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posted February 07, 2008 04:29 PM
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HONDA for '08
Now the magazines start the real handling superbike shoot outs. And of the two redesigned bikes for 2008....well..... watch the video 
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posted February 07, 2008 04:42 PM
That guy is JUST GAY!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do you hear me Steve? He's just GAY!! Listen to his voice and tell me he's NOT... 
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posted February 07, 2008 05:34 PM
I think they are the same fools that claimed 170 HP for a ZX10? (more than a 14 bahahah)
Fortunately, k bryant put some real dyno results:
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Here are the results. Extremely impressive.
Baseline - 157.4 hp, 74.05 tq
Area P Slip-On - 164.05 hp, 75.3 tq
This bike had 250 miles on it. It responded very well to the exhaust change. Plus 6.7 hp and 1.2 tq increase peak. Very strong low and mid-range increases as well. Interesting to note that the new ZX10 pulls hard all the way to the soft limiter (13000 rpm) and just starts to level off. It was almost 12 hp stronger at its peak, over the OEM muffler at the same rpm. This trait is particular to the '08 model and shows how strong the motor is with our exhaust. The Area P Slip-On tested was with our large 2.5" core. The A/F curve was within specs and no change was required. A PC3 or kit ECU may further enhance power.
Interesting note - with the Area P Slip-On installed, the '08 ZX10 makes more horsepower than the baseline stock runs of our '08 ZX14. As normal, all our runs are done using SAE settings. STD will of course be higher.
http://www.areapnolimits.com/products/Slip-On-Exhaust-Kawasaki-ZX-10R-2008.php
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posted February 07, 2008 05:56 PM
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posted February 07, 2008 05:57 PM
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posted February 07, 2008 05:59 PM
Edited By: zxhoya on 7 Feb 2008 18:01
These are 1000 SUPERBIKES, sounds like to me they want to ride 600's.
It appears to me that Honda and Kaw have upped the ante, we'll see how they do racing world wide.
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posted February 07, 2008 06:14 PM
I don't understand, they're the same 1000 cc superbikes that are on the showroom floor?
The 600RR pretty much has the 600 class sewed up, although many claim the R6 is close. Last year the 600RR performed so much better than anything else in its class there wasn't a close second.
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posted February 07, 2008 06:30 PM
My reference to 600's was their rating the ZX-10 3rd because it's a beast bike? Ride a 600 if you want a civilized bike for the road and track.
They admit that the ZX-10 is the most exciting to ride and 2nd fastest on track {very close to the Honda), yet they award it 3rd and even last as far as easiest bike to ride. Yeah they're Gay.
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posted February 07, 2008 06:43 PM
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My reference to 600's was their rating the ZX-10 3rd because it's a beast bike? Ride a 600 if you want a civilized bike for the road and track.
I think the point they're making (and I'll speak from some experience as I was at the Intro for the 1000RR) is that brute force isn't always the best approach. I love gobs of power etc, but I have to admit that the refined package that Honda's put together this year means that it's easier to ride faster.. I'm pretty sure that I typed out something about this in the review... and in fact most of what I've said pretty much lines up with all the other tester's opinions...
I wasn't making this shit up! 
What can I say... guess you've gotta throw a leg over one and take it for a spin - see for yourself! 
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posted February 07, 2008 06:53 PM
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My reference to 600's was their rating the ZX-10 3rd because it's a beast bike? Ride a 600 if you want a civilized bike for the road and track.
I think the point they're making (and I'll speak from some experience as I was at the Intro for the 1000RR) is that brute force isn't always the best approach. I love gobs of power etc, but I have to admit that the refined package that Honda's put together this year means that it's easier to ride faster.. I'm pretty sure that I typed out something about this in the review... and in fact most of what I've said pretty much lines up with all the other tester's opinions...
I wasn't making this shit up!
What can I say... guess you've gotta throw a leg over one and take it for a spin - see for yourself!
Wow, I would love to. Seems the biggest advantage for the CBR, as far as track times, is it's low to mid-range power. Is it possible that the ZX-10 has too much power or just not enough low to mid-range power. Seems Kaw has returned to it's roots while adding superb handling and great brakes, I think that is a winning formula
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posted February 07, 2008 06:55 PM
like I said in the review - the honda has a pile of midrange... it actually feels like there are two distinct powerbands... one midrange and one top end... I'm curious to see the dynocharts to see if my ass dyno matches a real one 
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posted February 07, 2008 06:56 PM
I guess for the consumer it's about fun, for the racer it's about the ability to cut the quickest lap times possible no matter how a particular bike achieves that time.
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posted February 07, 2008 06:59 PM
I think we all know that when Honda puts their minds to it, nobody builds a better bike and they finally got tired of having their asses handed to them by Suzuki and others.
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posted February 07, 2008 07:03 PM
Edited By: stevewfl on 7 Feb 2008 19:09
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My reference to 600's was their rating the ZX-10 3rd because it's a beast bike? Ride a 600 if you want a civilized bike for the road and track.
They admit that the ZX-10 is the most exciting to ride and 2nd fastest on track {very close to the Honda), yet they award it 3rd and even last as far as easiest bike to ride. Yeah they're Gay.
beast bike <---the ZX10 has always been known for high HP but less performace overall. Thats no secret someone just sprung on us. In all my posts I've been saying "I suspect strongest dyno from ZX10, but not best overall performer"
Give it credit for being a beast which is great red light to red light. But it has no "significant" amount of power over the others (like 15 HP or something noticeable on a track), but they compliment it as beast like they have that bike for years.
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posted February 07, 2008 07:13 PM
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I think we all know that when Honda puts their minds to it, nobody builds a better bike and they finally got tired of having their asses handed to them by Suzuki and others.
Agreed... however we may all be putting the cart before the horse... it's still entirely possibly that the races may be suzuki 1,2,3 just like every other year...
daytona will tell all!
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posted February 07, 2008 07:17 PM
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I think we all know that when Honda puts their minds to it, nobody builds a better bike and they finally got tired of having their asses handed to them by Suzuki and others.
Agreed... however we may all be putting the cart before the horse... it's still entirely possibly that the races may be suzuki 1,2,3 just like every other year...
daytona will tell all!
daytona? those aren't out of the box bikes- but i suspect who'll win this year anyway :P
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posted February 07, 2008 07:22 PM
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but i suspect who'll win this year anyway :P
provided they dont run out of gas
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posted February 07, 2008 07:24 PM
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I think we all know that when Honda puts their minds to it, nobody builds a better bike and they finally got tired of having their asses handed to them by Suzuki and others.
Agreed... however we may all be putting the cart before the horse... it's still entirely possibly that the races may be suzuki 1,2,3 just like every other year...
daytona will tell all!
I got a feeling you are 100% right, wouldn't that be something, Ben Spies and Matt Mladin leading the way again. The Yosh Suzuki team is stout.
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posted February 07, 2008 08:16 PM
Spies will have a busy season in '08
Two-time AMA Superbike Champion Ben Spies says he will race a factory Suzuki GSV-R800 in the two American rounds of the 2008 MotoGP World Championship.
"We pretty much know we're gonna be doing Indy and Laguna," Spies told Roadracingworld.com February 6, referring to the MotoGP rounds at Indianapolis Motor Speedway in September and at Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca in July. "It looks like we get to test it [GSV-R800] once for sure before then and hopefully twice. It should all be good, but definitely both American rounds, from what I understand. But it's obviously not in the contract, so it's not 100%. But that's what they say, and I'll be ready to do it."
Spies, whose current contract with American Suzuki expires at the end of 2008, said he has not yet made any deals for 2009.
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posted February 08, 2008 05:59 AM
Its the same MCN test, the same crapy test where they show slower laptimes just because they want Honda to be first LOL
But they do not dyno bikes themself so dynos should be ok. At least they match, so new zx10r indeed has 170rwhp STD
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posted February 08, 2008 06:18 AM
YZF, you seem to have some real problems understanding comparisons, let me try to explain.
5 riders (all racers) on 4 bikes, on the same tyres, on the same day, 5 flying laps. 3 of them went faster on the Honda, so its pretty close but they had to give it to the Honda. You could always make one bike faster by putting a GP god in the saddle, but that wouldn't be a comparison, get it? It has to be when all other factors are equal, see?
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posted February 08, 2008 06:57 AM
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5 riders (all racers) on 4 bikes, on the same tyres, on the same day, 5 flying laps. 3 of them went faster on the Honda, so its pretty close but they had to give it to the Honda. You could always make one bike faster by putting a GP god in the saddle, but that wouldn't be a comparison, get it? It has to be when all other factors are equal, see?
Yea right.... Give the same riders a week or a month for that matter ( real world) on the Honda and the Kawasaki....at the end of the week and given "due experience" the Kaw will be the faster....that won't happen in one day...much less in just 5 flying laps...
Takes more skill amd learning to tame the beast and utilize all the ZX-10R is... been said before in other road tests with these two..
People just don't think about it for some reason..(no common sense ) ...ya get to keep the bike if ya own it....and ya get "more" than a few laps with it if ya gonna race it...duh!!
Easier to ride in the first flying 5 laps !!!?? so what?
Trying these literbikes for the first time don't win races....; or make the Honda the quicker bike....
Even I know that....
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posted February 08, 2008 07:14 AM
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YZF, you seem to have some real problems understanding comparisons, let me try to explain.
5 riders (all racers) on 4 bikes, on the same tyres, on the same day, 5 flying laps. 3 of them went faster on the Honda, so its pretty close but they had to give it to the Honda. You could always make one bike faster by putting a GP god in the saddle, but that wouldn't be a comparison, get it? It has to be when all other factors are equal, see?
Did the other 2 riders go fastest on the Kaw?
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posted February 08, 2008 07:22 AM
I've seen/sat on both the 10 and RR in person. The Honda just doesn't do it for me.
There are corporate philosophies behind these bikes. And Kawasaki seems to lean toward the more aggressive machine (quirks and all). And that is why I buy them.
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posted February 08, 2008 07:31 AM
You may well believe that, it may even be true (i doubt it) but that's not what has been tested. This is pure speculation.
There havent been "other road tests with these two"
People do think about it and make decisions based on information and emotion. The ZX is more powerful and has a quicker top speed. The Honda is quicker round a lap of Almeria (so far) and is easier to ride fast. Take your pick.
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