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posted September 10, 2005 08:24 PM
Makes you forget all about going out hunting that AZZ don't it Jere? I'm in love all right with my Fuckin Tires!!!!!!!!!!
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posted September 10, 2005 08:35 PM
 Edited By: trenace on 10 Sep 2005 21:57
I do believe in the hand-feel test -- isn't necessarily reliable for hot performance and of course no indicator of durability, or how it slides etc, but for pure and simple "lukewarm temperature" grip it seems to hold true. The Diablo Corsas for example do not meet your description, they are only average, and indeed their "lukewarm" grip is something that's OK but nothing astounding. I will try it.
BTW, the other day I accidentally produced the most shockingly sticky tire rubber I'd EVER felt. Spilled some dino Rotella T on the garage floor late at night, basically got it up as a quick job planning to follow up on the next day, but turned out some got under the KTM's rear slick that I didn't realize. Damn. Soaked in overnight too.
Cleaned it with this orange citrus cleanser I have that is different from others, nothing but orange oil and water apparently.
Anyway after cleaning the affected patch on the tire it was just SHOCKING how sticky it was compared to the rest! To the hand. Very very tacky, almost like the hand was getting glued to it, but the rubber was still equally hard, if that makes sense. Sort of Velcro effect at the molecular level or something. Incredible how it grabbed the hand.
The effect was still there a number of hours later -- the next day it wasn't though.
I will probably actually try this when I get the KTM's valves adjusted and can go stupormoto'ing with it, trying one half of the rear tire treated this way and the other half not.
I have no idea if the wear would be impaired when the tire is affected this way. Or whether the effect can last any number of miles on the track, or would burn or wear off too fast. (Actually my only real hope for it is that maybe it could be good for the standing mile -- it seems too unbelievable that I could have discovered something that would be good for many laps.)
I know that WD40 has been used in a way like this, to actually make tires stickier.
Of course the best thing is a tire that just is good and sticky all in its own right.
This is absolutely not a recommendation for anyone to do this, just purely shooting the bull. It's an interesting effect though, maybe it has promise, maybe not.
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posted September 12, 2005 05:29 AM
My .02 ..................
Though I haven't tried the Pilot Powers I can say for certain that I have put the 014s through their paces. The 014s have done nothing but impress me. Chris and I ran them on our bikes during the gap trip this past May and they never gave me a scare. Like always, the closer it came to vacations end, the harder we abused the tires. They worked awesome, and I got a tick over 1300 miles out of my rear. The front tire is starting to cup slightly now that it has about 2K on it, which is WAY better than what the 010s ever did.
I have run several different tires on my 12R, and 3 different sizes of rear tire. I was all for the 180 out back until I finally sunk in that I was losing some lean angle, and the bike was WAY skittish at full lean on exits. I had to push past where I feel comfortable to ALMOST use all my front tire. Since I have saw the light I am running a 190 out back and the bike is much more behaved when banked over. Oh it will still shake and bake on exits if you so desire, but it feels very predictable and confidence inspiring. Plus I am using all my front tire again.
Have any of you guys ran the 014s AND the Pilot Powers??? I'm speaking to the guys who push it, and tend to get 1000-1300 miles tops out of the rear, maybe 2500 out of a front max. Not the grazers who get rediculous milage out of soft tires and say they are rolling hard. I'm tempted to buy a set of the Michelins. I've heard nothing but good things about them. But then again I really like the 014s, and at $212 a set delivered I think they're a bargain. 
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posted September 12, 2005 06:02 AM
I am totally pleased with the 014's. No need to change, especially at the price we get them for. I loved seeing that gooy rubber all balled up on the edge of the tire. Oh, and I can certainly say that I should have switched to the 190 a long time ago.
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posted September 12, 2005 06:27 AM
014s for me as well, but I'm using 180 rears. Do you really see a big difference between the 180 and 190? Hmmm? And, Like Otis I see no need to change brands of tires. As for the folks around here who BAD MOUTH the 014s and have never tried them I'll just bet they BAD MOUTHED Pussy as well before they tried it. Once they did finally try it I'll bet their hand was relieved. 
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posted September 12, 2005 07:16 AM
yeah.....
gunner you'll be able to carry more corner speed with the 190. The miniscule difference in initial turn-in between the 180 & 190 isn't a big deal, but the stability that the 190 has over the 180 is VERY noticible.
Look at like I did when I was curious to see if the 190 was better. The tire is only gonna be on there for 1000 - 1300 miles tops, if you don't like it you can always go back to the 180. I plan on staying with the 190 because the bike just does what you tell it to do and gives good feedback as well. Bottom line is the 180 will help with a quicker turn-in, but at the price of stability and grip at max lean. (which is reduced due to the 180's profile on a 6" wide wheel)
I will give props to jonwright for really making me give the 190 a chance. We've ridden together and I know jon can roll. His description of what was happening when he ran the 180 rear was spot on to what I was experiencing. So when he told me that the 190 was the way to go I put some stock in it, and he was right. I then passed all this info to Otis, who took a leap of faith with the 014s AND running a 190 rear. Neither of us could've been any happier with the way the bikes performed during our gap trip. Very consistent amount of grip. Even as we piled on the heat cycles, the tires just worked.
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posted September 12, 2005 07:26 AM
Thanks Ninjaman......I'll give it a spin with the 190 next tire. I don't have any complaints with the 180 and I've worn out a couple sets so far. If 190s are better than Look out world!!!!!!!
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posted September 12, 2005 07:47 AM
Hell yeah................
Churn and burn baby............CHURN AND FUCKING BURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You'll like the 190 gunner, and if you like to paint down the darkies on exits like me and my feminine compadre' from Detroit, you'll like the 190 even more.
Two weeks ago my friend Mike and I went riding and I had a fresh (less than 150 miles on it) 014 on the rear. We hit a section of some pretty tight 2nd gear stuff. I was buzzing the engine in the 8-8.5k rpm range, getting the bike tipped in and just roasting on the gas right before the apexes. You talk about FUN!!!!!!!! With a 17t front sprocket, at that RPM, and turning the throttle to the stop!!! SHHHEEEEEIIIITTTTTTTT............ dance baby dance. Mike said I was smoking the hell of the rear tire. All I know is the tail was waggin' and steppin' out a bit, but it never felt scary and out of control.
That's one thing I love about the Ol' 12R, she just lives to pull up outta those corners, with authority I might add.
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posted September 12, 2005 07:57 AM
At that RPM in second my 12 would knock out my teeth if I whacked it in second. Just yesterday I was out riding and come up on a friend of mine out on his Harley. He was doing the Harley thing putting along at about 65 or so. I slid the 12 down to 2nd and she was about that RPM range and I whacked her HARD!!! She instantly done a power wheelie that was picture perfect so I prceeded to 3rd and rode it on out. When we stopped the Harley guy couldn't believe how much power the 12 has and how fast she'll tote the front wheel on a power wheelie and not so standing on the pegs 12 oclock balancing act.
But YES I love to help the highway dept with a little line painting. If these bitches would leave yellow lines I'll bet we could really fuck up so cags.
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posted September 12, 2005 08:08 AM
Oh yeah no doubt, upright and in a straight line you'd be a fool to whack Lil' Red in 2nd at the RPM. But when banked over hard you get a completely different result. It's a beautiful thing, damned nigh brings a tear to my eye.
If I'd tried those antics on those horseshit 207s that came on the bike I'd have been toast. Those things slid so easy it was unreal. I went to 010s and thought I was on a different bike. Then went to Supercorsas and thought HOLY SHIT!!! Too expensive, and too narrowly focused though for my taste and the type of riding I do. I ran M1 Sportecs and they are a good tire, but they ain't in the same league as the 014 when it comes to grip IMHO.
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posted September 12, 2005 08:27 AM
By the way what pressure are you running in your tires?
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posted September 12, 2005 08:29 AM
feminine compadre??? Shut the fuck up you redneck fuckstick. The only thing you know about feminine is when you dress up big mike in a tutu and wig and predend you're gettin some when you bend him over the woodpile.
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posted September 12, 2005 08:29 AM
36/36 for me gunner
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posted September 12, 2005 08:35 AM
I'm at 36 front and 39 rear, but I also have a 180 rear. I tried 35 out back and didn't like the mushy feel it had mid corner. It never acted up really I just felt uneasy about the feel. I know some of these guys run really low pressures and seem to like it. I don't see how.
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posted September 12, 2005 08:44 AM
gunner I run 1 psi more in the rear tire than Otis.
Oh and Otis,.... 
Big Mike in a tutu, not a mental image I needed son. Definitely something that could haunt a guy for life. LOL
When I called you my feminine compadre' I meant it in the nicest possible way. Crazy bastard..........................
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posted September 12, 2005 08:46 AM
Cool!!!!!!!!!! It don't sound like I'm too far off from what other fast guys are doing
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posted September 12, 2005 09:23 AM
When I called you my feminine compadre' I meant it in the nicest possible way. Crazy bastard..........................
Fucking liar!!
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posted September 12, 2005 09:41 AM
So very harsh!!!!!!!!!!
HEY,... go easy on a brotha would ya!!!
We need to be picking on Harry since he's the real bitch boy of the DG Events!!!
If there was ever an ugly biatch piece of shit loser, it's Harry!!!!!!!! LOL
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posted September 12, 2005 09:45 AM
True brother true. And where is our esteemed Harrylakecityfuckstick? Isn't he blowing dudes in Texas now??? LOL
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posted September 12, 2005 09:47 AM
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posted September 12, 2005 10:08 AM
STFU Sterbator-Boy!!!!!!!!!
Yeah Chris, he's blowing ranch workers in Swollen Groin, Texas for minimum wage right now. He said he's found his "calling".
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posted September 12, 2005 12:13 PM
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posted September 12, 2005 12:21 PM
Matt Sterbator............. Is this a copy of some poster that you have on your bedroom wall? Why would a strait guy have a pic like this laying around either in his house or on his HARD DRIVE 
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posted September 12, 2005 02:08 PM
Comparing the Pilot Powers and Supercorsas is comparing apples and oranges.....they are made for totally different riding......you cant get a SC hot enough on the street to make it work right, unless you ride like a flipping idiot and have some serious twisties..... And if you ride the Pilot Powers or any other tire that is primarily for street use like that on the track you will get them too hot and they will get greasy.....facts of life fellas.....when is the last tiem you saw Matt Maladin or Josh Hayes on a set of BT 014's or Pilot Powers??? exactally you havent, and you wont. However good the Powers are for the track ( I use them and have done multiple trackdays on them), the guys riding them arent as fast in comparison as Matt and the fellas in the AMA.
And when you look at the fact that the Pirelli and other similar "race" tires need to be in average of 160-170 degrees, its all a mute point.
both tires are very good at their intended purpose. I have run the Bt 014's and Pilot Powers, Pirelli Supercorsas, and Pirelli Dragons, BT010's, BT 019's, Dunflop 208's 208 Gpa's, metzler M1's and Michelin H2/M2's, they all worked well, some better than others. But they work best in their environment.
the Pilot Power is the best thing going in my opinion right now, I use them for the track and the street because I cant affor tire warmers. if I could I woudlnt have sold the 2 pair os SC2 slicks I just got rid of......JMO's on tires.....
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posted September 12, 2005 02:19 PM
WTF???
HDL (Harry's Dong Licker)
All I can say to your long -winded reply is duh...................
I'd have swore Mladin was running some Dunlop D205s at Road Atlanta!!!!
Lay the crackpie down before I send Bart over to "rectify" this situation Junior. 
Now kick back and finish the day with a tall frost mug of "Shut the fuck up",......for ol' times sake of course. LOL
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