fish_antlers
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posted March 23, 2013 07:24 AM
Who will compete against the 14 with Suzuki gone? Discuss 2014 here...
Another blackbird? Will BMW make a 14 killer version of the S1000RR? What about Yamaha? They've done sweet fuck all with this segment of the market?
Discuss 2014.
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Big_T112
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posted March 23, 2013 07:29 AM
With motorcycle dragracing dying off, little to no events. seems for sportbikes roadracing is where its at. The younger guys coming up now look to the 1000. I think its the new bread and butter market. I think the big muscle bike market is over and there will be no others join in.
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carabuser
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posted March 23, 2013 08:22 AM
I dont think Suzuki is going anywhere, they will probably be back in a couple of years, they are restructuring, dont be surprised if they come out with something in a couple/ few years.
But Big_T112 is right, I live in So. CA and all I see around herenis 1000's and 600's (and of course, more than anything harleys)
Hardley ever see a 14 or a busa etc ....
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posted March 23, 2013 11:44 AM
One of the first S1000's BMW rolled out made 215hp, which they detuned to approximately 193. It doesn't appear they're going to bring out the higher HP motors until another manufacturer has something that'll beat it.
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shawnski
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posted March 23, 2013 01:30 PM
none of the above fish..
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posted March 23, 2013 01:31 PM
 Edited By: 1badzx12r on 23 Mar 2013 21:32
http://www.dragzine.com/news/ryan-schnitz-breaks-pro-street-motorcycles-six-second-barrier/
unless i missed something the zx14 ain't no match . seen any 6 second zx14's or 315mph zx14's..
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fish_antlers
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posted March 23, 2013 05:06 PM
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I dont think Suzuki is going anywhere, they will probably be back in a couple of years, they are restructuring, dont be surprised if they come out with something in a couple/ few years.
But Big_T112 is right, I live in So. CA and all I see around herenis 1000's and 600's (and of course, more than anything harleys)
Hardley ever see a 14 or a busa etc ....
But they are going - they are mid bankruptcy. That means sayonara sucka.
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indynic
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posted March 23, 2013 05:20 PM
quote:
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I dont think Suzuki is going anywhere, they will probably be back in a couple of years, they are restructuring, dont be surprised if they come out with something in a couple/ few years.
But Big_T112 is right, I live in So. CA and all I see around herenis 1000's and 600's (and of course, more than anything harleys)
Hardley ever see a 14 or a busa etc ....
But they are going - they are mid bankruptcy. That means sayonara sucka.
Not exactly...what that means is debt protection...which is a huge advantage, especially for their motorcycle and marine divisions.
It essentially forgives the debts they owe and allows them to move any capital towards investing in their MC, ATV and Marine divisions.
Basically, they are sticking it to their vendors that have given them products or services on credit terms and re-applying any monies to new investments. It happens all the time in American Business. Pretty much what Donald Trump is known for. Ever heard of the USFL? This just happens to be a very recognizable name that we are discussing.
I expect huge things from Suzuki in the next few years. They are going to attempt to re-establish dominance in sport bikes without the burden of a car company that is not making money.
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posted March 23, 2013 05:25 PM
Edited By: indynic on 24 Mar 2013 01:27
The only direction they have to go is total dominance. They have to establish their credibility again with the consumer. A Busa that just matches the zx14r (like they did with the 08 Busa, just matching the zx14) will not be enough to make their bankruptcy a distant memory. And it will only keep them one step behind Kaw.
Now go out there and drop a 1500cc Busa that put down 220 rwhp and 130 rwtq.....and see how many people remember a pesky little Chapter 11! 
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fish_antlers
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posted March 23, 2013 06:03 PM
But why bother ? They sell fuck all for motorcycles compared to cars, and they can't make it in either segment - so why dump cars for bikes when they can't turn a buck doing either?
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shawnski
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posted March 23, 2013 07:08 PM
fish i don't understand why you are so anxious to see suzuki goes down?? alot of workers gets effected by it here and there, from parts to accessories to people work at factory and dealerships...
you seem like you are enjoying this..
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fish_antlers
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posted March 23, 2013 08:10 PM
They're going down with or without my help, and I own 2 'zooks. Not sure how asking who will fill the void left by them is by any means offside. It's a valid question. Kawi and Suzuki have been battling it out for years. Now Suzuki is being kicked out of the ring.
Who will step up to be the next challenger?
Real question is - why are you avoiding picking a successor?
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BobC
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posted March 24, 2013 01:09 AM
They are still in the UK market with a line-up of thirty bikes and we haven't got any rumours circulating about them putting up the shutters. I assume it's just the American Suzuki Motor Corporation which filed for Chapter 11.
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carabuser
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posted March 24, 2013 09:04 AM
Edited By: carabuser on 24 Mar 2013 17:04
Suzuki is a small company compared to Kawasaki and honda etc .. I would hate to see them go, but if they cant make it, I am sure that the Japanese government isnt going to bail them out, like these idiots in this country did to GM and Chrysler ...
If they cant make it in their own, then thats the way it goes, my question is, why is yamaha still afloat ? nothing against yamaha,
but they have never had a bike like the busa or 14, and the R1 has never really been the leader of the pack for the 1000's .....
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posted March 24, 2013 11:32 AM
Couldn't care less.Been a Kaw guy since I bought a new Z-1 in 1975.And haven't looked back.The only thing that concerns me is Kaw having no completion they have no reason to improve their big bikes.
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posted March 25, 2013 08:53 PM
Maybe we'll see a CBR 1500 XX Blackbird in the near future!!
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posted March 26, 2013 07:40 AM
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Maybe we'll see a CBR 1500 XX Blackbird in the near future!!
Let's hope!
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indynic
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posted March 26, 2013 05:13 PM
Somebody will step up....Honda has the capital and the ability to be competitive in the open class but for some reason have chosen not to...
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