posted October 12, 2005 04:10 PM
Edited By: beansbaxter on 12 Oct 2005 17:10
Dealer called...the 12 is finally ready to go...but... Been over 3 months and now the 12 is done....sheeeesh!!
The dealer just called me and said they finished the engine work on the ole 12, and it's ready to roll. Service manager said Kawi said the only thing they would not replace were the seals because they are considered "wear and tear"...is this true?
The seals were fine when I gave them the engine. They replaced the third chamber and the rest of the engine, and the block was then burning oil. It was NOT burning oil when I gave it to them. So the dealer ordered a new seal kit to do the other 3 seals and that fixed it.
Shouldnt this have been covered as part of them doing the engine fix under warranty??
posted October 12, 2005 04:51 PM
third chamber? new seal where?
how many miles, if low miles, damage is more likely than wear.
many stealer will stick you one way or the other, just ask is it worth it to fight.
you may save a few $ here but loose if you ever need them for service or parts.
When my clutch basket blew Kaw would not cover oil and filer
posted October 13, 2005 12:16 AM
I paid about $124 after taxes. Talked to the dealer...he said he would think Kawi would know that when the engine block gets opened up like that, that the seals would need to be replaced. Kawi replaced only the seal for the third chamber that grenaded. I paid for the other 3 seals. A new head was also replaced. I dont know how much the warranty work cost, but I suspect it was between $5500 - $6000.
posted October 13, 2005 04:35 AM
seals??? do you refer to the rings in each cylinder?
With the miles you bike has, they should have been changed,but not do to normal wear. They should have been changed because they were disturbed when the cylinder was removed to repair the blown #3.
posted October 13, 2005 04:38 AM
Dam stupid isnt it, they (Kawi) spend all that money on a rebuild and leave the customer without a bike for 3 months, when they could have just dropped in a new crate motor for less $$ and had the customer back on the road in a week or so..............
Now what they have (Kawi) is a bike still on warrantee with a rebuilt engine that is not as good as a new one,that they still are cost exposed to.
posted October 13, 2005 11:10 AM
Beans, you are talking a Language I have never heard before!! Chamber?? 3rd seal?? what are you talking about?? They replaced a "NEW" Head? Is this your 3rd head?
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posted October 13, 2005 12:19 PM
Forgive me all for not being so mechanically inclined. I think I've learned a LOT over the years from all of you, but I still have a ways to go.
The engine siezed up because the valve arm gave away and grenaded the engine. The third piston was where it happened, I called it a chamber.
The head was replaced, along with everything involving the third piston.
The seals for the other 3 pistons were well within spec, but the engine was burning oil when they assembled it all back together, so by replacing those other 3 seals, it fixed the problem. It wasnt burning oil when I gave it to them.
Rode 55 miles on it last night in the rain, engine is as good as new it seems. Taking it easy though, have to follow the break-in all over again.
posted October 13, 2005 02:57 PM
The Valve arm is the valve "Stem"? The Chambers are the "Cylinders" the Seals are the "Rings"??
My problem was I was thinking the Seals were the Head Gasket that really seals the combustion "Chamber". I was trying to figure out how they could replace the 1 piece gasket for just 1 cylinder?
You have been around here long enough to speak a lot more technically than you are trying to lead me to believe!
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posted October 13, 2005 03:56 PM
Yes .
Then we could get RA12 to explain why the balancing ( lack of ) for the drive sprocket was the root of the problem ____________
Get up off your ass and ride !!
posted October 13, 2005 03:56 PM
Seriously though , post the pics so we can see more clearly what you meant .
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posted October 14, 2005 07:09 AM
Beans, In all serious things, I trul;y did not understand what you meant and I wanted to Know. Sounds like you bent a valve in a cylinder. When they repaired the engine they did not install new rings in the other cylinders and the bike smoked. They had to then replace all of the rings and now you are breaking in the new rings. Does this cover it?
I would suggest that since this was done in a shop and no Dynop Break in was done that you use the worst "MOTORCYCLE" oil (Like the $2.00 per quart 10 w 40 Honda Oil) you can find and do a LOT of higher gear roll ons to seat the rings or they will never break in well
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quote:Beans, In all serious things, I trul;y did not understand what you meant and I wanted to Know. Sounds like you bent a valve in a cylinder. When they repaired the engine they did not install new rings in the other cylinders and the bike smoked. They had to then replace all of the rings and now you are breaking in the new rings. Does this cover it?
posted October 14, 2005 10:53 AM
Just work on those new rings because you only have a few miles to start the break in process. Otherwise they start to get smooth in and will never seat. Do not even think about Synthetic Oil for at least 1 or 2000 miles. If you are a Pansie with the throttle, then go to some one with a Dyno and have him do a few "Through the Gears" and a few 4th gear roll ons and your bike will be OK!
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posted October 14, 2005 11:28 AM
I only had 55 miles on the new engine, and its back in the dealer for another 2-3 weeks. The idle is not running right - dealer is sorting through the problem - they said it is any one of the following:
posted October 14, 2005 11:28 AM
That's just silly. Build it, and put synthetic in it if you want and put it on the dyno. You don't need to put 2000 miles on dyno oil or break in an engine. My shit goes straight from assembly (with redline synthetic) to the dyno and on to the track, never had a problem. Did I mention nitrous too.
posted October 14, 2005 01:24 PM
Edited By: VincentHill on 14 Oct 2005 14:25
quote:"to the dyno and on to the track, never had a problem. Did I mention nitrous too."
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Pushed hard, it can still break in with Syn oil. Pushed lightly like keeping your license riding on the street, No Way Jo'se! IMHO
Beans, I forgot to say, I remember the Fustration from dealing with a dealer and it will send you to the crazy house. Cars are bad enough, but Bikes are personal and your life is on hold until it is right. Am I right??
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posted October 14, 2005 02:12 PM
Berg.... I thought your shit aint going on no dynos no mo???
quote:That's just silly. Build it, and put synthetic in it if you want and put it on the dyno. You don't need to put 2000 miles on dyno oil or break in an engine. My shit goes straight from assembly (with redline synthetic) to the dyno and on to the track, never had a problem. Did I mention nitrous too.
quote:beans....please tell me EXACTLY everything that was replaced....send a PM.
Since I had to pay $124 toward the warranty work, the dealer said they wouldnt have any paperwork for me to show everything that was replaced until the service order was closed out by Kawi.
Dealer is currently closed till Tuesday morning, so I'll go in and try to get a copy of what they do have to see what was replaced.
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