concoursx1
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posted September 22, 2007 11:45 AM
No tire pressure indicated?
My tire pressure indicator has not worked since I bought the bike new last week. The dealer is trying to tell me that it only indicates when pressure is low. I have explained how it works after 1 minute and 20+mph. The service manager wants me to bring it in. I don't want to have to lose my bike for days while they are trying to "fix it" (I'm being nice here). Can anybody out there put a spotlight on how to reset, recognize, etc. the tire pressures?
  
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fastestbusaaround
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posted September 22, 2007 11:49 AM
Your dealer is an idiot. Let's hope they can address the issue quickly. See if they have the service manual for the C14, because without that, they may be even more in the dark. Sounds to me like the receiver is the issue as it's unlikely that both sensors would have dead batteries or defective sensors. TedG may have one and you can ask him to look at the troubleshooting sequence to see if there's some sort of initialization sequence you can perform.
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wormgear
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posted September 22, 2007 12:09 PM
I have a similar problem and I've seen it talked about on other sites. I think this may become an official bug in this new bike and new feature. Here's a copy of my post from a few weeks back.
"I washed my C14 the other day and since then I get no front tire pressure indication. Just the three bars like when it hasn't spun up enough. Rear t.p. acts normally.
My local dealer said they could take a look at it but they'd need to keep it for a few days.
(Aurgh)
No, I didn't use high pressure , just a gentle shower setting on my garden hose."
It seems washing it may have had nothing to do with it. The second time I talked to my dealer he talked to kawi and ordered me a new sensor. When that came in he told me that kawi no longer thought it was the sensor and that I have to wait for them (the dealer) to get the special diagnostic equipment and then leave it with them a couple of days so they could hook it up and work with kawi on the fix.
So there ya go, looks like we'll have to check our tire pressures the old fashioned way till they get this worked out.
And I concur "your dealer is an idiot"
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wormgear
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posted September 22, 2007 01:12 PM
 Edited By: wormgear on 22 Sep 2007 14:13
You might want to give this a shot, it didn't work for me and probably won't for you but it's something to do. Also, our problems may not be identical. What exactly is your situation anyway? Does yours even scroll to the tire pressures screen? Show --- for both front and rear, or what?
Anyway you can pull the windshield then pull the little black "dashboard" panel (push in on the center of the two riv-screws to disengage) exposing the connector to the display. Disconnect that, make sure the pins and sockets look clean and intact and reconnect it. This resets something in the indicator and when you first power it up you cannot even scroll to the tire pressure screen at all, like it's not there. Not a problem, just ride it a little and scroll thru again and presto, it's back. Unfortunately mine came back the same way, with no front tire press indication.
Oh and, afterwards you will have to reset your clock and your trip meters and avg fuel use will zero out.
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concoursx1
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posted September 22, 2007 01:14 PM
I didn't want to say it, "my dealer is an idiot". That's why I'm trying to figure this out first. Thanks for the reply Wormgear, the day I bought the bike it was a downpour, rode home the whole way like that. Although, I still think it is in the communication somewhere.
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concoursx1
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posted September 22, 2007 01:17 PM
OK, Wormgear, looks like the right thing to try. I'll let you know when I get off work. Neither tire pressure indicates, and it does scroll through. All other indications work fine.
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posted September 22, 2007 01:32 PM
Interesting, rain.... Rained a lot on my 1400 mile ride home from the dealership too, but my tp's worked just fine until right after I washed it at about 1500 miles. Maybe water IS a factor. Maybe a coincidence. Maybe a queer electron blew a fuse. Maybe a fat one got stuck in an or gate.....Idunno
I think we'll have to wait this one out, good luck!
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fastestbusaaround
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posted September 23, 2007 08:53 PM
Not rain IMO -- 2 bikes have seemingly different issues. WG, I think your front sensor is defective, not the receiver. CX1, me thinks your receiver is tostito.:d
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philipintexas
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posted September 24, 2007 02:41 PM
My front reading was blank from day1. Rear works fine. The dealer said they forgot to program the computer at the factory. They are waiting on a program download so they can fix it. We'll see.....
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posted September 24, 2007 02:49 PM
Surprised it requires a program. You'd think there would be some sort of way to reset the BCM to read the sensor...
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rbarnes1
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posted September 24, 2007 03:53 PM
I have the same problem when I drove my bike off the dealership floor. On the ride home the rear tire sensor had three lines - so much for the "dealer prep" fees!
I don't want to take it in either - the only competent Kawa service shop is 60 miles away - very difficult to leave overnight and arrange transportation back and forth!
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fjrpilot
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posted September 24, 2007 04:44 PM
Mine is exactly the same way. Front pressure displayed and the rear presure is 3 lines. Obviously Kaw has a problem here. I'll wait till the weather gets cold before I take it to any dealer. Apparently right now they dont know how to fix it anyway.
Later
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PaulM
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posted September 24, 2007 06:08 PM
The shop manual is specific about the symptoms. It says each sensor must be registered with the ECU (computer) on the bike. If you get a low battery you would have a warning and batteries last 5 years (they are not replaceable, replace the sensor when it goes according to the manual-ha).
There will be no reading when the pressure is over 350kpa (figure out the psi yourself).
If the sensor is not communicatiing or not registered you will get the dashes.
The readout will not occur until 20kph speed for one minute. Then the sensor will transmit each minute.
So, my guess is that this number of failure means the sensors weren't registered. To register, the manual states you have to have the serial number off the physical sensor (remove the tire) and it gets typed into the shop computer.
Hope that helps a bit.
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fastestbusaaround
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posted September 24, 2007 07:41 PM
Serial number, and tire removal wow, that really sux...
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posted September 24, 2007 08:24 PM
wow must be rough checking tire pressure "the old way" huh :P
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concoursx1
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posted September 25, 2007 03:15 AM
Thanks for the info from the service manual Paul M, that really does sux. I'm seeing the service manager tomorrow and taking this info to him. Might save some time on troubeshooting and just contact Kawasaki directly and see whats up...
I'll update when I get something. Thanks again for the help from everyone.
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john palmer
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posted September 26, 2007 07:10 PM
Just an FYI about the Concours14 tire pressure sensors.
The Concours 14 factory service manual has four full pages specifically about mounting tires on wheels with these tire sensors. It would be advised that you read this information before you try to mount, (or have someone not familar with these pressure sensors) mount your new tires. Basically they are easily damaged by scraping (from a tire bead or tire machine), the recommended tire mounting proceedure is different than any other tire that I'm aware of, for new tire mounting. The sensors are about $170 each and because they require the dealer's KDS3 (Kawasaki Diagnostic System 3.0) software to program the sensor serial number into the bikes computer it would not be possible to just purchase new replacements over the parts counter and have them work on the bike. Since you are required to remove the sensor during tire mounting it would be advised that you write down the each sensor serial number for the front and rear wheels and record it for future reference.
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posted September 26, 2007 08:55 PM
well my gauge is in kilopascals as we are metric, never understood that so I just use PSI at the gas station like a normal bike. If I change the readout to Imperial PSI I get MPH speedo and stuff and we are in KPH so you can't have a little of both it seems.
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gpz1100
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posted September 27, 2007 08:10 PM
John, Why do the sensors have to come out when replacing tires? Please elaborate.
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john palmer
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posted September 29, 2007 07:12 PM
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John, Why do the sensors have to come out when replacing tires? Please elaborate.
Basically, they (KHI) do not want you to rotate the tire 360 degrees on the tire maching during dismounting or mounting. Once the top bead is off the rim they suggest (require), that the sensor be removed to eliminate and any possibility of the tire machine, tire iron, or the tire bead smashing or scratching the pressure sensor.
My advice is to stop by your local Kawasaki dealer and either purchase or ask him to show you his shop service manual about tire mounting and sensors. If he does not want to share this information, find another dealer. The photos will clearly answer your questions.
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gpz1100
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posted September 29, 2007 07:40 PM
John.
Thanks for the reply and clarification. In your opinion, do you think this is really necessary if the person is careful when R&R'ing the tires?
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john palmer
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posted September 30, 2007 09:03 AM
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John.
Thanks for the reply and clarification. In your opinion, do you think this is really necessary if the person is careful when R&R'ing the tires?
It takes about thirty seconds to remove the sensor from the rim after the tire bead is broken. The cost of the each tire sensor, plus programing has to be over $200 each.
It's a no brainer IMO.
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posted September 30, 2007 09:07 AM
wow... great info.. thanks! 
In defense of the dealers (in general) ... dealers should have mechanics that are factory trained... Kawi, like other OEMs is constantly having seminars training their dealers to ensure proper servicing of their bikes... good chance that if the tire change procedure is so intensive, that Kawi dealers know about it already and should be up to speed on it
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wormgear
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posted October 12, 2007 12:43 PM
Anyone gotten anything fixed yet? I'm still waiting for my dealer to get the equipment and I'm almost ready for new tires.
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john palmer
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posted October 12, 2007 09:14 PM
The KDS 3.0 version software is available at the dealerships.
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