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posted February 19, 2008 07:49 PM
Kawasaki brand oil filter
New to the forum and a proud owner of a new Concours 14 ABS model. I dropped the oil the other day for the 600 mile change and decided to cut open the Kawasaki oil filter. If you haven't had a chance to do this, I advise that you do!! Based on a couple of web pages that have detailed internal views of all the leading brands of oil filters, this Kawasaki filter is trash and doesn't even have a conventional pleated filter element as most do. Don't take my word for it, just check for yourself!! Once you do, I'm sure that you will never use another oil filter of this type. Perhaps not all spin-on Kawasaki brand filters are constructed like this one but it's best to check.
  
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posted February 19, 2008 07:59 PM
What kind of element does it have and what else is wrong with it?
Not that it's important to me; I've used the PureOne since my first oil change at 30 miles.
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posted February 20, 2008 01:51 PM
I hope the pictures can be viewed as this is only my second post. I've never seen an oil filter constructed like this before. As you can hopefully see from the pics, the filter media is some type of fiberous material that is bonded or glued to the plastic core. This material easily come apart and there are already several pieces of glue missing from the top of this filter. Bear in mind,,, this filter only has 25 miles on it.
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posted February 20, 2008 01:58 PM
The fact that there is glue missing could be part of the dissection process??? But judging a filter material by it's looks, is not very scientific. It could be an excellent material. Before I condemn anything, I would like to see some empirical studies.
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posted February 20, 2008 06:15 PM
I would normally tend to agree with you about not judging by the appearance but there is alot of technical information out there regarding the manufacture of oil filters and this is one that is completely off the wall from the leading brands. The glue that you made reference to was not damaged during disassembly but was rather missing. It was only after cutting the original filter open, that I immediately replaced it again and opened the second filter for the photo's. Regardless of intent, this filter is cheaply constructed and appears to be subject to the filter element coming apart while in service.
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posted February 20, 2008 08:06 PM
What glue is missing? The chunks in the second picture? Looks symmetrical. But for the material, it could have great filter properties and flow. Again without tests it is impossible to judge. Is it even glue or some weird plastic thing? You could be absolutely right, but I have never been a fan of pleated paper, it can clog too easily and can cut oil flow. Or if it does flow well it may not filter well. This material looks (like I know WTF I am saying by looking at a picture) it would filter and flow. I wanna see some testing.
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posted February 20, 2008 08:52 PM
 on the nice picts of the dissected filter.
Like Ted, I'm not so sure I'd condemn the material used in the OEM without more testing.
I'm thinking the "mat type" of material, may actually have a greater efficiency than a pleated paper, by virtue of it's "depth" vs "surface" filtration.
Interesting post
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posted February 26, 2008 07:58 PM
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The fact that there is glue missing could be part of the dissection process??? But judging a filter material by it's looks, is not very scientific. It could be an excellent material. Before I condemn anything, I would like to see some empirical studies.
+1
the OEM filter for the ZX14 allowed for much better filtration and oil pressure than the suitable subs at the auto parts store.
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posted February 28, 2008 06:59 AM
 Edited By: wormgear on 28 Feb 2008 07:00
I just turned over 5k on this one. Switching to Aimsoil 10/40 full syn m/c oil. Sticking with the PureOne filter because it gets such high marks and costs only $6. Nothing published about the stock filter but I personally have my doubts about its inferiority. It's the same filter they use on the ZX14 and maybe others. I can't see kawi using junk oil filters in order to save what, a couple of bucks per unit on these bikes. Good pics and the filter IS different than most but they don't tell me anything about how well it works.
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posted April 28, 2008 09:14 PM
I'll be dumping my oil for the first time very soon. I'll cut it open and see what it looks like and report back.
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posted April 29, 2008 02:10 PM
I agree with most, the thing looks exceptional on being able to both filter and flow. My klr just uses a pleated paper cartrige, this thing looks built solid and has tons of surface area, someone should saw open a zx-14 filter to compare, though you would think they were the same????
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posted May 01, 2008 04:35 PM
The weird thing in the pic is that the filter is not black, I rebuilt my klr motor (not the original, one, I got this one off of ebay for $189 shipped complerte). I replaced the clutch, timing chain and tensioner, all seals and gaskets, bored .030 over with wiseco 11.5/1 piston, new valves and guides, and have now 4,000 miles on it.
The first 500 mile oil change the filter was BLACK, from the initial break in, I mean really black. The filter in the pic you have looks almost new. It took me 1500 miles on the klr with 500 mile oil and filter changes before the filter would look pretty clean when pulled. I have since switched to amsoil in it, and only change it once a year (1500 miles).
I am not saying that this was not your real filter from 600 mile change, but from what I saw in my puny klr 250, it would seem it sould be blacker, unless the connie is machined so well, thet there is very little wear in the first 600. Maybe that is why perfomance improves with mileage???
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posted May 02, 2008 12:49 AM
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The first 500 mile oil change the filter was BLACK, from the initial break in, I mean really black. The filter in the pic you have looks almost new.
Reread the post-- he states the photos were of a filter with only 25 miles on it.
I'm still not convinced this is a bad design
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posted May 02, 2008 02:07 AM
I guess I messed up, sorry I see what you mean.... I would like to see a 600 miler :-)
My mistake,
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posted May 03, 2008 12:38 PM
I just did my 600 mile service and cut open the filter. You can see lots of metal particles on it, so that tells me it's doing it's job. I used tin snips to cut it open as to not add any more metal shavings from sawing or grinding to the filter. Just to be scientific.
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posted May 03, 2008 12:40 PM
Here's some pics after 600 miles. You can see lots of trash on the filter and inside the filter bowl. Now I see why a lot of people say to change it for the first time after only 25 or 50 miles. wow.
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posted May 03, 2008 04:34 PM
I think I am changing mine @ 500 miles, then 1000 then 1500, then 2000 where I am switching to amsoil. As far as I know, all that stuff went through the oil pump, not really good for it, but what can you do. Thanks for the pics, and btw, nice job using the shears!
Rob
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posted May 04, 2008 09:01 AM
You like that shear action huh? It's a mangled SOB huh? Yeah, just didn't want to make any more metal shavings so I could see just what was in the engine. And yes, I'm sure most of that shit went though the whole circulation. If I could do it over, I'd change it at 50 miles.
Hey Rob, how do you like your helibars? I just ordered a set last night. I'm 6 foot but I'm still slightly leaned forward and it seems to be hurting my lower back. Hopefuly they will help.
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posted May 04, 2008 09:08 AM
But back to the original post idea, I'd say that the filter is doing a prett good job, judging by all the metal it trapped on mine. I'd rather have it trapped in the filter than elsewhere.
I'd guess that those areas acjobber is talking about "missing glue" are actually oil ports to direct the flow.
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posted May 04, 2008 04:50 PM
I didn't put them on yet (helibars), I was going to this morning but there is more involved than is originally stated... I mean you look at the parts and it looks like a breeze, but there are many things you have to move/loosen. One is the front brake line, not the point where it attatches to the upper fork clamp, but the banjo fitting at the front master cyl itself... You need to loosen the brake line at the master cyl and move it about 1/2" to the front, you also have to pull the wiring harnesses 1/2" towards the bars, you have to flip the clutch line holder upside down to give more clearance and that is wayyyy down there. Then there are 2 other steps I have no clue about, something about loosening something but I don't understand...
Anyways getting out with the new exhaust on today was worth more than the helibars getting put on! I still want them on, but it just may take time...
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posted July 18, 2008 07:42 PM
I just changed the oil with the Kawi. filter, but I will be buying a Baldwin or WIX filter from now on. They have a really good reputation and are about the same price as the Kawi filter.
I have heard bad things about oil filters in the last couple of years and FRAM is the worst. Maybe you hear about them because they are one of the biggest manufacturers and therefore have the most out there to fail.
Look up Baldwin (I think it is a B1400) filter. Not sure what the WIX filter number is.
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posted July 20, 2008 07:44 AM
There, in my opinion, is nothing wrong with the factory filter. It has way more surface area than any pleated paper filter you can buy. I do not think kawi would put a substandard filter on a bike that has a 3 yr warranty. Either way, you need to keep the reciepts for everything in case of a warranty issue..
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posted May 28, 2009 04:15 AM
Edited By: extrapilot on 28 May 2009 12:16
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I just did my 600 mile service and cut open the filter. You can see lots of metal particles on it, so that tells me it's doing it's job. I used tin snips to cut it open as to not add any more metal shavings from sawing or grinding to the filter. Just to be scientific.
So did this issue clear up in time?
I had the same particles in my ZX14 filter at the first 600 mile oil change.
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posted May 30, 2009 04:13 PM
i have cut a bunch of filters apart. i changed my oil at 350 then around 800. back to filter stuff i dislike any filter with the bypass valve in the back of the can. sofar the only ones i seen in the front for a car is napa wix and for bike believe it or not a bosch from what i could tell cause it moved on the nipple with solid back and spring.
reason for me liking them is all the crud on the filter that is loose will get cleaned off and go through again. in the front the crap stays in the can with out flowing by the dirty filter.
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