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posted November 23, 2004 11:35 AM
ZX-12 starting trouble.
Hi all.
Been a long time.I didn't ride for quite some time now 
Today i decide to ride again, i went to pick up a new battery since the one i had died. The 12 sat a year with out starting and today i'm trying to start it but no joy.
My pc3r is connected i even disconected it but still no joy.
Any of you have an idea for this problem?
thanks
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canadamaxxer
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posted November 23, 2004 12:12 PM
Does it turn over and not fire or not turn over?
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NINJA12
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posted November 23, 2004 01:23 PM
Some may not agree, but i would give it a good shot of Starting Fluid in the nose. Sometimes the first start is hard, for engines that sit for a while.
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posted November 23, 2004 01:45 PM
it just dont fire .. i'm quite afraid of the starting fluid
any idea?
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canadamaxxer
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posted November 23, 2004 01:51 PM
By using a small amount of starting fluid you would be able to confirm that the engine has spark: If it coughs and sputters, the problem is most likely fuel related.
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posted November 23, 2004 03:09 PM
change the plugs, and put NEW fuel in... bet you a beer it starts!
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dougmeyer
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posted November 23, 2004 09:30 PM
Don't worry about the starting "fluid". You can also use WD-40 if you want....
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canadamaxxer
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posted November 23, 2004 10:01 PM
Brake Cleans works awesome as well.
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tuusinii
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posted November 23, 2004 10:38 PM
Just first put a new fuel in and make sure the battery has a good charge...
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posted November 24, 2004 01:44 AM
 Edited By: GOZR on 24 Nov 2004 01:44
Can the fuel get that bad hum..? and the spark plug get bad with out use?
Hum weird (the battery is brand new )
Thinking hard here before taking parts out 
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tuusinii
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posted November 24, 2004 05:57 AM
The fuel really gets that bad - or atleast can get. With my brothers KTM single I nowadays won't even bother trying to start it after the winter with the old fuel in it. IL4 isin't as bad, especially with FI, but removing the fuel and putting new one in isin't that hard and it would be very frustating that You have worked for hours trying to start the engine and trying everything to find out that Your fuel was 'old'. And a whole year is quite long time... And by the way even new battery can be faulty. When cranking the voltage shouldn't drop too much (check with multimeter) if the battery is OK. You could try with a jumper battery to eliminate the battery and give it a little bit more juice...
PS To remove the fuel it may be easiest with a tube. Don't have to be completely empty, just add enough fresh fuel...
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posted November 24, 2004 06:52 AM
I would also add a fuel stabilizer to prevent (or reduce the possiblity of) this from happening again.
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posted November 24, 2004 08:54 AM
If you didnt put some sort of fuel stabilizer product (ie: "Stabil") in yer gas before you put the bike in storage, indeed the fuell will be that bad. Drain yer gastank and go buy some nice fresh gas and try again.
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posted November 24, 2004 10:12 AM
I would go with new gas. Also we sometimes have to pull the fuel line and prime it. I pull one line and turn the pump on until fuel comes out. Then replace the line as soon as you can.
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posted November 24, 2004 10:38 AM
Hopefully you did not gum up something in the injection system. Fuel starts to go bad in a few weeks and takes a real turn in about 2 to 3 months. In 6 months, you have the makings of Varnish! Even in France, surely people know to use something in their fuel to keep it from going bad!
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posted November 24, 2004 10:51 AM
i'll try that. btw did the same with the proto suzuki 1100 and started right up.
thx i'll give you all some news after test.
Vincent what France has to do with fuel?
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posted November 24, 2004 12:21 PM
I had a truck sit for a year and all I had to do was change the battery and tap on the injectors with a wrench to "unlock" them. Started right up.
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posted November 24, 2004 12:54 PM
GOZR.... I think that was Vinny's way of calling you a gutless Frenchy.... 
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posted November 24, 2004 04:29 PM
I really hope this french thing will not start again and it is not the image of what i imagined of Vincent mostly coming from his minority background .
I'm sorry that i wasn't around riding for quite some time i was spending my time spining on Yak9-U-M well over 400 mph.
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posted November 24, 2004 05:09 PM
Edited By: GOZR on 24 Nov 2004 17:09
ok just touk offall the old fuel from the gas tank and replaced .. halas the 12 still not work.
The dfi light on the dashboars flashes.
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posted November 24, 2004 06:05 PM
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By using a small amount of starting fluid you would be able to confirm that the engine has spark: If it coughs and sputters, the problem is most likely fuel related.
This will give you a starting point. Fuel or Fire?
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posted November 24, 2004 10:24 PM
If FI light flashes - check error codes...
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posted November 25, 2004 08:11 AM
YEP! FI light just made your job alot easier!
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