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posted March 21, 2004 10:10 PM
C'mon, let's all dogpile Fish and fuck the shit out of him! 
  
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TurboBlew
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posted March 22, 2004 04:07 AM
PILE ON FISH.....lol :cheapshot jab icon:
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posted March 22, 2004 04:50 AM
I will be posting Jim Owens Battery Tray Mods which allow a 20 Amp Battery. Maybe the same location and problems, but a lot more HP to turn over Hot Modded Engines (or run NOS Blankets and accessories!
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zxfingyz
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posted March 22, 2004 07:41 AM
What do they call that when they try to stick everything that weighs anything in the center of the bike? Mass centralization?
Makes the bike easier to handle in the corners? Can we thank Big Red? The key to battery plate is to be a moron like me and not think that they would put a bolt up under the tank cover(why would they do that?) and just give the plate a good yank after you take out all the bolts but that one. The plate then cracks right at that bolt( they make it to crack there) and then you never have to worry about it again. Besides I think the battery placement facilitates oil travel up the harness. 
So you can't put it under the seat where do you put it? How do you fix it?
There is the next Dino product. Billet spring loaded battery tray that doubles as a beer cooler or stash for your tequila and camping gear.
Can I get that in carbon fiber?
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wannabe
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posted March 22, 2004 07:58 AM
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There is the next Dino product. Billet spring loaded battery tray that doubles as a beer cooler or stash for your tequila and camping gear.
Can I get that in carbon fiber?
hahaha!!!
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swft
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posted March 22, 2004 08:01 AM
Hey, that's a thought! Good stash spot for your heat! Just pull up beside the cage that cut you off and press a yer emergency flasher switch. Your heat just pops right out in your right hand... Perfect!
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posted March 22, 2004 08:53 AM
I like mine O.K.But if you want to kill him,go ahead.
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beansbaxter
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posted March 22, 2004 09:08 AM
I dont know about all this talk about killing...sounds like a poll is in order. Not it.
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fish_antlers
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posted March 22, 2004 07:02 PM
thanks red.. you can stay! 
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necro
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posted March 23, 2004 06:28 PM
I know. I counted 34 screws and nuts.
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posted March 24, 2004 10:47 AM
I tend to agree with Fish to a point.
I like the placement and the "hidden" bolt didn't iritate me that much since every time I was getting into the battery I already had the tank cover off and the tank up.
I thought that it was poor planning to put a fuse hidden back there, and then make you disconnect the wiring to pull out the battery which then if I remember correctly hits the right side fairing before you get it all the way out anyways. All to change a fuse. BUT in Kaw's defense. You shouldn't be in there much at all and I would sacrifice seldom used comforts for performance any day of the week (well all do it in the aftermarket anyway).
Definitely DON'T ditch the chassis setup or the mass centralization. Not all of use will be going to zx10's and love our 12's (6' 5", 260lbs+). I also have stock in Lock-tite trying to keep the thing put together. Some of use just don't fit on the "tiny" liter bikes and will continue with the 12's we have. Just going to force some upgrades to keep up now.
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posted March 24, 2004 01:04 PM
I didn't think it was that bad. I've had mine out several times on my different 12's. But I also work on acft for a living and that battery tray removal ain't shit compared to working on airplanes. Those can be a REAL pain in the ass!
Leave the top bolt out on the cover for sure.
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posted March 24, 2004 05:23 PM
Just put a battery charger on the 12 tonight, I Have the scars to prove it. It was a pain in the ass but I Suppose it could be worse. The bad part is when I was in the dealer I sat on a 10. Big mistake! I actually fit on the bike, it has NO wind protection But I fit. I might by pulling a Sherman
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Hells Dark Lord
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posted March 26, 2004 01:41 PM
take out the storage compartment under the rear seat, and fasten the batterie in the rear of the bike.....run longer wires so it will hook up....build a bracket to hold it in place.....leave the top bolt out of the battery tray and store your tools in there......just make sure you have a wrench under the seat to take the cover off when ya need the rest of the tools....lol
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posted June 12, 2005 06:35 AM
 Edited By: fish_antlers on 12 Jun 2005 07:36
thought since we are "on the eve" of what may be a new 12R, that I would bring this rant back up to the top... after watching several members struggle with that piece of shit battery tray at the gurdgerace this weekend, it brought back really really bad memories... memories that made me want to take the guy that designed that battery tray out back and put the boots to him... perhaps after a good "working over" he might come to his fucking senses and build a normally accessable battery for the 12R...
well.. since the bike is probably already in production for next year... I hope that the engineers and designers from KMC and KHI who surf this site paid attention to the members (who are your customers) complaints and addressed rediculous issues such as the battery tray...
so lets keep this at the top and see what happens,...
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tuusinii
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posted June 12, 2005 11:20 PM
So in all this almost 6 years I have had the bike I've opened the battery tray ones to change it after 4 and half Years. I've never trickle charged it or charged it any other way but riding - and in Finland You can't ride the winter so the battery has a long winter not to ride - I only fire it up maybe 2-3 times in the winter... So the battery lasted well and opening the tray ones in 4 Years isin't that bad. And in fact I don't think its hard at all - Yes it takes a lot of srews but it is straight farward. And assembly is reverse of disassembly If You know that You're adding something afftermaket every Year why didn't You - at the first time - made heavy enough wires to come out of the battery tray and add everything to that? It got to be easier... And if the battery would be under the seat it would have to be a lot more in the back of the bike. And that wouldn't be good for the rideability - the battery wieghts quite a lot You know. As said - it could be located better for service - but why bother because You only have to access it at a very long periods. Thinking the same I'd like the front brakes to be attached with fasteners that are easier because I use more brake bads than batterys? Or why aren't the wheels fastened with some kind of quick fasteners because I take them out even more regulalry than brake pads? The thing is that You can't have it all!
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matt sterbator
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posted June 13, 2005 08:08 AM
Battery tray is cake... given the circumstances, I'd MUCH rather have easier access to the clutch than the battery.
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eastbaydave
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posted June 14, 2005 05:58 AM
I agree it seemed an afterthought to put a main fuse in there; as well as having to remove the tank cover to get to that top bolt. I hope the next revision will make access much easier; as-well-as putting ALL fuses in an easy access fuse box. If I'm stuck out in the middle of nowhere, the thing I DON'T want to have to do= is to completely dissamble the bike to get to the fuses/battery. Especially if it's 100+ degrees, or at night, or in the rain, etc.
Funny this just came up. Just yesterday I just got done adding the Battery Tender "quick connect adapter" to my battery, & ran it out the same hole as the existing cables. It's now cable-tied to the clutch cable mount, & now all I have to do is plug-in to trickle-charge w/the Battery Tender. Takes all of 5 seconds to plug it in; why I didn't do this years ago...
The Battery Tender adapter was $5.99 at Cycle Gear....
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fish_antlers
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posted June 14, 2005 07:50 AM
Battery tender or not, battery is still a crucial bit of equitment to get to on any bike... you should have to take the boadywork off, and then work you way through layers of screws and bolts to access it... just wrong IMHO... what if your bike dies on a cold rainy road and you need to check that conveniently located main fuse area? that's another bit of rocket science...
so maybe what all of this leads to is abondoning the frame concept and going back to a twin spar frame?>
then you might even be able to change your own spark plugs without having to hire a 15 year old kid with bonsia'd fingers.
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matt sterbator
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posted June 14, 2005 11:57 AM
Some of you really need to do some work on modern automobiles, THEN come back and complain about something as trivial and EASY to get to as the battery and spark plugs.
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posted June 15, 2005 08:13 PM
While we're designing the new 12, I'd like to throw my suggestion in the box.
My (almost) only complaint is the fact that there was a tank cover to begin with!
Why not make a normal, 1 piece tank? It could have hugged the frame a little tighter, used up some of the wasted space up front, and also been capable of holding up to 2 more gallons of gas!. ( for you weight concious guys....you wouldn't HAVE to fill it up all the way)
Remove 2 bolts at the front of the tank and lift. .......life is easier
This is a project I started but haven't completed......... :chickenwithheadcutofficonhere:
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beansbaxter
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posted June 15, 2005 08:49 PM
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This is a project I started but haven't completed
Imagine that?!?!?!
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tuusinii
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posted June 15, 2005 10:39 PM
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While we're designing the new 12, I'd like to throw my suggestion in the box.
My (almost) only complaint is the fact that there was a tank cover to begin with!
Why not make a normal, 1 piece tank? It could have hugged the frame a little tighter, used up some of the wasted space up front, and also been capable of holding up to 2 more gallons of gas!. ( for you weight concious guys....you wouldn't HAVE to fill it up all the way)
Remove 2 bolts at the front of the tank and lift. .......life is easier
This is a project I started but haven't completed......... :chickenwithheadcutofficonhere:
This is the biggest drawback I have come with ZX too. With 2 more gallons or even one the bike would be better on covering long distances fast on autobahn and if the tank would be steel You could use magnet tankbag! I'd like to have a aftermarket steel tank without tank cover - or better still OEM!!!
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beansbaxter
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posted June 15, 2005 11:16 PM
yeah i hate not being able to use the marsee magnet line of stuff...
ya know they make a carbon fiber fuel tank, zhool had one on his 12, adds an extra gallon within the space there...
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posted February 14, 2009 04:19 PM
Edited By: fish_antlers on 15 Feb 2009 00:20
remembered this post from the ZX-12R days ... it's an oldie but a goodie! 
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