baltimore410
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posted July 16, 2008 08:02 PM
clutch talk
ok now i heard alot of things pertaining to clutches
clutch basket
lock up
spring pack
can somebody give me a lil run down and explain what good and bad they have for ur bike
   
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woppi
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posted July 16, 2008 11:39 PM
??
what do you want ?? street riding ?? drag racing ??
stock engine ??
that´s a big difference !!!
we need more details !!!!!
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BALTIMORE410
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posted July 17, 2008 08:16 PM
1270CC KIT POWER COMMANDER SWING ARM EXTENSION....ALIL BIT OF BOTH STREET AND STRIP
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wolf racing
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posted July 18, 2008 02:39 PM
If it's a 2000 model, repace the basket with a billet basket. It wont help performance but will stop losing an engine!
We found that over 180hp we started to crack baskets on the 2000 model. Post that will handle a few more ponies but would still recommned a billet basket to protect from drama.
Muzzys sell a performance kit which has three strong springs. I would recommend that and their basket.
Use standard fibres and 2mm steels. Keep an eye on stack hieght.
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KZScott
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posted July 18, 2008 08:49 PM
the 01 basket is the same as the 00. 02 + are a bit stronger, but not as strong as billet
you wont need a lock up with the 3 stiff springs unless you get really serious
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dirrty
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posted July 23, 2008 01:00 PM
Ok i think i will post my question here then.
Ok 2000 12r green and gold hot right yeah i know
but my question is the cluth release arm is getting ate up. I just put a new one in ran the bike down the street and once again the arm is ate up to the point i have too much play in the cluth and i cant find nutral. sorry for my bad spelling but any help would be loved. I am lost to what to do
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KZScott
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posted July 23, 2008 02:30 PM
quote:
Ok i think i will post my question here then.
Ok 2000 12r green and gold hot right yeah i know
but my question is the cluth release arm is getting ate up. I just put a new one in ran the bike down the street and once again the arm is ate up to the point i have too much play in the cluth and i cant find nutral. sorry for my bad spelling but any help would be loved. I am lost to what to do
check your stack height! if its too low you will eat up those rods in a hurry
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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NOX
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posted July 24, 2008 05:09 AM
There is some obnoxious *** hole on here who knows a little bit about clutches.........
Your problem is simple, the clutch is out of adjustment........
Get it back into factory specs..........
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posted July 24, 2008 04:51 PM
the dr is in the house. 
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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dirrty
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posted July 25, 2008 06:04 AM
 Edited By: dirrty on 25 Jul 2008 07:04
Ok so i orded a new muzzy clutch kit
also got new clutch relase arm.
and stock presure plate for the bike.
This should get me too where i want to be.
Question.
I hear muzzy clutchs are not good for street riding and sitting in trafic.
can anyone explan why not too me.
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dougmeyer
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posted July 25, 2008 07:04 AM
A Muzzy kit (nothing magic here- it just gets you all the necessary parts in one box), when installed according to the instructions works just fine in the street. If you don't over slip on the launches it will last a very long time. Start with that.
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dirrty
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posted July 25, 2008 09:50 AM
Ok guys I am new to the zx12 and race terms
what you mean by over slip the clutch
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KZScott
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posted July 25, 2008 11:20 AM
slip it for a long duration of time trying to prevent a wheelie while holding it WFO
the muzzy kit puts you into the low range of stack height spec. just add the correct amount of steels (you can stack steels back to back) to bring it to the high end of the spec so it lasts even longer. example, take out a 2mm steel and replace it with two 1.6s. adds 1.2mm to stack height....
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted July 27, 2008 07:17 PM
Put a stock clutch in it, and be done........
I have seen more money wasted on all that muzzy clutch stuff.
Hubs and baskets, yes, plates, not needed. A stock clutch pack is fine.
But what would I know......., I am not sponsored by muzzys, so I must be stupid.
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dirrty
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posted July 27, 2008 08:54 PM
naw too much work in the engin to put a stock clutch in i what i am told
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johnnycheese
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posted July 28, 2008 02:53 AM
and don't forget to pull the pan to check the screen
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NOX
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posted July 28, 2008 05:45 AM
quote:
naw too much work in the engin to put a stock clutch in i what i am told
then put in a stock clutch pack, and a lock up, tune it, and be done..........
I have had stock clutches go over 900 passes........., and half of them in the 1.3s in 60 ft.
The thick steels are a good thing at times, as your stack height must be correct, but the stock fibers will last a long time.........
Look at Crotch Rocket, he uses em, and he is full on hand clutching it..........
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Phantom13
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posted July 28, 2008 07:05 AM
When it comes to ZX-12R clutches, few have the experience and knowledge to rival NOX.... I'd listen to him.
FWIW, I've been running a 100% stock 03 clutch and 6 heavy springs on my 200rwhp N/A ZX-12R with great success both on the track and street.
NOX- I'm getting a hold of an MTC 2 stage lockup soon, being that I'm going to be running in excess of 250rwhp at Maxton. Any tips/advice/suggestions on install and/or set-up that you would be so kind to share with a fellow racer of a different dicipline?
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posted July 28, 2008 08:04 AM
250HP on a 12 at Maxton, too cool! Be sure to slap a couple of Tiger stickers on,
you never know (a few bills at the end of the year would be nice for ya). Come on
down to Texas in October, TrickTom is hosting a shootout for N/A, Nitrous, and Blown
class with I think winner take all ($100 pay in). Depends on how many people enter, but it might pay for your trip and a little extra.
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posted July 28, 2008 12:56 PM
Dr.Gary, although it's nice to dream.... there's no way my bike goes 228mph unless a Cat 5 hurricane hits the coast of NC that weekend. lol
We're aiming for the MPS-1350/F record of 218.6mph and APS-1350/G record of 208.9mph on my bike with Sal riding in October, so Texas is kind of an impossibility being that Maxton is on the same weekend.
Best of luck to you and Karl during the Texas Shootout, I'm hoping to hear of another kick ass performance from TFA in Sept. too!
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NOX
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posted July 28, 2008 03:05 PM
We can get you hooked up Phantom.
When you get it, PM me, and we will talk on the phone, and find what you are wanting to do with it.........
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posted July 28, 2008 03:39 PM
you will be very suprised at what will work. i sure was. we are working out static pressure with mine right now, playing with a few different things as i dont have the MTC springs yet, and no way to measure spring pressure. when the MTC parts get here, im sure you will see a sig change 
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted July 28, 2008 04:01 PM
Some people think my clutch cable is broken because the lever pulls in like it is...(real light springs)....Mid 1.4`s 60` times,stock motor....
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posted July 28, 2008 04:02 PM
Some people think my clutch cable is broken because the lever pulls in like it is...(real light springs)....Mid 1.4`s 60` times,stock motor....
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KZScott
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posted July 28, 2008 05:00 PM
hahaha yeah, you should have seen the look on my buddys face when i reached down and shoved the clutch puller ahead by hand(had to do it after hearing the story Nox told me). he did a did a double take and grabbed the clutch lever. "it works like that?" "yeah you dont need stiff springs with a lock up "
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos
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