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posted February 16, 2003 04:57 AM
Best pic of the French and Germans at the UN
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posted February 16, 2003 05:08 AM
lmfao...that is too dam funny, but trueeeeeeeeeeeee.....lol
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posted February 16, 2003 07:28 AM
Thats too funny....
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posted February 16, 2003 07:38 AM
I like that one! LOL 
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posted February 16, 2003 11:43 AM
From what I've seen, that was the ACTUAL front page. I'd almost "kill" to get a copy of it.
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posted February 16, 2003 12:23 PM
Germany is just saving their military resources to invade France again, arent they overdue? I thought they were under contract to invade every 40 or so years.
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posted February 16, 2003 12:35 PM
yeppers its about time......then they will be begging us again to come save them.....and I would just have to sit back and say nope.....deal with it....lmao
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posted February 16, 2003 12:40 PM
tell them we'll send some inspectors to check out the situation, if they find no germans we wont do anything ;-)
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posted February 16, 2003 07:56 PM
what? only two weasels at the U.N.? 
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posted February 16, 2003 08:07 PM
A truer picture would be harder to find.
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posted February 17, 2003 07:49 PM
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Bunch of Ignorants peoples .
Isn't it great Not to have war.."
I realy hope that you'll remember how nero minded you were at a time like that.
None of you i'm sure knoes why are we there?
BTW tell that to the thouwsands of french soldiers who died to free up your country from England..
Tell that also to the french foreign legions who went to direct and help Americans in the Golf war..
There are so many things that you don't even know..
Yes you are in a free country were the gouvernement lies and hide so many from there citizens..
At list Those countries like Germany, belgium or France stand up and show what is Freedom..
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posted February 17, 2003 07:56 PM
Edited By: GOZR on 17 Feb 2003 20:12
Since when The US won a War Alone?
Tell me when...?
Why misery and famine still today an every day for so many peoples in the u.s
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posted February 17, 2003 08:00 PM
Edited By: GOZR on 17 Feb 2003 20:17
Tell me why the social system is retarded, Why the hospital system is so bad , tell me why your school are so bad, tell me why your car are still using old technologies, tell me why many of your system TV, electricity and i pass so many are retarded tell me why so many French and german own so many of your banks and factories.
tell me tell me why so many cities have french names? why so many car have french name ? tell me why in your own laws you adopted napoleon laws and human rights?
Tell me why so many peoples have french names here? tell me what is cadillac? who founded GM, tell me why the statue of liberty who reprent the freedom in your country is French and her name is marianne.. tell me why ?...Tell me why it touk you 2 years before you react to the atrocities in Europe included England ? Millions of peoples have died already
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posted February 17, 2003 08:01 PM
Thank you for showing the people here that this is and INTERNATIONAL site and we have more than one viewpoint GOZR. I try to do that but Canada is often ignored as a country.
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posted February 17, 2003 08:06 PM
If it wasn't for us you'll still be shooting guns in the middle of the street and play with cows and probably would of surender to the Brits ..
So stop to Pushing down things you don't know..
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posted February 17, 2003 08:06 PM
Agreed Fish_antlers
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posted February 17, 2003 08:30 PM
Just a small bref history page to show you..
Massacre of White settlers in Algiers
A protest by thousands of White French settlers in Algiers on 7 April 1962, ended when French Arab troops opened fire with live ammunition: some 50 White men, women and children were killed in the street. After this massacre, the handover process was quickly concluded: the non-White Algerian nationalists managed to kill another 3,000 French White settlers before the vast majority - nearly a million - left for France, stripping the country virtually overnight of its First World population and plunging it instantly into Third World status.
Above: The massacre of White French civilians on the streets of Algiers by Arab soldiers on 7 April 1962. Fifty Whites were gunned down during a protest rally.
ALGERIANS FLOOD INTO FRANCE
Algeria has however come back to haunt France: millions of North Africans have settled in France, bringing with them a mix of militant Islam and ethnic conflict which spills over from Algeria in ever increasing waves. The full implications of this and other developments are discussed in the last chapter of this book.
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posted February 17, 2003 08:48 PM
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ANother one for you all..
The warfare in the Middle Atlantic region settled almost to stagnation, but foreign aid was finally arriving. Agents of the new nation—notably Benjamin Franklin, Arthur Lee, Silas Deane, and later John Adams—were striving to get help, and in 1777 Pierre de Beaumarchais had succeeded in getting arms and supplies sent to the colonials in time to help win the battle of Saratoga. That victory made it easier for France to enter upon an alliance with the United States, for which Franklin and the comte de Vergennes (the French foreign minister) signed (1778) a treaty. Spain entered the war against Great Britain in 1779, but Spanish help did little for the United States, while French soldiers and sailors, supplies and money were of crucial importance...
Now the French aid counted greatly, for Lafayette with colonial troops held the British in check, and it was a Franco-American force that Washington and the comte de Rochambeau led from New York S to Virginia. The French fleet under Admiral de Grasse played the decisive part.
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posted February 17, 2003 08:53 PM
Go drink some more wine and relax GOZR. Using your logic GOZR I guess all of us should really kiss the ass of the middle east and northern africa becasue if you believe evolution we all came from there. As for berating our government as being so secretive and bad sounds like the pot calling the kettle black.
And if you honestly believe that had the US not stood in the way of the Soviet Union that the French would have stop them I have a bridge to sell you. The reality is the French are not a Super Power. They have been allowed to act as one because America gave them the bomb and have stood there protecting them. In World War II America could have set on their hands. They didn't, instead she sent thousands of boys to die in France liberating a country that has basically told us to Fuck off pretty much everyday since. I have travelled to France a number of times and find it important to not admit or acknowledge that I am American. Americans are treated rudely and charged more. The French that visit this country are typically treated politely, listened to with interest and pay the same for everything as everyone else.
Our Canadian friends to the North may differ with us on politics from time to time but there is mutual respect. And I can't honestly recall a time or a war that the Canadians ran from or surrender as a result of. France could have kicked Hitlers ass in the beginning but they chose to drink wine and eat cheese. Kind of like they want to do now. Hitler was a joke in the 30's. They ignored him and he smoked them. The French surrendered, handed over their country, their women and their Jews. As is the case in most countries there were in fact some brave and proud people in France that did resist. But the fact is the country as a whole laid down. Why did the Russians win and the French lose? Certainly the Russian winters were harsh but the Russian people were even harsher. They didn't quit. They fought the German war machine with sticks and rocks and eventually their determination and bravery won out.
The problem these days is this kiss ass attitude is even more dangerous today. A Nuclear and or a biological weapon is not something to smirk at. Let's be real here, The French are afraid that upon our arrival in Bagdad it will be revealed that they have sold Saddam the technology for weapons of mass destruction.
It is time to get past the little kid stuff about you can't hit someone unless they hit you first. Try that technique with Mike Tyson. Let him have a free shot on you and see if you even wake up. If he chooses his shot you will be dead. The same goes for the people that will die as a result of a nuke or a biological weapon.
This country is a melting pot of pretty much every country in the world. And our customs, laws, many of our words, etc come from various countries. If you are now claiming then the French are responsible for our Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, Bill of Rights etc. it is true that our forefathers watched countries like France have Kings and Queens, dictators, emporers etc. screw it's people. And they said not here.
Regarding the Fench helping us against the English. They did help us. They hated the English and could not take them on face to face. So they helped us. Of course they were also trying to protect the pieces of North America that they had claim on. Had the British maintained control they would have taken all of North America and chased the French back to Europe. Instead the French helped and kept the land until we purchased it from them.
And in this country we are taught and it is acknowledged in school that the French did help us. But rest assured more Americas died at Normandy then all of the French lives lost in helping America. And lets not forget we did accomplish something that the French couldn't do. We beat the British war machine and sent them back to England.
There is no question about the French soldiers heart. There is certainly a question about the country's government.
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posted February 17, 2003 08:56 PM
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The Treaty of Paris 1783
By the Treaty of Paris of Sept. 3, 1783, Great Britain formally acknowledged the independence of the United States, and the warring European powers, Britain against France and Spain, with the Dutch as armed neutrals, effected a large-scale peace settlement. The preliminary Anglo-American articles (which went unchanged) were signed on Nov. 30, 1782, after months of tortuous negotiations, in which the chief American plenipotentiaries, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, and John Jay, acquitted themselves so well that their achievement has been labeled the greatest triumph in the history of American diplomacy.
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posted February 17, 2003 09:01 PM
hmmmmm few questions for you all:
1. When has ANY country won a war on its own?
2. What country NOW can enter a war ALONE, and win?
3. What country would want to enter a war ALONE and win?
4. What country hasnt suffer at the hands of others?
5. What country can suffer in the future of others?
answers: 1. NONE 2. the US 3. NONE 4. NONE 5. ANY
think about it....the US could steam roll any country here in the middle east, and win any conventional war, hell they could win any unconventional war...but nobody wants to think of about the repricussions of that one. AM I baised, prolly so, but I truely believe that after having trained with the Austrailians, and the Tai's, and Malaysians, and Koreans, and the Japanese. I have also trained the Panamanians, Guamanins, and a few places best not listed here.....having seen that I am confident that the US, without its hands tied, is in no real threat from anyone in the world, except maybe the Chinese...and only because they out number us like 10 to 1....but I dont hink that their economy will support a lenghty war with anyone either......
Oh an GOZR..thank your fellow country man for helping us with our independence......and then make sure they thank my fellow countryman for maintaining theirs ever since......
Lets see what this score is France helped us in the Civil war, we bailed them out in WW1, and WW2, and as for the french participation in the Gulf?? or what about Vietnam??? how many troops did you send??? how many did the US send??? Hey what happened to the French in Korea??? can you say got their ass whoooped...if you would like I can start nameimg battles and places...how about the battle of the Marne, where the AMERICANS had to keep the Germans from advancing.....how about Muese Argon??? I guess you get the point right.....the US cant do everything alone...so how about helping us to keep Saddam out of your back yard.....he will look for targets of oppritunity sooner or later, and gee France just might be it.....never know.....
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posted February 17, 2003 09:01 PM
And as I stated above France still maintained their holdings as a result of this.
By the way the French judge screwed the Canadians!! 
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posted February 17, 2003 09:02 PM
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Zhooligan are you for real?
( The map of the world showed that place you know as Vietnam as French Indo-China. This was a French colony for many years. The Vietnamese sought independence and were at war with the French for close on 20 years before the French cut their losses and withdrew....Some of the battles with the French have become text book compulsory reading at most Military Colleges throughout the world. These historical events so clearly portrayed the Vietnamese to be determined and resourceful. This was not a race to "Tangle" with and of course they do not carry western values so there methods of fighting were vicious and very unorthodox. This is why this specific history needed to be learnt within any military organisation.)
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posted February 17, 2003 10:01 PM
Let's be a little more current, shall we? How the french doing with their "diplomatic efforts" in the Ivory Coast these days?
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posted February 17, 2003 10:05 PM
Yes and I do have a degree in History. I didn't fall out of the tree yesterday. And my heritage is Scottish, Irish, German and French. No particular order.
You keep missing or choose to ignore the point regarding Frances involvement in the United States fight for Independence. France helped usbecause they could not beat the British straight up. By helping us they got to stay in North America. Trade with North America etc. The British were the enemy of France. And as the United States has done France enabled the small up and comer to battle with their enemy. Kind of like what occurred in Afghanistan with the Russians and the Taliban. In this case we Americans turned out better then the Taliban. Although there are certainly some out there that would argue that point.
The Louisiana Purchase came as a result of a number of things. The French had suffered a revolt in Haiti and the pending war with the British loomed in the future. President Jefferson made it clear that if France attempted to take control of New Orleans that the United States would align itself with England. Faced with a war with both the young United States and England did not appeal to Napolean. So he sold the land. So again I would point out Frances involvement in our war for Independence was as much for themselves as us. We entered the war against Germany with honest and noble intentions. We did not enhance or widen our empire as a result. We did not open up any additional avenues for trade and or commerece. We merely went to war and played an enormous part in the eventual victory. When the War was over we went home and went back to work. Oh yeah we loaned huge piles of cash to France, Germany and other European countries devestated by the war. And for the record we have not been paid back for those loans.
HDL said it clear enough above as well. Know one wants to go it alone in a war. It is nice to have your friends and allies be there. But someone has to make a decission. And if we wait much longer there will a lot of people dieing at the wrong end of French and Russian weapons.
Seriously, I would be interested to find out some information. As I stated above our history books and various monuments etc. in country do acknowledge France for it's help. Can you say the same about France? I don't honestly know the answer to this question.
The funny thing about this is if France were attacked tomorrow by a foreign power, the United States would be first in line to turn that country into a grease spot.
Kind of reminds me of an old Saturday Night Live routine.
A man setting in a French bar orders a drink, the bartender asks him "Are you American?" the man replies "Yes" the bartender then responds "You are so stupid".
Just imagine what France would be like if it had to spend it's money on the protection and weapons we Americans provide to protect France. If France is ready to protect the world without taking it over then come on. I would love to see our defense dollars spent on Heath Care, education, roads etc. As for our education system, health care etc. I didn't realize how perfect France was. Somehow we manage here. We seem to have some capacity for technology. We managed to put a man on the moon, orbit the earth and yes we lost some brave folks a little over a week ago coming home from space. We taught the world how to make cars, and after the War we built and financed the factories in Japan and Germany that compete with us now.
I do have say that France does have a better handle on lawsuits. And as a consequence it doesn't spend all of it's resources on bullshit lawsuits.
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