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posted February 08, 2008 07:34 AM
the other two went faster on the Kwaka (2 of the riders prefered the Yamaha on track even though it was third fastest)
  
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posted February 08, 2008 07:36 AM
Yes, 600 's are for smooth power, and great handling.
Hello!
1000's are SUPPOSED to be EVIL BRUTES!
They're supposed to be respected, and occaisonally instill fear and sporratic instances of implulsive laughter....
Honda makes reliable boring vehicles.
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posted February 08, 2008 08:32 AM
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in some cases yes, but I can assure you, the RR is NOT boring!
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posted February 08, 2008 09:35 AM
the other two went faster on the Kwaka (2 of the riders prefered the Yamaha on track even though it was third fastest)
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posted February 08, 2008 10:07 AM
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YZF, you seem to have some real problems understanding comparisons, let me try to explain.
5 riders (all racers) on 4 bikes, on the same tyres, on the same day, 5 flying laps. 3 of them went faster on the Honda, so its pretty close but they had to give it to the Honda. You could always make one bike faster by putting a GP god in the saddle, but that wouldn't be a comparison, get it? It has to be when all other factors are equal, see?
Three my friends, including me, will make 1 lap in 5min with Honda and 5.1min with Kawasaki.
Good rider, will do 1.41 with Kawasaki 1.42 with Honda.
Why the hell you should take MY laptimes, instead of good (pro) riders, WHO can PUSH bikes to their TRUE limits and see which is FASTEST (and not Average fastest) ???? What i don't get it lol? am i not Honda fanboy like you with blind eyes?? 
If those three riders can not push bikes to their limits, its not bikes fault and fastest bike should not be placed second LOL. Give those three riders couple more laps and they will be first with Kawasaki. Do you get that?
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posted February 08, 2008 10:09 AM
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YZF, you seem to have some real problems understanding comparisons, let me try to explain.
5 riders (all racers) on 4 bikes, on the same tyres, on the same day, 5 flying laps. 3 of them went faster on the Honda, so its pretty close but they had to give it to the Honda. You could always make one bike faster by putting a GP god in the saddle, but that wouldn't be a comparison, get it? It has to be when all other factors are equal, see?
Did the other 2 riders go fastest on the Kaw?
Yes and what is important their lap times where 3sec better than those amateurs did.
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posted February 08, 2008 10:26 AM
Oh dear...... 5 racers, 2GP, 2National Superbike, 1 club racer. 3 fastest on Honda. Not 3 amatuers. What you claim is not true and nowhere was there a 1.43 reported. You read the same report as me, where are you getting this stuff from.
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posted February 08, 2008 11:11 AM
 Edited By: salsa1 on 8 Feb 2008 11:12
quote]Oh dear...... 5 racers, 2GP, 2National Superbike, 1 club racer. 3 fastest on Honda. Not 3 amatuers.
ok ...you are saying these pro's did their best in their first 5 laps? just becasue they are pro's....you believe that?
All they could determine is that the honda was easier to ride fast for them in five quick laps...again duh.!!!
Give them a week with these powerful (new to them) liter bikes ...and then draw conclusions...but go ahead insult your intelIgence some more.....
no comon sense.. 
Hey this is fun stevewfl..I can see why you like debating so much....  except you will need a much larger crow bowl than me
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posted February 08, 2008 11:17 AM
No, I'm saying they had to create a level playing field somehow for the purposes of comparing the bikes we all wanted to see compared. What they came up with is "a result", not definitive but representative. Seems like a fair way of doing things for starters.
Not their first 5 laps, a whole morning on track and then 5 flyers.
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posted February 08, 2008 11:45 AM
Edited By: YZF on 8 Feb 2008 11:47
Neverthelesss fastest time of the day belongs to Kawasaki and not Honda.
So when someone (e.g. Pro) will think what to buy for track use, Kawasaki will be the choice.
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Bulers
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posted February 08, 2008 04:21 PM
Ant evidence of that?
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posted February 08, 2008 04:41 PM
As far as I can see the "pro's" are choosing;
WSB - Honda - Ten Kate
BSB - Honda - HM Plant
JSB - Suzuki I believe
AMA - Suzuki I believe
Superstock - Yamaha I believe
Moto GP - Ducati, then Honda, then Yamaha
Remind me exactly WHICH PROs are choosing kawasaki?
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posted February 08, 2008 05:03 PM
you were quick to discount Yamaha from MotoGP.
And of course HONDA is the winningest team in Motorcycle racing, whats new.
Oh, back to Yamaha and MotoGP- "MotoGP Sepang test: Yamaha confident new engine can challenge Ducati http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/mcn/2008/february/4-10/feb0708motogpsepangtestvalentinorossithrilledaftersepangtest/
Hey, did you really ask where kawsaki is when it comes to motorcycle racing??? LMAO 
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salsa1
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posted February 08, 2008 08:12 PM
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Not their first 5 laps, a whole morning on track and then 5 flyers.
WHOLE MORNING ON TRACK????!!!!!
any evidence of that?
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posted February 09, 2008 12:32 AM
This years MotoGP is going to be tight... ducati have a great bike tires and stoner. (note: other ducati riders aren't doing anywhere near as good as stoner on the same equipment)
But we have Honda picking up the pace (yet sucking with the pneumatic valve engine) on michelins and Yamaha having a hot ass engine and hot ass riders too on both michelin and the hallowed bridgestones (who friggen knows where they got their pace from)
loving it
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posted February 09, 2008 12:44 AM
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you were quick to discount Yamaha from MotoGP.
Ok, Yamaha, Ducati, Honda. I was only going on last years results.
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posted February 09, 2008 12:46 AM
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Hey, did you really ask where kawsaki is when it comes to motorcycle racing??? quote:
No, I asked which pro's where choosing them, subtle difference.
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posted February 09, 2008 01:34 AM
Well we're not going to get Ten Kate changing to Kawi now are we? Most teams are commited to specific manufacturers and won't change unless there is a huge problem...
That being said, only the privateer teams will really have the choice of bikes... and there have been teams in the past that have opted for the kawis in 1000 and 600 class. I'm sure that number will increase this year due to how close all the bikes are at the moment.
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posted February 09, 2008 11:27 AM
"due to how close all the bikes are at the moment"
true statements such as that will kill our internet debate about the Honda and ZX10, and the brand loyal folks may even have an awakening and case of open mindedness!!!!
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posted February 09, 2008 02:56 PM
Edited By: 08blade on 9 Feb 2008 14:58
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i am Kawi fanboy with blind eyes!!
Yes, yes you are. lol
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Give those three riders couple more laps and they will be first with Kawasaki. Do you get that?
Give them more laps on the Honda and they will be faster than they were after 5 laps. Do you get that?
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ok ...you are saying these pro's did their best in their first 5 laps? just becasue they are pro's....you believe that? All they could determine is that the honda was easier to ride fast for them in five quick laps...again duh.!!! Give them a week with these powerful (new to them) liter bikes ...and then draw conclusions...but go ahead insult your intelIgence some more..... no comon sense..
Talk about a lack of common sense. If they spent more time on the Honda the would have been even faster ... and still faster than the Kawi.
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So when someone (e.g. Pro) will think what to buy for track use, Kawasaki will be the choice.
a 1/4 mile track ... STRAIGHT LINE POWER! FTW! LOL
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posted February 09, 2008 08:10 PM
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talk about a lack of common sense. If they spent more time on the Honda the would have been even faster ... and still faster than the Kawi.
??? it's on the kawasaki that seat time is more so required to reach it's full potential......you have comon sense right ..dream on....it does not show...
I believe the Kawasaki makes more power albeit marginal as well....your speculation won't prove against that...further tests will tell the truth however.......not a problem....
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this is just the beginning....plus who cares ...the Honda is a horrible looking bike ...
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posted February 09, 2008 08:44 PM
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??? it's on the kawasaki that seat time is more so required to reach it's full potential......you have comon sense right ..dream on....it does not show...
You rode the short bus to school didn't you? You're saying that the ZX10R is the only bike where spending more seat time is going to enable the rider to improve his times? LOL
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I believe the Kawasaki makes more power albeit marginal as well....your speculation won't prove against that...further tests will tell the truth however
I have never said the Kawi wouldn't put up the highest dyno number so no, my "speculation won't prove against that". (WTF?) LOL ... And yes further tests will tell the truth ... the truth being that the Honda is faster around a track.
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plus who cares ...the Honda is a horrible looking bike ...
Plus that Kawi looks like  .
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posted February 09, 2008 09:14 PM
Edited By: salsa1 on 9 Feb 2008 21:18
just saying you are shortsighted and have no common sense; just a bias no one cares about....
and that the honda will be avoided based on how odd it looks..:
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posted February 09, 2008 10:58 PM
"on how odd it looks"
looking at the ZX10 for '08, thats funny you brought up "looks" :P
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posted February 09, 2008 11:01 PM
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true statements such as that will kill our internet debate about the Honda and ZX10, and the brand loyal folks may even have an awakening and case of open mindedness!!!!
LOL sorry about that...
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