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posted September 13, 2007 07:59 PM
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1st ride thoughts...
Got my C14 today. Love the smooth ride, braking, handling and comfort. Especially like the OD that spins 2800 RPM at 60 MPH, but the fucking thing is gutless. My old FJR could stomp this thing in a heartbeat -- and what's with that 10.5 redline? It needs the ever-so-popular ZX14 mod to wake it up, which I'll do when the PCIII comes out for it -- and someone has a map. I think it'll be a beast once it's unleashed.
Love the 2-fan setup too -- 2 fans -- twice as much heat on me now...great bike to ride in the snow I'd think....I'll never get cold, that's for sure. Put up that windshield and it gets even hotter...damn, you'd think they could have designed this thing to run cooler than the ZX14, not hotter.  
I find the bars just a bit buzzy, but when I get my Throttlemeister's installed, I believe much of that will go away. I'm guessing the buzz is more driveline than engine, since the ZX14 has virtually none.
Center stand needs a proper grip mounted way lower than what they call a grip.
Headlights are great once they're pulled way up...need to install HID's or at least some cheap high powered Xenon's.
All in all, I love the bike, but it really needs the "flies out" mod. More in the next few days... 
EDIT: Maybe this is why she feels so gutless...
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posted September 13, 2007 08:30 PM
Edited By: TedG on 13 Sep 2007 21:33
You need to get some miles on it before it wakes up. 4000 and mine seemed to be much quicker and smoother. Now at 8000 the thing is pretty fast, It is not 10 or 12 but it will roll.
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posted September 13, 2007 08:32 PM
I need to do the ZX14 mods...PC has a unit now; l just need a map, cuz this one's not getting Dyno'd... 
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posted September 13, 2007 09:03 PM
Anyway congrats on the new bike. I would really like to know if the cam is actually advancing. Could explain a lot.
The real test of this thing is to go for a few hundred miles and the effortless way it gobbles up miles, passes cars rips through windy roads, and makes droning almost a pleasure will really help you appriciate the thing.
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posted September 13, 2007 09:06 PM
FBA the heat gets better, but you must fix the foam. Our corporate pilot just bought one in VA and rode it back here to Reno. 3900 miles and he loved it. But his foam was a mess. Huge gaping holes allowing heat to go right to his legs.
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posted September 14, 2007 05:32 AM
Ya Ted, I checked the foam out on both sides, but it is well installed with no real holes... I also noticed that the heat dissapates from the top of the faring where the knee rests against and I don't see how anything would change that heat issue, except a redesign of course. Anyhow, I've ridden or owned worse than this in terms of heat (late model Wing), so if that's as bad as it gets, I can deal with it. Now as for the power -- this bike needs all the help it can get. Those flies have got to come out as soon as I find a map and hopefully, that's all it is. Not knowing much about the VVT and some other things about this engine, I'm not sure just how much of an effect if any, the removal of the flies will really have.
I will say though, she's very nimble for her size and weight and though I had no issues with 1000 KM day rides even on my 10, I bet I can ride this thing forever with no pain at all.
One question though -- how would anyone under 5'10" and a 34" inseam ride this thing? It's at least 1/2-3/4" of an inch higher than my 10R was.
I just rode it in to the office -- must say, it's well planted on the ground...it gives the rider a lot of confidence in the turns. You feel as if you're sitting on a bus -- this thing's so high and upright! Doing a 500 KM ride on Sunday so I'll get a chance to really see what this puppy's all about.
I did notice on the Area P dyno chart that the power gains were all across the board with their slip on, which is unusual. Normally you would lose TQ on the bottom end, so I'm somewhat suspect of those numbers.
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posted September 14, 2007 06:28 AM
Edited By: TedG on 14 Sep 2007 14:20
OP,
I think what you're expecting is some type of torque or HP peak. According to the dyno you posted, as well as a few others floating around, there is no explicit peak like that. It's all very gradual and linear, not even looking at the numbers, just the general shape.
FJR1300: http://www.holeshot.com/dynocharts/dyno_fjr
http://www.fjr1300.info/chart.html (crank)
http://www.twobros.com/Cust_Service/Dyno_Charts/dyno_2005_yama_fj1300.pdf
The bike is geared extremely tall too. You can do 100 mph in 3rd gear at 8/9K rpm quite easily. Personally, I'm quite satisfied with the power. Plenty there to get you into trouble if you're not careful. Also keep in mind, the typical sport tourer rider rides a bit differently than your zx14 rider.. With more emphasis on low/mid range. Get on the throttle above 4500 or so, and it pulls pretty good. No seat of your pants type punch, but the speed builds up deceptively fast.
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posted September 14, 2007 07:54 AM
http://www.holeshot.com/dynocharts/dyno_fjr
http://www.fjr1300.info/chart.html
http://www.twobros.com/Cust_Service/Dyno_Charts/dyno_2005_yama_fj1300.pdf
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posted September 14, 2007 08:07 AM
Wow.............comparing Area P's chart above to the three charts from gpz1100's post.............these two engines look VERY close in hp,Tq and curve............... 
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posted September 14, 2007 08:13 AM
If you look REAL close though................the C14 does have a flat as a pancake curve.............very linear................
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posted September 14, 2007 10:32 AM
WB, thanks for linking. I thought the forum would automatically add links to the urls.
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posted September 14, 2007 12:26 PM
Edited By: warbird on 14 Sep 2007 13:26
No sweat gpz............thanks for the great info! 
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posted September 14, 2007 01:22 PM
quote:
WB, thanks for linking. I thought the forum would automatically add links to the urls.
It did!
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posted September 14, 2007 02:11 PM
Heh heh............
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posted September 14, 2007 08:48 PM
There is no comparison on the low end between an FJR and a C14. I've owned the 04 FJ and now have a C14. The FJR will power wheelie at 2500 in 1st -- I'd like to see anyone get the C14 up in the air at even 4k on a C14 with just a throttle twist and no clutching.
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posted September 14, 2007 08:59 PM
Edited By: sands on 14 Sep 2007 22:02
could be just a matter of gearing....But I wouldn't have any desire to wheelie a sport tourer anyway...Completely wrong genre of motorcycle for that...Not to mention the kind of stress it would put on a vehicle of that weight...Not a very good idea...But a good idea on the manufacturers part to keep that from happening.
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posted September 14, 2007 09:04 PM
Edited By: fastestbusaaround on 14 Sep 2007 22:05
It's not gearing, anyone who knows how to wheelie can make a fork lift truck come up... Wheelied the piss out of my FJ and never had an issue at all after 30k KM's. C'mon man, any bike is made to wheelie...Wings go up nice and easy too! Hell -- my damn Road King wheelies...my kid's scooter does it...
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posted September 14, 2007 10:36 PM
IMHO the C14 will not power wheelie, simply because when you apply the power, the secondary flies will slowly open and not allowing enough throttle for it to wheelie. It will when the flies are removed. Clutching it is relatively easy, and controlable.
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posted September 15, 2007 09:11 AM
quote:
IMHO the C14 will not power wheelie,
ahem...... (clearing throat)
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posted September 15, 2007 11:12 AM
OK when I crack the throttle, mine actually really doesn't do much, it is like I am accelerating smoothly. And if I let off to load the forks and crack it, it hesitates and you get squat.
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posted September 15, 2007 04:19 PM
Ted,
You won't rest until the front end of your kaw is in the air?
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posted September 15, 2007 05:48 PM
quote:
Ted,
You won't rest until the front end of your kaw is in the air?
I can get it to wheelie with the clutch.
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posted September 17, 2007 04:32 PM
Edited By: fastestbusaaround on 17 Sep 2007 17:36
Ted, bounce it in 1st at 7-8k. She'll come up easily. Mine did, but again, the FJR comes up at under 3K with the same effort, because Yami didn't cripple the intakes, like some doorknob at Kawi did...:P
Anyway, who wants to be revving this bike at 8k?
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posted September 17, 2007 06:47 PM
I may give it a try at 8k. It is nice to wheelie, but if I feel the need too much, I still have the 10.
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posted September 18, 2007 03:30 PM
Ted, you're right. This bike gets dramatically faster after the 1st few hundred miles, surprisingly, but it still needs the flies-out mod!
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