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posted February 17, 2003 07:02 AM
Red, First I liked Clinton. So I am biased. But tell me this, if you had only two choices. 1) Clinton in office & you have a job. 2) Bush in office & you don't have a job. Who do you think you would prefer? A awful lot of people out of work out there. There is a old chinese saying. Take care of your own house before you worry about other peoples houses. ? Do you think maybe it applies here? Sure, it may be an over simplified example, but you get the point. Worry about the US, SCREW the rest of the world. Let them defend themselves. Now, whoever/whatever starts something with us. Then we take them out, like they never existed.
  
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posted February 17, 2003 07:25 AM
Yeah addison and Bush is the reason for people not having a job. You guys are getting better at repeating word for word the Democrats mantra. I feel sorry for you. Let me guess you only watch MSNBC or CNN.
Red, they have proven themselves to be minions of the like of Barbara Streisand and Susan Sarandon.
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posted February 17, 2003 07:27 AM
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I don't know. I'm kinda biased too. clinton almost closed down our 45 year old family owned business on numerous ocassions. Both while he was governor and later as president. When it comes to small businesses like ours, we tend to prefer Bush.
Especially with the latest economic package being passed, we will actually get some tax relief that I know we will be pouring that little bit of money back into our company. We have started a remodeling of our small manufacturing area (first time in 35 years), we plan on more hiring, purchasing new equipment, contracting of services, and much more. This economic package is the first ray of hope we have seen in over five years.
I have watched too many small businesses close, not due to bad management, but due to over taxation and over regulation. Though our facility has always exceed both state and federal enviromental regulations, with the upcoming benefits from this latest package, we will be able to purchase more "enviromentally friendly" equipment that will keep us exceeding those regulations well into the 21st century and actually allow us to hire more people.
As for those that say that it will just go into the pockets of the business owners is laughable. My personal salary has gone down by almost 1/3 over the past six years, while some of my long term employees are getting close to making what I am. While some folks go out and by the latest trick stuff for their bikes, I make monthly payments to my dealer for just a set of $400 leathers.
Now, with my tax return, the largest I have ever had (4 times greater then anything I got back during clinton and twice as much as last year), I will be able to pay off a few bills, make a few improvements on my home, get stuff for my bike and still have a little bit left over to help my daughter, my grand daughter and her future husband get their first home. All while still making $27,000 less then I did in '95. Hell, I'm might even get my first RAISE in seven years!
In my case, I'd say my "house" is pretty well taken care of, thank you. I think my employees would agree.
Speaking of homes, though I refinanced a year and a half ago, I'm getting ready to do it again, cut eight years off my note and have lower payments. If you want to talk about economy, look at the manufacturer's index over the past ten years.
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posted February 17, 2003 07:48 AM
addison, it very much applies, while we spend billions on keeping soldiers here, I being one of them, we have people back home with now home, and no food. Families living out of an automobile... WTF are we thinking???? Why??? I know that we have a responsibility to find and punish the individuals that are responsible for terrorism in the world...but what about us protecting our borders, instead of the borders of every nation in the world that has asked??? why spend that much money when we could feed out own with it???
The longer we sit here, the more money that the us government spends...ever stop to think how much it costs to maintain a force here???
and example: I am in a heavy tank Brigade, in the 3rd Inf Div. each company has 14 tanks there are 3 companies in each battalion, our brigade consists of 2 Tanks battalions and 1 mech infantry battalion..every soldier here is tax exempt...we are pushing 90,000 people here, so that many people arent paying taxes right now..on top of that......to start 1 M1 tank takes 5 gallons of fuel, the army is paying almost 2 dollars a gallon
2x5=10x14=140x2=280
$2x5gallons=$10x14tanks per company=$140x2bn's=$280 just to start every tank in the BDE...that isnt keeping them running, that just fires the turbine so it can start and run....every motor for and M1 costs the army almost $1,000,000.00 We go through about 2 of them a month in this battalion alone. I was just issued new Thermal sights, at a total cost of $1,123,000...that was just ME...we had 4 other guys in this platoon alone get the same equipment..there are 5 other scout platoons in this BDE, that all got hte equipment as well...ya'll do that math I dont do numbers that large, it makes me sick....
My opinion, pull our soldiers out of every country around the world...let the terrorist countries destroy each other.....then when they come whining to the USA....tell them to FUK off....and if we are to go help the whiners out, then they need to pay for everything, the shipping of soldier and equipment to there, they need to provide the living space and trainig areas at THEIR expense. They need to foot the bill, and pay the wages of our soldiers......are we mercenaries...no of course not, but why do the people of the us have to pay to take care of everyone around the world???
KEEP THIS IN MIND.....THE NEXT TIME YOU PASS A HOMELESS PERSON....REMEMBER THAT YOU MONEY IS PAYING TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE OF KUWAIT, AND NUMEROUS COUNTRIES, WHILE THEY SLEEP IN THEIR SMALL PALACES, AND ARE WAITED ON BY SERVANTS....DONT THINK ITS LIKE THAT HERE...COME SEE FOR YOURSELF....KUWAIT IS ONE OF THE MOST WEALTHY COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD, AND WE HAVE SOLDIERS BEING SHOT HERE!!!
Am I bitter, yes, I was suppose to rotate home next onth as most of you well know. And as you also know that will not be happening....I do hope we do something here soon..wont be long and it will be 120 degrees during the day here, and tha tis gonna make it hard to fight a war.....Not to mention Kelly has caught rumor that she may be deployed in June...whats that mean....to me it means that I may not get to see the woman I love for over a year.....
And I ask you all.....WHY?????
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posted February 17, 2003 07:55 AM
Why are we in the Balkins and other such places as well?
Sorry to hear about Kelly, HDL. 
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posted February 17, 2003 08:11 AM
thanks Pastor....she and I have been talking, I may not make DG5 because of what is going on here..but she already has the reservations, so she and her g/f may come up ....she might as well, the cabin is paid for...I still ahve my fingers crossed that i make it though......
the balkans....Egypt....Korea....Kuwait.....South America....Asia....we have soldiers all over the world.....WHY?????
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posted February 17, 2003 09:15 AM
quote HDL: "My opinion, pull our soldiers out of every country around the world...let the terrorist countries destroy each other.....then when they come whining to the USA....tell them to FUK off....and if we are to go help the whiners out, then they need to pay for everything, the shipping of soldier and equipment to there, they need to provide the living space and trainig areas at THEIR expense. They need to foot the bill, and pay the wages of our soldiers..."
I couldn't agree with you more HDL, my wife feels that way too.
Just sick of all the flak the USA takes no matter what we try to do.
Lets take care of #1 for now.
And when the shit starts flying overseas, let France and Germany police it up.
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posted February 17, 2003 09:43 AM
Well, my problem here with Sadam is that the good ol' US helped him get where he is.
Long, long ago in a land far, far away (Iran) we supported a regime that was not particularly nice to his people (the King). But he wasn't a Communist so that's why we helped him out. Then the revolutionaries took over Iran and then had the Ayotolla to deal with. Now we had a government not happy with us because we supported the previous regeme.
Iran and Iraq got in a war and because we didn't like Iran we helped, oh, I don't know lemme guess - SADAM? Yep. How did we help him? Oh, I don't know, with weapons, maybe?
And in Afghanistan, let's see about that one...The Soviets for some God-awful reason thought they needed to be there, so we help the rebels. And let's see, what did we do there? Send weapons? Yep. So, who has them now? All those RPG's, all those missiles, guns etc. Yep. Bin Ladin and his boys. Well armed with leftovers, no doubt. Ooooh yeah. Where did they learn to fight? Where did they learn their military techniques? Where did they learn about guerrilla fighting? Hmmmm...lemme guess....
And it's just not about Sadam being a crackpot, either. Anyone remember Idi Amin? He was a nice, guy, wasn't he?
My problem here is that we are battling a creature of our own damned creation. We helped make Saddam what he is today.
My other problem is if we go in there it will not be a quick and dirty. They left Saddam the first time becaue there really wasn't anyone that could pick that country up and lead it. It would have been chaos and the Arabs would have been really pissed at us. We're looking at having to do it again. But now we're looking like we'll need to occupy Iraq and that will be no fun either.
The folks that have lined up to take over after Sadam is gone don't want us there. They don't mind if we do their dirty work - as long as we get the hell out of there.
Yeah, Haiti was a big success story as well, wasn't it?
My point is that I agree with HDL. It costs a fortune to keep a military running with all the latest toys. We should use them only when we really, really need to.
And fuck the French. Sorry bastards are ingrates. They knew what Hitler was up to and rolled over and let us do their dirty work. They probably don't want us in Iraq because they have been doing business with him.
And what thanks do we get?
I'm torn between just nukin' the shit out of Iraq and taking it over - fuck 'em, or just let Saddam go nuts. Who cares if he kills his own people? There's a bunch of that going on in the world.
Here's what we need to do: annex Canada. Hell, you are almost another state anyway. Then, we'll take over Latin America (again). Fuck Saddam. We don't need his oil. We'll have all the natural resources we need to keep to ourselves. We get most of our oil from Mexico and Venezualea anyway. Push hydrogen fuel and let the oil companys run it. They have a distribution network already.
Keep Russia in our hip pockets so they don't side with China. Maybe not take them over, but be nice to them. They got what we need.
Sorry, boys, Israel will have to stand on their own. You want that piece of desert so bad, have at it. Otherwise, there's a nice piece of desert in New Mexico that looks about the same we'll let you have...
Isolationist, you bet. We'll be keeping an eye on you folks overseas, but if you can come get us, we'll keep your ass in check. We have a whole hemisphere that's ours. Stay in your yard, we'll stay in ours.
We REALLY need to be keeping our eye on North Korea and China. Those are really the sleeping giants. We can find big trouble real quick with them.
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posted February 17, 2003 09:58 AM
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And fuck the French. Sorry bastards are ingrates. They knew what Hitler was up to and rolled over and let us do their dirty work. They probably don't want us in Iraq because they have been doing business with him.
And what thanks do we get?
now this is something liberals and conservatives can agree on..lol 
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posted February 17, 2003 10:25 AM
"Long, long ago in a land far, far away (Iran) we supported a regime that was not particularly nice to his people (the King). But he wasn't a Communist so that's why we helped him out. Then the revolutionaries took over Iran and then had the Ayotolla to deal with. Now we had a government not happy with us because we supported the previous regeme.
Iran and Iraq got in a war and because we didn't like Iran we helped, oh, I don't know lemme guess - SADAM? Yep. How did we help him? Oh, I don't know, with weapons, maybe?
And in Afghanistan, let's see about that one...The Soviets for some God-awful reason thought they needed to be there, so we help the rebels. And let's see, what did we do there? Send weapons? Yep. So, who has them now? All those RPG's, all those missiles, guns etc. Yep. Bin Ladin and his boys. Well armed with leftovers, no doubt. Ooooh yeah. Where did they learn to fight? Where did they learn their military techniques? Where did they learn about guerrilla fighting? Hmmmm...lemme guess....
And it's just not about Sadam being a crackpot, either. Anyone remember Idi Amin? He was a nice, guy, wasn't he?
My problem here is that we are battling a creature of our own damned creation. We helped make Saddam what he is today. "
What you say is true Jon, but times change and because of that, we have to change too.
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posted February 17, 2003 11:59 AM
My point here is that if we didn't stick our nose where it doesn't necessarily belong we wouldn't have to worry about changing with the times and changing alliances.
Those that we have helped in the past are now sticking a knife in our back - and with some of our weapons and knowledge.
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posted February 17, 2003 12:24 PM
I agree with that brother. If I had my way I'd side with HDL. Close the borders, stop all financial aid to other countries (most of it goes to corrupt politicans in thise countries anyway) and watch others self destruct.
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posted February 17, 2003 03:37 PM
you forget though, we can't really do that. our economy and our wellbeing relies on not just our own stuff, but much of the rest of thw world.
if we shut the borders, ignore the world etc, it WILL bite us in the posterior.
we tried isolationist a few years back, it got us pearl harbour and a bunch of other crap.
oh as far as the peace loving demonstrators for peace, excercisig their first ammendment rights to protest, and USING the freedom protected by the USA, and by our friends like HDL.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/030217/168/3aggk.html
i hope that guy has something bad happen to him. really, i do.
"i hate the USA" "but im gonna stay here and use the resources they give me" *&*&*ING hypocrite.
  
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posted February 17, 2003 05:25 PM
First of all Elk the number of protesters is a reflection of what happens when there is one real Super Power. A Super Power that has the ideals of freedom, democracy and the freedom to protest. i.e. the United States of America. Had a America taken the position all of these protesters want, we would be speaking German, Russian and or Chineese. Instead the people of Germany, Russia and even China to some extent are able to assemble and protest. As slug stated above they do so under the freedom they have that is protected by the USA.
It is annoying to see this crap around the world. But when you factor in all of the liberal media, the fact that television thrives on protests and Hollywood likes to play the games of making billions portraying violence and then run around being anti-war is not suprising.
As for saying the president is doing this to hide the bad economy, what a crock and insult. Anyone so stupid as to not see the economy because of the war is probably so stupid that they don't make enough money to pay taxes or vote. How many people have to die or be tortured for people to care. Is this a racial or culture issue? We have watched dictators murder Millions of Africans, Chineese, Arabs, Muslims, Jews and other people of color and ethnicity. And the world turns it head. The very liberals and zealots that will sink ships to protect the whales, boobie trap logging equipment that kills loggers in order to save trees, set traps to kill off road motorcyclists and ATVers to save the turtle, etc. etc. want us to stand by while men, women and children are tortured, mutilated, killed and exterminated as if they were insects. The Taliban were as anti-women as any organization or government on the planet but NOW was against us liberating these people.
I am frustrated on how long we have taken to build up in prep for a possible attack. But let us not forget the prep and time taken to prepare for Desert Storm. The loss of American life in Dessert Storm was below the average of a Peace time Army as a result. We owe to our troups to be prepared and committed.
Last I would point out that much of what has happened in our preperation and posturing has also involved trying to pursuade Saddam to resign or leave. The idea has been to put preasure on him, show the inevitible demise of him based on our overwhelming military superiority etc. Combined with a united front he was likely to go off in exile. He may be a nut, but in reality he is a thug and most thugs are ultimately cowards. The protesters have given him a shot in the arm of courage and conviction. They have also made it more difficult for anyone to successfully remove him from power. In the TV rating games such a peaceful and or qick and decisive coup would have been bad for ratings.
I would suggest those that honestly think the President is doing this for anything other then for the purpose of destroying an enemy of our country, a huge supporter of terrorism and all around bad guy you folks need to look in your closets, under the house, under the bed and in the atic because the boogie man is really out there!  Not everyone is willing to bomb an asprin factory to cover up a BJ in the White House. Like it was the first one eo ever occur in the White House!!
Having experience a War in which the protesters received more press and accalades then the soldier I can tell it is a demoralizing situation. The men and women over seas are fed the information that the press want them to see. We owe it to HDL, Bean and the others to make sure they understand that we are committed, 100% supportive and ready to dig in with them. I want then to know that I am with them. I am willing to stand a post, pack ammo, or what ever it takes so they do not experience what Viet Nam Vets did and still do.
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posted February 17, 2003 09:00 PM
Bravo Z!!.....Well said.
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posted February 17, 2003 09:15 PM
Thanks Z, well said..I would share a foxhole with ya anyday, lets just hope it doesnt come to that....
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posted February 18, 2003 06:03 AM
February 18, 2003 -- Awhole bunch of people, here in New York and worldwide, demonstrated Saturday in favor of keeping a genocidal maniac, Saddam Hussein, in power.
They didn't put it that way of course.
They were for "peace" - at least those who weren't protesting globalization, "racism," Mike Bloomberg's budget, George Pataki's budget, the president's pronunciation or Mumia the Cop-Killer's continued incarceration:
"Hey, Hey,
"Ho, Ho;
"All bad things,
"Have got to go!"
Except for Saddam, of course.
He gets a pass, while the demonstrators' placards compared President Bush to Adolf Hitler - and called America a "terrorist state."
Objectively, they were arguing against the liberation of Iraq - while claiming to care about the Iraqi people.
What perfect bad faith.
After all, neither Saddam's documented mass killings of Iraqi civilians nor his continuing brutality against his own people - the dissidents tortured with electric shocks, the children raped in front of their parents - ever provoked rallies like this.
And you didn't see any of the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi exiles chanting or banging on drums outside the U.N. building. Because no one in the "peace movement" ever talks about or to the one-sixth of the Iraqi population that lives in exile.
For these people, Iraqis are only real or worth caring about as fantasy victims of an evil America.
This is bigotry, pure and simple.
It's bigotry against America, and it is bigotry against the people of Iraq - who are assumed not to deserve the freedoms that Americans take for granted.
Now, some of these people who demonstrated on Saturday may genuinely, if foolishly, believe that nothing is worse than war.
There are in fact many things worse than war: things that the United States has fought against - like slavery and tyranny.
But it's all too telling that none of the demonstrators carried posters calling for Saddam to prevent war. Which he could easily do by obeying each of the 17 U.N. resolutions aimed at his despicable regime, disarming and going into exile.
And if there were to be no war - if the Bush and Blair administrations should back down, and Saddam's newly strengthened regime should stay in power for another 10 or 20, years - then the "not in our name" crowd will have the blood of his future victims on their hands.
Not to mention the victims of the rogue states and brutal dictatorships that will be encouraged by his victory, or the victims of terrorists armed with Iraqi-supplied weapons of mass destruction.
What the demonstrators should have had on their banners were the things they were really calling for:
* No interference with Saddam's torture chambers!
* Let Saddam have the weapons he wants!
* Death to Israel!
* Crush the Kurds! Slaughter the Iraqi Shiites!
* Poison gas, deadly germs and nuclear weapons for terrorist groups!
It would be ugly.
But it would be honest.
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posted February 18, 2003 07:54 AM
Hell, I'm pissed at everybody. Nobody here is innocent or the 'good guy' in my book, except for the troops out there. They are following orders and I really do respect their sacrifices so I can have a cushy job and be a member of the small minority of rich honkeys (many of us, compared to the rest of the world, are very rich).
The politicians - all of them. Clinton and Bush and Bush, too. They created this guy, now it's time to take him out. This is what happens when zealots meddle in world affairs (Saddam was created out of extreme hatred of communism). Now extreme Muzlums hate us because we are so meddlesome - so we have to meddle some more to protect ourselves, which makes us even more meddlesome etc. ad infinitum, ad nauseum.
The protesters are a bunch of hypocrites. Don't blame the soldiers. If you want to blame anybody blame the politicians (who we supposedly elect). And vote the fookers out.
In some ways America is a terrorist state since we have supported some unsavory characters in the name of defeating Communism and other enemies. If we all stop beating our chests for a minute and think about the effects of policy on PEOPLE it's kinda apparant.
Now, that does not excuse these hypocritical arseholes from saying what they think.
Who was it that said, "I don't agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it?" If we squash those dumbasses from protesting then that destroys what makes America so friggin awesome.
And, if we do go in to Iraq by ourselves, that makes us no better than many of the other 'rogue' states that don't conform to world opinion. Like it or not (and I don't).
Pearl Harbor was coming anyway. Even though we had signed isolationist and neutrality treaties, we were violating them anyway by shipping equipment, guns, and other support to our allies. No wonder they bombed our freighters - I would, too, if someone who had claimed neutrality was actually helping my enemies. Yep - learned that on the History channel - and if it's on TV I know it's true.
This is just ugly all the way around. And the real ironic thing is it's our owned damned fault. And now our boys will pay the ultimate price for the meddling of fat mo fo's in big leather chairs in Washington.
Bastards, all.
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posted February 18, 2003 08:07 AM
Bush isn't waggin his dog any more than Clinton did. You really think Clinton was picking targets? You really think Clinton bombed an aspirin factory because Monica got a cigar greasy?
That makes about as much sense as Bush doing this to deflect attention from the economy.
Hell, Clinton and Bush (too) are both just as capable at being arse holes - think about what you gotta do to BE president these days...I wouldn't put anything past either one of them.
What about North Korea? They are more dangerous than Sadam. If they launch an attack Seol is right across the border - and the South Korean don't appreciate our rhetoric, either. THEY are the ones who will get bombed - not us.
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posted February 18, 2003 08:31 AM
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Jonwright i agreed with you... but now Our friends soldiers are there ...
Hope the best for them..
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posted February 18, 2003 08:36 AM
jon..... one battle at a time when possible. And if I were doing the talking for the United States now would be a time to work some diplomacy with the Chinese. I would remind China about the advantages of favored nation status, the ability to export goods to the United States etc. I would also expect other countries like England, France and Germany to have the same conversation with them. China could then exercise their influence on North Korea and likely shut there program down. If not it would appear that North Korea is likely to be a target. If I understand what you are saying we should do nothing? Is that even logical?
They are another example of a brutal dictatorship that can't be trusted. I would just ask that we don't rebuild them afterwards.
You honestly believe that Clinton had nothing to do with bombing that aspirin factory? You don't believe that he asked for a target? I don't believe for a minute that he knew it was an aspirin factory. But he needed a distraction and got one. And his distraction worked on you. You still think that this is about a BJ in the White House. The Monica issue was not about sex it was about breaking the law. The Highest ranking government official in the land, the man who nominates and appoints judges and the attorney general, an attorney himself committed perjury under oath. He perjured himself in a sexual harrasment case. A situation that would have put you or I in jail. He has a long history of being a womanizer and the charges were in character with his past behavior. He used his power and influence as a governor and the president to accomplish his games. That is sexual harrasment and perjury for us normal folks. So don't confuse that with sex with Monica.
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posted February 18, 2003 08:42 AM
North Korea wont do anything, they are using the events in the middle east to puff up their chests and make a lot of noise.....North Korea does however have the potential to be quite a erious threat, for an initial invasion into south Korea...they do NOT however have the ability to finance a lenghty war with anyone, unless the Chinese join in.
In anycase...the North Koreans are woofin shit right now, knowing that we are preoccupied over here...but we still have soldiers there, so he will stand at bay on his side of the DMZ, and beat his chest like a cock rooster....imo
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posted February 18, 2003 02:59 PM
Z, China absolutely is a big concern. We need to be very careful that we don't alienate them in dealing with N Korea. We need them as much as they need us (in fact, they may not really need us that badly).
I don't think they want trouble any more than we do. But if it came right down to it, I'm not sure we'd be able to blast 'em. HDL, you'd weigh heavy on your opinion on this, but I'd suspect a land war with them would degenerate real quick into nuclear lobbings. And be particularly distasteful. Neither country would come out well. That was essentially what kept the US and USSR in check.
My point is that I don't trust EITHER Bush(es) NOR Clinton. I haven't bought anything.
If you believe Clinton busted an aspirin factory to distract the public then you are just as gullable as the person who believes Bush (too) is doing this to distract from the economy. And don't take that as an apology for Clinton's perjury. It's quite the contrary.
Hell, Clinton would have been better off pulling the Reagan "I don't recall" bit in Iran-Contra.
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posted February 19, 2003 04:29 AM
I Blame the Brits!
I blame the british, they just leave one shitty mess after another. Palestine, Kuwait, Northern Ireland, the list is endless. When they protest in those kinds of numbers it's usually over the banning of fox hunting. NATO is fucked, France/Germany protests are just a smoke screen to desolve NATO. There will be a new European defence accord and the brits as usual will sit on the fence. 25000 American soldiers have passed through one of our airports on refuelling stops and we're supposed to be neutral. My advice, just fuckin nuk'em and get it over and done with, then take on Nth Korea and then we'll watch the rockets fly over us and hope they don't fall out of the sky. I know Americans think that Tony Blair is a great guy but his own people think he's a muppet!. Remember, all it takes is one idiot!.
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