wylde
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posted February 26, 2010 06:13 PM
data loggin ??
what are you guys using to tie into for a tach signal? tach wire,, injector,, coil???
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Whimp
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posted February 26, 2010 09:08 PM
I use a coil wire. ( Dynojet wideband unit)
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wylde
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posted February 26, 2010 09:22 PM
where do you tap into it? at the ECU,, coil? i tried to use the injector,, signal is great,, but they shut down on decel?
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KZScott
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posted February 27, 2010 05:38 PM
injector
add fuel to the 0% tps so they dont shut off. works for me....
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00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
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Whimp
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posted February 28, 2010 01:07 PM
Wylde, I tapped into the wire at the ECU.
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wylde
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posted March 01, 2010 01:22 PM
fuel at o percent where? the whole column?
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posted March 01, 2010 04:37 PM
come on man, this is the easy part  . whatever rpm you loose the signal at, add some fuel
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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wylde
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posted March 01, 2010 04:57 PM
well when im at 8-9K and let off they shut down,, and when im at 4-5 and let off they shut down,, so i guess i have to put something in the whole column? does that make sense,, i have been reading old posts on datalogging and you asked a bunch of questions when you first got into it,, so give me a break dude ,, im new to it as you once were,, remember..
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posted March 01, 2010 06:27 PM
I have values in most of my 0 column for another purpose, so i cant be sure if filling the whole thing is required,(i may have fuel added thats not required for a steady rpm signal)
the purpose being it dumps fuel in after a top end run to cool the pistons off. the side effect here is a strong rpm signal.
if i were you i would add say a 5 to the areas you notice the rpm cutting out and go from there, you may not need to fill the whole column. since you are running a pretty mild setup you dont really need to dump a bunch of fuel in every time you chop the throttle, just add as required
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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entropy
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posted March 01, 2010 10:58 PM
hmmmmm...
If you are tapping into the fuel injector signal out of the ecu but before the PC3r, I don't know how adding numbers to the PC3r would help.
I'm tapped into the injector wire out of the ECU and the only time i lose rpm signal is when i go to zero throttle position (no matter what rpm). But I don't really care what rpm the is doing when the throttle is completely chopped.
I am probably missing something???
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wylde
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posted March 02, 2010 04:14 PM
 Edited By: wylde on 3 Mar 2010 00:23
im tied into the injector an inch or two before the actual injector? what would that mean,, and Scott,, im a little lost on how i would notice or what it would look like on the graph itself,, i would send the file for review but your using the innovate stuff. entropy,, my Tach signal is fine,, its just the injectors shut down when i let off,, im gonna have to double check,, maybe i can take a snapshot and post it...?
UPDATE: after review of the last log file,, it appears that at anywhere on hard accelaration on about 6 occasions ranging from 6-10K RPM it will dive to the bottom of the graph chart basically not registering.. that is when let off the throttle totally,, SO ,, do you think if i loaded 5s into the 0 column from 5,500-10,000 that would cure it? im wondering if i would have this have tied into a coil coming out at the ECU,, ?
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tuusinii
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posted March 02, 2010 11:36 PM
Hello!
I've read this with interest as I'm planning on getting the Innovate setup in future as I get the ECU flashing thing ready. What is the reason to use injector? Is it just the easiest point to attach? Or dosen't the software allow use of crank sensor as it has 10 pulses per rotation? Why not mount to the cam sensor and multiply the the result by 2? Of course You lose some resolution with that... What is the reason You use injector? And as Entropy said You usually don't care what happens when You're at 0% throttle...
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shiggsy
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posted March 03, 2010 05:47 AM
I use Innovate stuff and I use the crank sensor for rpm. It will pick up the tach signal ok unlike a WegoII but you may as well log the crank sensor because if it plays up you'll see it. Beause it only has one tooth the Cam sensor doesn't generate enough of signal until its doing about 2000 rpm.
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wylde
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posted March 03, 2010 06:11 AM
Edited By: wylde on 3 Mar 2010 14:14
the reason i use the injector is that after reading multiple posts is that alot of people are using it as a CLEAN RPM signal.. (which it is) BUT,, i am having the injectors shut down at 0% throttle after reving high and letting it go.. YES it was a very easy wire to attach to,, and also if anyone knows,, WHY would the simple fact that i connected there cause this to happen? what is the casude of the injectors shutting down? didnt happen before?
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shiggsy
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posted March 03, 2010 11:01 AM
Check the post by Tearinitup near the bottom of page one.
http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=1&TID=3034
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wylde
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posted March 03, 2010 01:14 PM
just read it,,, are you saying the TPS needs adjusting? and if so why,, this was not happening when i didnt have a wire tied into the injector for a RPM reading ( or if it did i didnt notice) as the PCusb is also new to me,, if i run a zero map everything should revert back to the way it was when i didnt have a PC or a datalogger correct? and do you think i would notice this injector crap shutdown stuff?
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wylde
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posted March 03, 2010 01:37 PM
Edited By: wylde on 3 Mar 2010 21:46
hey Scott where did you tie in at? at the throttle body (just behind) there are a set of 5 wires,, i would imagine that 4 are for each injector and one is a ground for all of them ,, is that correct,, and if that is the case should i be going off the one ground or one of the regular injector wires?
i have a downloaded version of the shop manual,, and no matter how much i zoom i cant make out the color of the ground wire that is common to all four injectors.. maybe if i tie into that one instead of the actuall number 1 positive wire it might help,, what do you think?
also if anyone can let me know what color the common ground is for the injectors i would be appreciative.
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wylde
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posted March 03, 2010 06:49 PM
what is it that you guys are liking about the Innovate logger versus the Wego,, i know one thing for sure is the custom service,, they suck at Twin Tec,, that guy chris is a real piece of work,, but as far as the units themselves what was it that led you to the unit you are using right now?
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posted March 03, 2010 07:01 PM
i connected at the ecu
check to see if they are switched pos or switched neg. the coils are switched neg, meaning they allways have power, but fire when they are grounded
sample of one of my log files testing on a closed course 
Innovate. Doug Ray, and Karl said to  . the ACE boys use them too
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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wylde
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posted March 04, 2010 07:03 AM
Edited By: wylde on 4 Mar 2010 15:21
what do you think is wrong going on here?
see the lean spike and the injectors shutting down? or am i reading this wrong?
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wylde
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posted March 04, 2010 07:09 AM
Edited By: wylde on 4 Mar 2010 15:19
PS,, dont know if im reading yours wrongs Scott,, but it appears that the Purple spikes are your 5 shift points,, yet they are labeled A/F? is innovate that different that i am not understanding that graph? here is another,, this was first time out ever witht the Wego,, the one above was the last time out with first batch of adjustments,, notice the lean spikes?
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wylde
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posted March 04, 2010 07:23 AM
too bad The People at Wego dont have a forum like Innovate to get out and chat and pick brains of guys that have the same product.
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KZScott
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posted March 04, 2010 05:45 PM
the purple spikes are indeed shifts(air shifter) pretty much each time i shift, it goes pop, and reads lean as it burns all the gas in the pipes. (watch a drag race on u tube where they have a side winder and you can see the fire ball on shifts).
rpm is the black line, i highlighted it in that pic. you see the lean spike line up with the drop in rpm
you really need to get TPS on there to tell whats really going on, thats the green line on my log, i can only guess without it
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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wylde
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posted March 04, 2010 05:55 PM
if the purples are shifts how is there a A/F associated with them,, Hmmm the Innovate is quite different and as far as the RPM/Tach,, not understanding? oh well maybe someone else will chime in and answer up.. thanx anyway i was just asking what you saw in the pic
trying to find out if the injectors are showing shutting down and also trying to see if anyone else with logger know how might point me in the right direction as far as the lean spikes.
i can always tie into the coil and not have to worry about the injectors shutting down as they never did that before,, unless it has to do with the map im running,, but the lean spikes are my concern,, who knows,, the new Wego4 they sent out might cure it all! thanx again
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posted March 04, 2010 07:41 PM
my log file:
Black is RPM
Purple is AFR
Green is TPS
Blue is MPH
when i air shift(kills the coils for 63ms), it causes a lean spike. you can see the shift point at the spike and the resulting drop in rpm(same place in time on the log)
if you are going to try and tune a map you need 3 things and you only have 2, you have no idea where to change values if you dont have tps
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos
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