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posted October 22, 2007 02:34 AM
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Ali: Maxton update???
Had a tail wind on Sunday??
How'd you do??
What about Phantom???
I sincerely hope that after all that super-double-secret-build-drama he ended up with good mph.
Vincent Hill make it??
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posted October 22, 2007 05:35 AM
I am not racing until sometime next year when It is right! (The Bike that is)
I spoke to ALi last night on his way home and he did run faster but had some STRANGE Problems with the engine firing around 12,000 RPMS! 203+? I think on a run that would have netted 205+
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posted October 22, 2007 05:39 AM
Edited By: shiphteey on 22 Oct 2007 06:42
VH couldn't make it but should be coming out swinging in March.
Phantom ran 198.7 geared a touch too short.....had 200 in it but handed it off to Iceman since we were running outta time: he went 203.07 then a 205.xx
I had problems with the bike cutting out and dying in 5th/6th gear under WOT on spray, pissing me the fuck off to no end! Best of 203.6 mph for me. I had 2 passes that I felt were in solid 204-205 standing....RPMS would drop from 12,300 down to 11,800 at the trap (197)...or get stuck at 11k in 6th....(184) or only cut out when the nitrous was applied in higher gears so I had to get off the button (195). All that was pump gas 40 shot still....too many issues to risk a 60 shot on race gas.
Favorable conditions, great time.
Warp12 went 181...his GF jumped on and went a whopping 193! Small shot and she woulda had 200.
Phantom's bike is strong. For comparision, it was a solid 12 mph faster than debbie on the pipe/pc busa and Shane's GF on the 12. They weigh at least 30 lbs less than Sal too and Phantom's bike wasn't done but they wanted to make sure they ran good @ the meet. They said they had more MPH in it, I'm sure they aren't lying.
Good times, for the most part.
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posted October 22, 2007 06:31 AM
It must be VERY satisfying for Phantom to get great results out of his bike after such a long development. Kudos all the way around.
Ali: Too bad about your bad luck, any thoughts of why it was cutting out??
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posted October 22, 2007 06:38 AM
Edited By: shiphteey on 22 Oct 2007 07:44
I thought it may be the small battery I was running (saving 7 pounds over stock may not be all that smart after all)....it dies @ staging Sunday morning so I swapped it out, seemed better, then the same problem. Why nitrous would slow me down was beyond me. Pressure was overful and I was bleeding off pressure several times on the line to make sure I was at the right pressure. I didn't check my map but it was the same map I used at TX mile. Could be injectors? The fuel was 93 pump from the fuel station across from Whataburger at TX Mile...I have a muzzy pump...who knows at this point. Felt good in the lower gears. I cleaned the filters after TX before Maxton, reinstalled correctly of course.
I look at it as God's little joke.....too bad all it does is make me come back faster! Everything has been thrown on my bike in layers so to speak, I need to step back this season now and remove things, check them one at a time and reinstall them correctly, wires routed correctly, cleanly, etc.
Between the extended ecu, pc3r, and nitrous solenoid I'm not sure. Then there is the air shifter kit, which worked great. Don't even have a logger yet which has me stagnant and hesitant to make changes when you don't know if its an improvement or a step backwards. Has me just making the 12 lighter and practicing on ME. But again, the extended rev limiter, pc3r, nitrous solenoid, bottle heater, gauge, co2 kit, muzzy fuel pump, mps kill switch, etc it all needs to come off, cleaned, checked (volt meter?) and re-routed so nothing gets kinked, etc. Squeezing the ecu, pc3, nos solenoid, 2.5 lb bottle, 9oz co2 bottle, heater, gauge, bracket, etc in the tail section....is a little ... er....messy.
Can't wait till 2008. All I can say is there will be 3 zx12s in the DC/VA area over 200....I think you know who the other 2 are ;-)
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posted October 22, 2007 06:56 AM
Zack went 199.3 on his 14 with a Muzzy, PC & MR9. He was wanting 200 but he'll have to wait.
Chad rode the red 14 to 215 on spray and 207 ( I think ) on motor. Me and momma wasn't there, still in Daytona after working Biketoberfest. Hate we missed the fun.
Looking forward to next year, we've really missed Vincent, just not the same!
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posted October 22, 2007 07:04 AM
I told Zack it was the Kawasaki curse. Chad was absolutely flying on that 14. Both of them boys are talented and quite humble actually.
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posted October 22, 2007 07:04 AM
Ali to answer you question very easily now that you have spotted it, the Solenoids can draw between 3 to 12 Amps at Wide Open Position. Add your fuel pump, ECU and other things can owerwhelm the small battery! That is why I use a "20" Amp Battery and have a Heater on the NOS Bottle!
Shane, It is time to stop "Thinking" about what you are going to do and "DO" them!
Ali is correct that WHEN I come out, it will be serious and tested! I do not plan to Blow up, just run the Number!
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posted October 22, 2007 07:11 AM
Dan
Your sons did very well this weekend, enjoyed talking with them again.
The weather was nice not that 100* kind we had last event and much more enjoyable
lots of racers this time also came with longer waits between runs.
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posted October 22, 2007 10:26 AM
Entropy - Yes, the "super-secret " ZX-12R ran good with a 205.6mph Naturally Aspirated pass at the end of Sunday. The bike was overgeared for THEICEMAN (my fault, not his). Unfortunately, the opposite occured in my case.... I smacked into the rev limiter rather hard in 6th gear about 1/10th mile before the lights. The gearing was good for 200-201mph. I must admit, I was quite angry coming through the traps on the rev limiter the entire way. If I didn't need to run all my license passes on Saturday, I would have had more time to regear the bike and still allow THEICEMAN to get a couple passes.
Oldkawboy- Your boys did great! Unfortunately, I didn't get a chance to formally meet Zach but I did speak with Chad a few times. Tell Zach I feel his pain on the 199mph run.... As Ali said, it's the Kawasaki curse and we both fell victim to it at this event. Anyway, It was cool seeing Team Millholand in action! Both your boys are SUPER FAST! I hope you guys can come visit us down here at the South Florida 9/10th's this winter when Shiphteey comes down, I guarantee you'll have an amazing time!
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posted October 22, 2007 12:49 PM
Edited By: osti33 on 22 Oct 2007 13:56
Great job everyone!!  Sorry to here about your problems Ali. I have no doubt you will get it sorted out.
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posted October 22, 2007 01:00 PM
Edited By: Phantom13 on 22 Oct 2007 14:02
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Zack went 199.3 on his 14 with a Muzzy, PC & MR9. He was wanting 200 but he'll have to wait.
Chad rode the red 14 to 215 on spray and 207 ( I think ) on motor. Me and momma wasn't there, still in Daytona after working Biketoberfest. Hate we missed the fun.
Looking forward to next year, we've really missed Vincent, just not the same!
Dan
I'm pretty sure that 207mph run was with the 45 shot of Nitrous. Followed by a 209 and 210mph run. Then 215mph with the 60 shot.
Too bad you couldn't make it out this time. Your boys were hauling the mail !!
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posted October 22, 2007 01:06 PM
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I hope you guys can come visit us down here at the South Florida 9/10th's this winter when Shiphteey comes down, I guarantee you'll have an amazing time!
Hey can someone tell me where I can find some info on these 9/10ths races?
Where are they held, and is there a schedule still this year or already up for next year?
Thanks! and Congrats to all you speed demons, hope to run with you guys out east soon.
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posted October 22, 2007 01:39 PM
South Florida 9/10th's is held every weekend.
If you're serious about participating, PM me.
It's not like Texas or Maxton though...
It's an E/T race, not MPH. Imagine a 1/4 mile drag race...... only 9/10th's of a mile long. That's the South Florida 9/10th's. Oh, it's done on perfectly smooth flat straight road, best surface you can imagine.
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posted October 22, 2007 04:25 PM
Edited By: shane661 on 22 Oct 2007 17:38
I was happy to see Racheal get the 193 mph on my 12. As most of you know, it is fairly stock, with bolt-ons. She had just run 182.7 on her k3 Gixxer when I decided to give her a shot on the 12.
We quickly went down a tooth on the rear sprocket, and she ran 189.1 on the limiter. Phantom had a 44T rear (I run a 17 front usually), and he let me swap it on. We were literally down to the wire, time -wise!
The result....she smoked through the traps at 193.1. With another hour and a couple of small changes there might have been a little more speed to had.
I was happy with my results in the respect that I ran three 181.xx passes back-to-back. Hopefully the "Mr. 170 MPH" curse will be broken for good! lol
Thanks to everyone who helped with the effort, and especially to Phantom for loaning me the sprocket!
Good to see all of you again, looking forward to the Spring....
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posted October 22, 2007 10:37 PM
Shane, you have to be the "ONLY" LSR Person with a "17" tooth Sprocket on the front! It has to take more power to yank that chain around the tighter turn of a 17 than it does an 18 or 19 and using the larger sprockets helps keep the chain off of the Swingarm. Like I said to you earlier, you know everything you need to do and have most of everything you need to go the speed. You need now to do them and be ready next year!
Mount the Larger Bottle
Put in the Spray Nozzles
Use the gearing correctly
Cut down a Tank
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posted October 22, 2007 10:55 PM
VH, can you explain why it takes more power to use a 17 vs the 18? just because the chain has to "turn" faster? i can see it robbing power if its rubbing on the arm every now and then... but wouldnt a 17 up front vs an 18 or 19 allow for a smaller rear sprocket to get the same ratio? less rotating weight and possible shorter chain too?
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posted October 23, 2007 10:31 AM
Brother Scott, I understand your thinking and here is mine.
To me, it takes more energy to stop a chain from going 1 direction to another direction, the quicker you force this transition.
Second, the larger the circle, the more Transition time to allow the slowing of the chain before changing direction, the less energy used.
Back in the Day when I was Road Racing, there were two (2) ways to make a turn. On the Big and powerfull Superbikes, we would dive straight into the turn, almost stop the bike, make the turn and drive out all (Mostly) done on the center of the tire. The Light weight 250's could rail around the entire turn and not slow any where near as much while carring a lot more corner speed because they were making a LOT Larger radius turn!
Also I have noticed that when I was using smaller front sprockets, the chain stretch and wear was "ALWAYS" Greater.
Speaking on Sprocket weight, it is not a Bad thing to have a little Rotating weight on the front sprocket like a small flywheel to help smooth out the pull of the chain with all of the binding and other things happening. On the rear, the Largest rear sprocket I have weighs less than the Stock Steel sprocket.
Last, for the speed I plan to travel, I can use a range of sprockets from 41 to 47 A total of 6 sprockets! If I used a 17 front, I would need to be down to a 37 or have 4 more sprockets to carry. The sprockets I use cost close to $75 each so right there another $300. This is just my thinking! I started out with an 18 front and 46 rear and bought a 44, 45 rear. To go faster I spent $30 for a 19 front and needed no more rears Only lately did I buy a 41, 42, & 43.
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posted October 23, 2007 10:52 AM
And thats WITH the overdrive gearing....what a madman!
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posted October 23, 2007 11:19 AM
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And thats WITH the overdrive gearing....what a madman!
he has 300 facking hp! i think that explains a lot 
thx again for another great explaination VH! greatly appreciated 
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posted October 23, 2007 11:50 AM
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And thats WITH the overdrive gearing....what a madman!
he has 300 facking hp! i think that explains a lot
thx again for another great explaination VH! greatly appreciated
Yes I do but it does not last long when I do not use enough FUEL for the amount of Spray! and I do not make any additional power when I forget to "ARM" the NOS System either! 
That is why the Notes on my bike will be PAINTED on as opposed to taped on! I even plan to have pieces of tape to move from 1 side to the other as I get things done! Hopefully I will remember to move the tape over  ! Old Age and SOmetimers disease is Killing Me!
Ali, If I cannot go 220 then I do not want to go at all! Have you seen me lately I could not go 220 then!
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posted October 23, 2007 04:04 PM
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Shane, you have to be the "ONLY" LSR Person with a "17" tooth Sprocket on the front! It has to take more power to yank that chain around the tighter turn of a 17 than it does an 18 or 19 and using the larger sprockets helps keep the chain off of the Swingarm. Like I said to you earlier, you know everything you need to do and have most of everything you need to go the speed. You need now to do them and be ready next year!
Mount the Larger Bottle
Put in the Spray Nozzles
Use the gearing correctly
Cut down a Tank
and go fast!
I agree with you 100% Vincent. The big issue is that my riding needs a lot of improvement. If you look at what Racheal ran (+12 mph) compared to me, with 80 lbs. rider difference...well, I feel like technique is a bigger concern than hp at this point.
The main reason you see the 17T on there is that I dragrace more than I do LSR. Also, I have a new chain and extended arm to be installed...
I have the parts to go fast, I would just like to improve my skills a bit first.
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posted October 24, 2007 04:57 AM
Shane, look at your Picture! That is good Form. The Cut tank would remove the Burried tank from your Chest.
The Difference between the Chain Length is less for the front than the rear and easier to do!
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posted October 24, 2007 06:41 AM
Vince,
have you found a cover to work with the cut tank
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posted October 24, 2007 07:30 AM
Hey Mr.Hill, What happend to ya buddy? I was actually looking foward to seeing you there with the incredible Hulk 12r.
Still shooting for 220mph on 300+rwhp?
Anyway, hopefully we'll catch you in March. I'll have the bottle on the bike next time to see what she'll do.
Stay Safe bro!
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