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posted August 04, 2008 09:35 PM
The OEM '02 and newer hub have different set of oil holes which are alot bigger than what Muzzy did and in a different place...
I dont have a lock up and warped steels is not really the problem, the size of the clutch plates and lack of oil is the problem...
KZ read the link above, hope it helps you!!!
I cannot say anything against Ryan Schnitz, Im a novice compared to him, but the clutch set up for him is not good for us!!!...I doubt he's getting more than 35 passes the way he rides the 12!!!
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KZScott
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posted August 05, 2008 02:49 PM
CR 6 "pen sized" holes? have a pic???
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posted August 05, 2008 03:01 PM
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I see more trouble out of the muzzy set up than any other.
this is my opinion on the matter of the Muzzy kit causing problems. i was just getting into this stuff last yr, and made lots of beginner mistakes, so i know what its like.
after reading the add for the kit you think "hey this thing is bullet proof, i can thrash on it all day and not hurt it" which would be true if the clutch wasnt so sensitive to proper stack height. not having the proper stack height wears the puller funny, and is accelerated by 3 HD springs, and pretty soon you burn it up as its lower than the servise limit(thinking you arent hurting anything). if you correct the stack height problem right off the get go, you can thrash on it all you want. or that was my personal expirience anyway
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted August 05, 2008 04:11 PM
that has always been my problem with muzzys, not enough support, its always your fault. If they had things set up better, and took care of their customers more, they would be better off.
Every time I tried talking to them, at a race, they acted like I was a freakin spy.
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posted August 05, 2008 07:02 PM
Thanks for all the input guys. You all make good points.
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posted August 06, 2008 09:27 AM
How do you guys check stack height???Pull the whole pack out and measure or is there another trick way to check.....
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posted August 06, 2008 03:04 PM
that or measure each plate and add them up. if you have anti chatter rings, make sure they arent holding the pack apart if you do it all at once
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted August 06, 2008 04:36 PM
Once you have the determined stack height, there is another way to then check it from time to time, with it in.........
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posted August 06, 2008 06:08 PM
clearance between the arm and buttons... or with a depth guage on a stock setup im guessing
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted August 07, 2008 06:03 AM
Ding.
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posted August 07, 2008 06:03 AM
But its real hard to do with a two stage.
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posted August 09, 2008 04:07 PM
so what should the stack height be.. muzzy says 2.24- 2.27 guys need your help what should it be
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posted August 09, 2008 04:12 PM
i talk to muzzy and they said the stack height should be right but they also said that the arm is getting ate up because its the shit rod i not in line with the the puller and that is why its getting ate up.
HELP please any advice dont want to take it to the shop cause i want to learn my bike
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posted August 09, 2008 06:27 PM
use mm for the clutch. it makes the math way easier as the steels you are swapping in and out to get proper stack height are nice simple (metric) numbers 1.4, 1.6, or 2.0
stack height should be 56.8-57.6mm
when i replaced my clutch this yr for a new set of fibers, using the muzzy steels (2.0) it was low. i think i added about a mm to put to the high end of the spec
if your puller is getting eaten up from low stack height, first bring the stack height back into spec by adding steels. next replace the puller and pusher rods. if one is worn, chances are, the other has rounded corners too. not a bad idea to check the needle bearings by the pusher to make sure they arent bad
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted August 10, 2008 09:28 PM
I just tried to change my clutch. As I remember from the last time, I had all 2.0mm steels and all big fibers. No chatter springs and no small friction plate. I think it was 10 fibers and 10 steels. What do you guys think? I didn't have a chance to mess with it but its not adjusting properly. So maybe its the stack height. But the pack was the same height as what came out. So whats the best combo for the best height?
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posted August 11, 2008 07:46 AM
Stock.
I then use a thick steel when mine starts to wear down a hair, to keep the lock up in tune , but that is after about 200 passes when it starts to go down.
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posted August 11, 2008 08:03 AM
you guys never heard of this type of setup. It was highly talked about years ago when I had my 02. And it worked well then.
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posted August 11, 2008 07:14 PM
Oh, I have heard of it.........
We have all heard of it..........
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posted August 11, 2008 09:28 PM
A lot of guys believe in this or similar and have proog. This is what I have in stock (20) 2.0mm steels, (20) big fibers, (2) small fibers, (1) small steel, stock clutch springs, chatter springs. I really would like to use this stuff and not buy anything else. I'm 250lbs, 300mm tire, street riding, ocassional rolling burnout and street racing. Tried the dragstrip and ran a 7.05 my first time grannie shifting and letting off early because I could not see. I would like to try it again but with the extra weight and having to work on the weekends it may not be practical. But I would like to run at least a 6.30. What can I do with what I have? I think I have some zx6 springs somewhere.
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posted August 14, 2008 01:03 PM
Are the chatter rings included in the stack hgt. measurement????Or do you just measure the fibers and steels then add the rings as you assemble???Just checked my clutch pack and had a hell of a time trying to get it within spec....Tried all combinations and just wouldn`t get to range.....Finally went with 2.23 and not satisfied with that....(no rings in)...If I put the rings in it was way thick...Lemme know clutch brother....
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posted August 14, 2008 01:36 PM
Get it into spec of what mtc says the clearance should be between the hat and arms.
Everyone makes the clutch way to complicated.
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posted August 14, 2008 03:25 PM
What does MTC say.....All I have is a Kaw. maual....
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posted August 14, 2008 03:33 PM
compress the anti chatter rings to measure the whole pack (give it a squeeze). stock stack height will be wrong for the lock up (or it was with mine and dads). we had to add a bit to get in the recommended clearance of .100 to .125 (std) mtc lists
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted August 14, 2008 04:38 PM
Thats arm to button #`s......(.100 to .125???)
Thanks NOX....and Scott.....
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posted August 14, 2008 06:42 PM
arm to button 
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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