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posted June 07, 2007 05:43 AM
Will report results.. if my tire comes in before friday will go for st least test and tune for the weekend...if not will probably have time and the money for a two step before next race in two weeks......I take it the 17" rim regular slick 7" wide Mickey thompson slick runs air pressure below 8 lbs? was not sure about that can call them too...
Have ordered extra set of clutch fibers and will be taking existing out to inspect , sand down steels with fine sanpaper and oil plates if they look good ...unfortunately ZX-10R has lightweight flimsy clutch fibers compared to ZX-11 or ZX-14...if I get 25-35 decent passes will be happy..just a summer hobby here...not going for track championship...
should be fun anyways...turn 50 this year...wheelie bar and slick is something I want to do before I get too old......  
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posted June 07, 2007 07:25 PM
Salsa1,
I know that the ZX10 is a fast bike, but it is not a torque bike it's a high HP bike. You will have to run much higher air pressure in the tire than 10lbs. I have had 2 guys here localy build 900 bikes (Kaw900 and a Honda 900) and the results were the same. Bog off the line with low tire pressure, both bikes ran some where in the 15 to 20 PSI range. The Honda was the last one I help set up and the M/T tire was so sticky that we did put a Shinko on it and it did not help and that was after we geared it to the moon. He sold the bike and got a Busa.
Most of the liter bikes and under do not make good bar and slick bikes. I'm not saying that it can't be done, just plan to spend allot of money to make it work. I have to agree with Nox on this, stretch the bike 6 to 10" and go play that way. Save your self the money and trouble and have a cool bike that is streched and still able to ride on the street.
If you were planning to do the old "switch-a-roo" going from a street bike to a bar bike, that get real old real fast.
If you really want a bar bike go buy an old KZ for a $1000. and play with it. Parts are cheap and people are selling them all the time.
Just my 2 cents... Good luck..
Doc.
P.S. My ZX12 I ran anywhere from 9.0 to 13 PSI in my M/T slick without a lockup, geared 16/55 best pass was a 9.22 with a stock pipe no muffler, short times were in the low 1.40's bike would run 9.30 to 9.40 all the time.
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posted June 07, 2007 08:31 PM
High tire pressure is only if you want to generate wheel spin., i e , dont know how to tune the clutch.........
I ran 6 lbs, and did 5.7s in the 1/8, with 1.32 short times......., at 120........., with a brick bike, no pc, and stock header cut off.........
Would love to try it again with all the power I have now........
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posted June 08, 2007 07:55 AM
 Edited By: salsa1 on 8 Jun 2007 10:29
I figure this whole deal is risky.. the more I find out the scarier it can seem...
But don't plan on backing out.. plan on looking into a billet clutch basket and the lockout to help be easier on the tranny and every thing else...
any one knows who sells a billet clutch for the ZX-10R?
Any recomendations and single stage versus multistage? Muzzy or MSD? or who to buy from?? probably single stage will work...
One problem I have seen in lockups from research is that if they work too well they squeeze the oil from between the plates and need frequent re-oiling to avoid making runs on dry plates...
I do pray I am not setting myself to self destruct here...
whats the worst that can happen.. wait don't answer that...
If set up with billet clutch basket and lock up on soft setting with proper gearing I hope to just go thru clutch fibers a bit more than average and still have my ZX-11 for cruising on the street while the ZX-10R set up for dragstrip...not much action around my streets anyways...
Dragracing is a neat hobby..I really like it ... but can be expensive as a lot a folks know...
Later...
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posted June 08, 2007 09:27 AM
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posted June 08, 2007 01:40 PM
I hear what Dr Joe has experienced...if get low to mid 1.4's in the 60" will be happy with that....rear sprockets run up 74 teeth by vortex....
should get something to work...already spent for the slick and wheelie bar...
750 Kawasaki triples and other bikes 1000cc or less have worked with slick and bar... I figure my ZX-10R is not weak in the midrange and has a chance of doing 1.4's.. again have not done anything.. even if I have to revert to a longer swing arm instead of the wheelie bar route...the lockup and two step should still be useful... can't hurt to have a billet clutch either .. if I can find out who sells them....
have fun!!
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posted June 08, 2007 07:23 PM
Falicon sell the billet clutch basket...
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posted June 10, 2007 10:33 AM
It has nothing to do with mid range power, it has to do with tuning the lockup clutch to get to the hp, and stay there............
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posted June 10, 2007 06:57 PM
I figure the lockup clutch t will have an easier target with broad power band....but hey if it does not matter then a narrow peaky power band will work just as easy.. I don't see how that would be...
But I will arrive at the best setting for my bike regardless.. just answering to myself why Dr Joe seen failure to use slick and bar with two built 900's.. thats all.. maybe he did not have a lockup clutch with either bike.. or never adjusted it to work .. don't care terribly anyways.. I know what I have to do.. and I believe it will work good enough for me....
I am far from running out of options at this point....
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posted June 11, 2007 07:32 PM
Nither of the 900 bikes had lock up on them, so that was not my choice.
Fact is this is my first lock up that is on my 14. And Nox is right if you do not have a lock up you have to spin the tire at the start or bog the bike. But it does work and quit well. There is no tuning the lock up, you just adjust air pressure in the tire for more or less grip/bog.
But air pressure is something that you will have to adjust with or without a lock up.
One bit of advise, when you make an adjustment. Make one at a time, don't add more air and then increase the 2-step 1000 rpm you won't know which one worked???
Also either keep mental notes or write them down, what you try, to keep track of what worked and what didn't.
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posted June 11, 2007 07:48 PM
mental notes suck.........
write them down, trust me on that .............
Wheel spin is okay, but it will stop, and the bike will bog, and you will lose et.........., and there will be a time it will try to eat the tree, or the guy in the other lane............
setting it up right with a lock up, is faster, and actually calmer...........
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posted June 12, 2007 05:43 AM
Edited By: salsa1 on 12 Jun 2007 06:48
My plan has been to use the lock up to give for managing good launches ....as nox pointed out....more predictability there .. makes sense...
One reason I would want highest air pressure and still have a good launch are obvious .. better final mph and safer.. less rim scooting or wobble if that is a concern...will need to play at the track to see what works the best.. like I said his is a hobby as much as competition...
might be a while before I get it all set up.. air shifter.. billet clutch.. two step.. and probably multi stage instead of single stage.. still bit undecided on whether single or multi..
my partner at the track been dragracing for 35 years .. he raced for Kawasaki starting back in the days of the triples......still about 150 lbs at age 60..
not in a big hurry...will take time to do all I need to do...
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posted June 12, 2007 05:52 AM
with a two step and bars, a single stage works very well............
I can tell you how to put in down at about 1.35 shorts in a couple passes........, if it is a zx12 based machine........
go get some 16 and 56 gears........
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