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posted February 06, 2003 11:51 AM
We all say alot of things, we all have our own opinions. I tend to agree 100% with Vince, Bart and Sherman (remember I made you a pastor). My thing is there is enough hate in the world without some Idiot using our forum as a soap box. Ass holes come in all races, Bart is a very cool guy, as are the guys he rides with. They didn't treat me different. like ohhh he's a black guy. Thats what real people do, they base friendship on the person, not the wrapper. If your a person that has a problem with the race or gender of a person. And haven't taken the time to know the person, they don't have the problem you do. I have friends from all walks of life. From persons on death row here in Illinois to engineers for Chrysler in Michigan. To my friends here when the board started. So if there is a person rooting against Americans in the Middle East. Fuck You, rooting against people of different races Fuck you. Be man enough to stand up on your own.
  
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posted February 06, 2003 11:55 AM
Anyways.... without me having to categorically list every historical event in this thread.... I believe the point I was trying to make earlier (although be it phrased in a passionate manor) was that the OPPOSITE of what Megabyte said earlier is infact factually correct....
But enough of that.... yes HDL the thread has changed.. funny how that happens.... but if you perhaps note my colorful response to Megabyte (and remember that I support you guys over there) then everyone here has to wonder what OTHER people in the rest of the world think about the US.. .it's a big world out there...
anyways.... I have to go back to werk...
and BTW Vince.... I have many stories about that.. .my old neighbor was a black man who served in WW2..
Canada doesn't need "rescuing" from the USA.... in case you guys haven't noticed we aren't invading other countries etc... we generally leave people alone.
That's just fine with me! 
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posted February 06, 2003 12:12 PM
 Edited By: Otis on 6 Feb 2003 12:14
Otis, I am aware of the "UN Resolution" Just like now. You are saying that Jr. Has Bigger ones?
Bigger what? Balls? He doesn't need them Vincent. He already has the resolution signed unanimously 1441. It calls for the use of military force to disarm saddam if there is a material breach, which there obviously has been. I thought the same thing back in 91' Go get em' George, screw the UN, but he was honorable and didn't. Now Jr. has the resolution he needs but still the dems and the anti nuts are now requesting ANOTHER one! Screw that.
I respect the tone fo this thread, it's not inflamatory, and it's obvious that some of us disagree and that's OK, it's a free country. I am just getting soooooooooo tired of the anti American voices in the Media, in Hollyweird, in Colleges (ie: Professors) etc. and I'm not talking about NON American voices. That's sad, I'm sure my grandfather is rolling over in his grave at the likes of Barbara Striesand and Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins and Sean Penn and on and on and on.
Anyway, I respect you Vincent, I've always wanted to meet you if I ever get to Fla. You seem like a real nice fella and a straight shooter and if you ask others here who know me, they'll say the same. Well, maybe not ninjaredneck and Bart, they're gay.
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posted February 06, 2003 12:21 PM
ah.... now the gay talk begins!!!!
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posted February 06, 2003 01:09 PM
Yes, and Many Americans voluntarily went to Canada & England to fight Hitler before the first 9/11 (Dec 7, 1941.)
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Otis, I am aware of the "UN Resolution" Just like now. You are saying that Jr. Has Bigger ones?
Fish, I forgot to add something "Very Important" about Canada. When WWII Broke out, The RCAF took Black men and trained them to be fighter pilots, when in the USA, they were refused. When the Famous "RED Tails" Black Fighter Squadron was formed, it first consisted of Black Airman that came back from Canada and trained the Black Fighter pilots over here. This air group was famous for one thing "They Never Lost a SINGLE Bomber when they were flying cover" If it had not been for the "Progressive" Canadians, who knows how long it would have been before Black Americans would have been allowed to fly Fighters?
Did I mention that the "End" of the "Under Ground" Rail way that smuggled Slaves out of the south to Freedom, ended in "Canada"! I personally thank God for the Canadians, you will never find me saying anything against the "Country" , maybe a few Citizens I heard that a few of them run Boards that we post on Bikeland and ZX12R.Org!
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posted February 06, 2003 02:46 PM
Edited By: Megabyte on 6 Feb 2003 15:09
Fish,
I don't like the direction this dialogue is taking. I have many Canadian friends, and have visted them in Canada frequently over the years, and harbor no ill will or hard feelings toward my Norther Neighbor. My best friend from college lives in Cologna, and I was there for his marriage last summer. I just know that Americans would and have fought and died to keep this continent and this world free, and I guess we don't ask for any thanks, but we atleast don't want to get kicked in to face for it.
Do you really believe Canada or the world could have stopped Hitler and Japan w/o the US?
America: The Good Neighbor (GREAT editorial from CANADIAN newspaper)
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Posted on 09/12/2001 9:27 AM PDT by hawaiian
This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing. America: The Good Neighbor.
Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television Commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record:
"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts.
None of these countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States. When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.
When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped. The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans.
I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane.
Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10?
If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon - not once, but several times - and safely home again.
You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here.
When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke.
I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.
Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those."
Stand proud, America! Wear it proudly!!
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posted February 06, 2003 05:52 PM
Hang on megabyte... you said that the US had saved "Canada's bacon at least twice" ... You are changing the subject by posting an old news stiry that we have all read...
that wasnt my point and you know it...
no need to get testy as this is just a friendly little debate... but I would still like to know how the US has saved Canada's bacon...
maybe you guys EAT our bacon (as it is yummy) but you havent saved it... far from it...
perhaps once again, we should start with Dieppe.
Or maybe you would like to retract your former statement.
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posted February 06, 2003 06:47 PM
Fish,
The U.S. has saved Canada a ton of bacon. A recent poll indicated that slightly more than 70% of Canadians feel that your current military budget is not adequate. Canada has roughly 60,000 military personnel and it's military budget is 16th in the world.
I'm sure that your government has taken into account the fact that the U.S. would help out in any military action that threatens Canada. In that regards the U.S. is saving Canada lots of bacon!
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posted February 06, 2003 07:01 PM
Uh.... poll? We dont even HAVE a military... sheesh.. ya dont need a poll to find out about that!
That's still not the point.. we are talking about history here..
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posted February 06, 2003 08:10 PM
Otis, The neat thing on this board is that anyone can express themselves and not take a Whippin over it! I have no problem whithg what you say, and just as soon as I become Rich & WHite, I will be saying the exact same thing
Seriously, I will be in Daytona for the 1st 2 weeks of march. SOmewhere between the Hess Gas Station, Hooters and the Waffle House, you will know when you see my bike, High Handle Bars, Seat Back for my wife, and a Hindle Exhaust! If you see me, look for the Oldest Black Guy ridding a ZX12R. Maybe evening going real fast on I-95 toward Titusville! I will be staying off od SR 400 near Williamson and have friends that "Live" in New Smyrna Beach and the others are at KOA Just before rt 50 and I-95
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posted February 06, 2003 09:01 PM
hey Vince if ya go to the Hooters across from the track, look for a little redhead named Kelly, she had big tits and an ass that will make ya cry....pinch her ass and tell her its from Jim.....THEN DUCK.....lol
I like to see all the good hearted debate, maybe we need our politicians to use a dam message board, then maybe they could make some decisions, instead of sitting around making too much money for to little action....
America nad the world can no longer aloow terrorist like Saddam, nad ossama....now is a time for action, no is a time for retribution, now is the time for the world to right the wongs that have been so blatanly committed against it,....we have the people, we have the equipment, what we dont have is the dam politicians in agreement... Dont waste the taxpayers money any longer, dont waste the time of the soldiers that are here any longer.....
how does the old saying go..."shit or get off the pot"
and that is all I have to say about that.......
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posted February 07, 2003 04:00 AM
I may be white Vincent, but I'm certainly not rich. And to be honest, and this is the last thing I want to say on this thread. A person's color has NOTHING to do with this, nothing. Even if you were black and rich, or black and poor, or red and rich or poor. You should be interested getting this war over immediately. Let's take this guy out and be done with it already.
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Hells Dark Lord
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posted February 07, 2003 04:14 AM
2 weeks Otis, 2 weeks.......
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posted February 07, 2003 05:06 AM
I'll be thinking about ya HDL. Keep you're head down and kick some ass!!!!
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posted February 07, 2003 06:16 AM
Edited By: redelk on 7 Feb 2003 06:25
Fish... your NEXT on my list!
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VincentHill
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posted February 07, 2003 06:20 AM
Otis, we are OK and I am OK. I am referring to the fact that the 90+% of Republicans are not Black and and the ones that are usually have money. I know that a lot of Republicans are not rich, but if I was, I could better understand it. That is why we have 2 (or more) parties!
The Iraq problem, still should have been handled a long time ago!
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posted February 07, 2003 07:15 AM
"The Iraq problem, still should have been handled a long time ago!"
Amen to that.
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posted February 07, 2003 07:26 AM
Edited By: fish_antlers on 7 Feb 2003 08:03
Ya, but guys... this is the point that the "rest" of the werld sees and you guys dont.... there are WAY bigger fish to fry than Iraq... it's a waste of cash and manpower to be over there...
HDL is still sitting there.... dont you think he would be better suited standing by to take out N Korea .... hey... then while he's there he could move through CHina too... then up into Russia..
smoke New Zealand whilst yer at it... I never liked the aboriginals down there...
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posted February 07, 2003 07:43 AM
Aboriginal? Aboriginal? I am an aboriginal! 
(borrowed w/0 license from 'The Jerk')
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VincentHill
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posted February 07, 2003 09:51 AM
Fish, have you ever had a "Splinter"? A very small thing, specially compared to a Bullet wound, or Cancer. The problem is that it will continue to annoy you, start an infection and left unattended?? Do you see my / our point! When you do not take care of "little" things, they become Big things! Ask Clinton
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posted February 07, 2003 11:46 AM
Like I said last night, Fish, the answer is no. Our "moron" (as some Canooks refer to our president) has the "priorities" in their proper order.
As for assuming that Americans sole source of information come from our network and/or television brodcasts would be laughable if it wasn't so ignorant. Canadians or Germans or Japanese sources of information are as equally available to us here, when we put out the small effort to obtain them. Even a stupid American can access Al Jazeera, if they so wish.
Americans are the "original Doubting Thomas" and tend to question not only our own government's actions, but that of those countries around us. As for "world opinion", should I, as an American citizen, be concerned? As proven many times before, when the dust settles, the same countries that are the most outspoken are the first ones to say, "Yeah, we were with ya all along. Look at Turkey, Quatar and watch the French.
As for the French, it was once said... "Thank God for the French. They have always been there... when they needed us.".
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