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posted February 22, 2002 06:45 AM
Billet Clutch Basket Question(Problem)
Just checked my clutch plates and noticed that with the billet basket still installed that I could rotate the basket slightly in both directions without the split gears moving. I don't remember the OEM basket doing that and also don't think that the billet one did that when I installed it about 3,000 miles ago. Is this a developing problem? I know they drill out the rivets to remove the OEM basket from the gears and then weld in new ones to attach the billet basket. Can rotate approx 1/4 inch in both directions. Thanks for any help!
  
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posted February 22, 2002 02:54 PM
Lots of views, but no replies yet. I just hope the gears don't separate from the basket! Help!
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posted February 22, 2002 02:59 PM
Sounds like broken spring(s). This would be far more likely than the steel rivets working loose or the aluminum basket distorting.
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posted February 23, 2002 06:13 AM
Thanks for the reply Doug. I thought the springs were for the spring loaded split gears, with the basket being firmly mounted to the gear with the rivets. If the springs are broken, they must be very weak as I really baby the thing. Get over 6,000 miles from the rear tire, always use clutch to downshift, no dragracing, always wait until the clutch is fully engaged before hard acceleration. The basket is tight, haven't heard any rattling or anything. Plates were in perfect condition. Just noticed that I could grab the basket and move it back and forth without either of the attached gears moving. It takes some effort to do so, but not so much that it can't be done by hand without straining. When I move it back and forth, it doesn't slam into anything. Just gets tight and won't rotate any further in that direction. Guess I better pull it out and look at the springs and for any aluminum that may have worn away.
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posted February 24, 2002 08:58 PM
Ok, I see that I was wrong about the springs being there for the split gears assembly. They are there as a sort of cush drive. Springs don't appear to be broken, but the basket can be moved independant of the gears just by turning by hand. Is this small amount of play normal? Or is it a sign of the basket separating from the gears and causing major damage. Or could it be that I'm just being too paranoid.
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posted February 28, 2002 03:15 PM
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posted March 01, 2002 04:08 AM
Billet Basket
RS,
Quote - "If the springs are broken, they must be very weak as I really baby the thing. Get over 6,000 miles from the rear tire, always use clutch to downshift, no dragracing, always wait until the clutch is fully engaged before hard acceleration."
Why would you need the billet basket?
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posted March 01, 2002 09:23 AM
Peace of mind
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posted March 01, 2002 07:11 PM
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I wouldn't call it normal but...it IS common to be able to move the basket "some"...seen it on ALL Z1/KZ baskets that have a lot of miles on them.
I have never seen rivets come out or baskets separate from the gear though...I wouldn't worry about it...
SEVERAL stock ZX12 baskets have broken...I believe the basket is some of the best "piece of mind" ANYONE can buy for they're bike...money WELL SPENT...IMO...especially since it IS good for a couple of extra ponies also 
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posted March 02, 2002 04:29 AM
Kcadby, thanks for the reply. I was hoping that someone with lots of clutch experience (dragracer) would ease my mind on this one. I've been riding the bike since I found the problem, but now maybe I won't have that little nagging thought in the back of my mind and can just concentrate on the enjoyment of riding.
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posted March 02, 2002 08:19 AM
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i]especially since it IS good for a couple of extra ponies also
huh? how can you get a few ponies from a clutch basket???
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posted March 02, 2002 08:57 AM
Maybe better balanced and runs smoother ????
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posted March 03, 2002 01:47 PM
Shouldn't have said...a FEW...probably (didn't dyno before after) more like 1-3...
The first time John AND I rode the bike with the new basket we BOTH said...WOW...the bike revs cleaner/quicker now...
I picked up ET AND MPH at the track (no it was NOT due to diff. air/track conditions)...the bike OBVIOUSLY reved quicker through the gears on the first run (and every run since) down the track!!!
Since I'm no brain-e-ak  I figured it IS ballanced better and probably has less windage since it is machined smooth on the outside...
Because we race the bike...I wouldn't have care (TOO much) if the bike was actually slower with the billet...as long as it doesn't break...but it's QUICKER/FASTER...AND IT WON'T BREAK!!!
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posted March 03, 2002 02:43 PM
Interesting. I've got the Muzzys clutch (not in yet), waiting for $$$ to buy the basket. Figured as I'm not racing until ~June (Sears Point estimated completion), I'd go ahead & get my miles out of the stocker. If makes noise tho in neutral, pull in the clutch & it stops. Dealers mechanic acted like he couldn't hear it (I'm half-deaf, & I heard it!) when I asked him to warranty a new clutch. (I just wanted the parts/not the labor.) Funny how that works.
Wonder if it's really windage? Or maybe the fact that the basket has better tolerances, & combined w/the clutch & springs the clutch is just NOT SLIPPING as much as the stocker does? Hmmm....
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posted May 13, 2009 05:19 PM
I have the same problem with billet basket but rattling while in nuetral and basket rubbing clutch cover. Can anyone help????
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posted May 13, 2009 05:23 PM
If you have a billet basket and the BASKET is hitting the clutch cover, the basket nut is loose or something in the assembly is broken. Take it apart immediately.
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posted May 15, 2009 01:20 PM
Who put this together?? If you did, then my question is did you either have to use a Punch through the Hole to unload the tension on the split gear or did you have to push forward on the Basket to get the Bearing Sleeve in?
If either of these things were not necessary then it is your Split gear. Take the Pressure Plate off and then see if you can move the Basket UP and down! or wobble it left side out then the right side out! that would indicate a loose nut (On the Input Shaft).. When you pull the assembly off see if while the basket is laying on the Floor if you can put your feet on the RIng gear to hold it in place if the basket will still move! if it will move at all then the Basket is bad and send it back for examination
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posted May 15, 2009 05:25 PM
THX for the advice. Checked Clutch nut its tight .It only rattles while in neutral or if rpm is below 1500 pull the clutch lever in or increase rpm and the noise stops. ANY SUGGESTIONS???
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posted May 15, 2009 06:09 PM
Is this rattle you speak of evidenced by actual contact with the cover, or is that a supposition?
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posted May 16, 2009 04:25 AM
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THX for the advice. Checked Clutch nut its tight .It only rattles while in neutral or if rpm is below 1500 pull the clutch lever in or increase rpm and the noise stops. ANY SUGGESTIONS???
in my experience ALL 12's ratlle in the clutch unless you pull in the lever or rev it up.
just my pointy-headed view
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posted May 16, 2009 06:09 AM
Correctomundo, Mr. Pointy head.
But Mr. CJ said "basket rubbing clutch cover" Apparently not so much.
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posted May 18, 2009 05:15 PM
my 12 did the rattle also since new. i am not worrying about it.
hope you guys find what is wrong and let us know.
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posted June 02, 2009 05:02 PM
Thx 4 the help everyone going 2 ride the way it is. Anyone know why billet baskets dont oil clutches that well. My 12 is creeping pretty bad. Dont know stack height or how to measure it any suggestions??? Free play not a problem.
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posted June 03, 2009 06:04 AM
If it has a lock up, it will rattle VERY loudly.......
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posted June 06, 2009 04:58 AM
I had the same problem with the billet basket i ordered. When i installed it there was ratling below 1500 rpm also. it was installed correctly. Upon my checking things I noticed the basket would move left to right at least a 1/4 " . I sent it back to the company for inspection. they said that It was nothing wrong at first until i corrected them with the fact that in order for that to be a problem the revits were not the right diameter for the hole. they supposedly corrected it but i never checked it when i got it back. i hope its ok cause i never installed it. Its in my toolbox and i was more uncomfortable with it than my stock basket. If they didnt know how to do it the first time then my confidence was shot. I have an expensive motor and with the slackness in the drivetrain with metal to metal back and forth on and off power sounds like a time bomb.
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