting to do. you mph will depend on you and your power. the lock up will not be a factor.
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