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posted July 27, 2007 06:07 PM
2008 busa hp vs zx14 hp
the 14 has 187 at crank plus 10 for ram air.the busa is 198 at crank.but the question is that with out the busa ram air.if it is say good bye 14.that would be 11 hp diff with better aeros i see 200 mph coming stock with it unrectricted.
  
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posted July 28, 2007 11:02 AM
Busa's 198 at crank is with ram air.
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cool
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posted July 28, 2007 12:39 PM
wheres the info on the ram air.the last busa was rated 175 at crank add ram air now thats 185.how can ram air be used.this will only help at high speeds not dyno runs or 1/4 mile runs.I think this is 198 at crank with out ram air.
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posted July 28, 2007 04:35 PM
i have no idea what your taking about
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posted July 28, 2007 11:20 PM
Ok do you really think I completly stock bike is going to hit a 200. Didn't you hear all the hype with the 14 when she first came out! I mean I love both bikes and I have the 14 but 200 is kind of pushin it.
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cool
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posted July 29, 2007 09:48 AM
 Edited By: cool on 29 Jul 2007 10:49
yes i think 200 is possible.if a stock busa in 1999 ran 194 with 160hp to the rear than the new 175hp to the rear estimate should do it if unrectricted.the 14 does not have the aeros of the standard busa so yes i think the new one will do it.it seems that the hp that the new 14 and new busa at crank are good numbers.take the zx 14 with 187 subtract 20 hp to rear wheel you get 167 which is about average for 14.take new busa at 198 and you get 178.im sorry i dont think this hp is with ram air.there are stock bore busa that have hit 200hp to rear wheel with just head work and pipe.so with 1340 that has more comp and lighter valve train will have much more than the standard busa like 20hp at least.
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kanati
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posted August 01, 2007 07:04 AM
You are showing 15 hp increase... Since it "costs" a lot more hp per mph at that kind of speed, just the hp alone isn't going to guarantee 200mph. I've heard that at 200mph it takes as much as 5hp to make just one more mph.
 
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posted August 01, 2007 06:37 PM
It takes 200 HP to go 200 MPH with a Busa. Been racing them at Bonneville in the Production class since 1999. My old black 99 is the fastest "Production" motorcycle in the world. It holds the FIM record at 203.77 set last fall with a best flying kilo of 206.1 . Stock pistons, valves,exhaust(no baffles) stock height. Misc. internal modifications. I own a ZX14 for the street, much more refined than the Busa. LSL
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posted August 22, 2007 12:14 PM
Edited By: Sticks_n_Stones on 22 Aug 2007 13:17
I love being a member of a forum where terms like "my old black 99 is the fastest 'Production' motorcycle in the world" appear and the odds are it's NOT a punk 18 yr old talking smack. As I've said before, the 14 requires ALOT more that stock to break 200mph. From what I've read (in magazines and tech articles, not forums) you can figure on 225-250hp to hit 200 mph on a stock bodied ZX14 (with mirrors and stock height). Stock bodied to me means hopping on your bike, riding thru traffic to your favorite 3 mile straight fenced off backroad (we all have those, right? lol) hitting 200mph, then nailing some curves on the way home like a true 200mph SPORTBIKE should be able to. And I hope that no manufacturer EVER makes a 200hp or 200mph bike stock. Those numbers should be left to guys like us to obtain with sweat, blood and experience who can truly appreciate them for what they are: deadly numbers that should only be in the hands of those who can control and respect them enough to properly own them. IMHO you should not be able to turn 18, take one simple course, walk into a dealer, and ride out wearing shorts and T shirt on any new 1000cc sport bike, 14 or 'Busa. How many have you seen piled up within a month of being bought? a week? a day? a block? Seen one wreck into a lightpole in the shops parking lot. 30 ft away. the bike aint even out yet, wait till mag's get the regular production bikes and do real world comparisons.
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posted August 22, 2007 04:48 PM
150 hp or 200 it don't matter. to me once over 100 it's a death trap in the wrong hands. Most new riders should not even get a new 600.
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posted August 23, 2007 06:18 AM
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150 hp or 200 it don't matter. to me once over 100 it's a death trap in the wrong hands. Most new riders should not even get a new 600.
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posted August 23, 2007 04:29 PM
But i sure hope my busa pushes 195 after Mods!
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posted September 05, 2007 10:06 AM
I agree with Nightmare. I think the numbers are optimistic. Guys I remember reading a couple of years ago that the new zx-14 had 200hp. Later it was actually claimed to have 190hp + 10hp with ram = 200hp. Then after several people got hold of them and dynoed them most were around 170 @ rear wheel. All this talk about the 198hp new busa is just that, "all talk" till we get hold of one.
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posted September 06, 2007 05:07 AM
There is no way in hell the 198hp at the crank numbers are without ram air. That would put the busa at a gain of around 20hp at the wheel which is damn near impossible from what I've heard about the bike. They are talking about how the new busa is 1hp better than the 14. The best stock mark I have ever heard of for a 14 is 175 at the wheel. If the busa is putting out 176 or so at the wheel stock than that would put it right around 198-200hp at the crank which is damn near the same amount the 14 makes with ram air.
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posted September 06, 2007 01:24 PM
Optimistic numbers on the Internet?!
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posted September 07, 2007 05:41 AM
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Optimistic numbers on the Internet?!
there you go again steve trying to scare people with your doom and gloom. The reality is that nobody would ever lie on the internet. This is the last bastion of true freedom in the world and the people who come here are all honest straightforward people just trying to escape from the boredom of there lives. And yes, your next door neighbor really IS into deviant sexual fantasies AND IS, of course, bysexual. She also really wants you to walk into her bedroom in the middle of the night and surprise her...
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posted September 10, 2007 06:28 AM
Good morning everyone... I am new to this site, but definately not new to riding. I have an 06 Busa, stock w/modified exhaust. The best I have gotten from mine is 179mph. I am sure that I could get 186 or maybe even 190 from her, but common sense (or fear) has held me back thus far. I agree with two statements here... 1. No new rider should be allowed to buy one of these high HP bikes, for a first bike. This summer, in eight rides, we have seen 5 new riders go down in the canyons... for stupid, new guy, mistakes that could have been avoided or at least minimized by lesser HP bikes. Both bike and rider scarred for life. 2. I dont believe in taking people's freedoms away, so I believe that if someone wants to ride with shorts, a t-shirt, and flip-flops they should be able to do so. I just think that there should be a special, fenced in lane devoted to those idiots. And they should be required to carry extra insurance, so that the rest of us dont have to pay increased insurance premiums for their stupidity.
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posted September 10, 2007 10:51 AM
Guys,
My personal ZX-14 made 195 RWHP before Maxton last year with only bolt on parts...I ran 198+ MPH (200 lbs suited) and Chad ran 200.92 MPH.
You can read my Maxton ZX-14 Diaries (Diary Part 3) here:
Diary Part 3- Maxton
We were widely acknowledged as the first completely stock production engine bike to break 200 + MPH at an official sanctioned event by those in the know in the land speed racing world.
FYI: THE BEST power we have ever made with a comparably equipped Busa is around 175 RWHP.
My valve cover has never been off the bike and I just made 195 HP again almost 1 year later. I'm VERY happy with my 14. (Note: 197+ RWHP with our new Alien Head prototype exhaust on the same day  
It will be interesting to see how much the new Busa "wakes up" after bolt-on mods compared to the 14 on the dyno and race track.
The good news is that we will know VERY SOON!
Brock
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Ps. I'm all about real world testing...and in my world we set all of our bikes up to run as fast as possible with the stock engine- at least at first!
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posted September 26, 2007 11:15 AM
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Guys,
My personal ZX-14 made 195 RWHP before Maxton last year with only bolt on parts...I ran 198+ MPH (200 lbs suited) and Chad ran 200.92 MPH.
You can read my Maxton ZX-14 Diaries (Diary Part 3) here:
Diary Part 3- Maxton
We were widely acknowledged as the first completely stock production engine bike to break 200 + MPH at an official sanctioned event by those in the know in the land speed racing world.
FYI: THE BEST power we have ever made with a comparably equipped Busa is around 175 RWHP.
My valve cover has never been off the bike and I just made 195 HP again almost 1 year later. I'm VERY happy with my 14. (Note: 197+ RWHP with our new Alien Head prototype exhaust on the same day 
It will be interesting to see how much the new Busa "wakes up" after bolt-on mods compared to the 14 on the dyno and race track.
The good news is that we will know VERY SOON!
Brock
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Ps. I'm all about real world testing...and in my world we set all of our bikes up to run as fast as possible with the stock engine- at least at first!
Hey Brock, a couple quick questions....
1. Why use STD correction factors on the dyno? I was under the impression that SAE corrections were not only more accurate, but also the industry "norm". Any particular advantage in using STD corrections other than the obvious shock value of a 4% higher horsepower reading over SAE?
2. When you coming back out to Maxton with your 14?
3. Will you sign my baby? J/K
Thank you for taking the time to read this!
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posted September 30, 2007 03:35 AM
haya 2008 : 197,7 cv
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zzr 1400 : 193 cv
BUSA WINNNNNNNNNNNNNNN loll
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posted October 06, 2007 02:10 PM
Stock vs Stock comparisons are not going to tell the whole story in this shootout. With all the EURIII emissions restrictions these bikes had to conform to, it's best to wait until both bikes can be ran on a dyno with a full exhaust, TRE, remap, and some ignition timing.
The one which makes the most power with these normal mods will be the true winner on the dyno. But more importantly, top speed and 1/4 mile tests to see which bike gained more real world PERFORMANCE. At the end of the day, that's all that counts.... and it can't be measured by any dyno.
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posted October 06, 2007 03:55 PM
agreed!
Stock to stock means nuthin, cause anyone who will be competitive wil have at least uncorked their bike!
Uncorked vs Uncorked.... bring it!
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