vernesoni23
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posted January 16, 2013 04:24 PM
Got my ECU reflashed today!
Went over to Guhl Motors and had my ECU reflashed today. What a nice guy Don is. I only live 10 minutes away so it was nice not having to ship anything out. The whole process took about ten minutes total and I was out the door. Also talked to Don about flashing my 2011 Ninja 1000 ECU and he was in. I am taking it over Monday and we are going to do some dyno pulls (not Monday) and see if we can get any more out of the bike. So far this winter I have gotten an AH2, Vortex Rearsets, Anotori Quickshifter, ECU Reflash, PCV, BMC Race Filter, Fender Eliminator, Smoked Screen and sevaral other bolt on goodies. I will be taking the bike to the dyno sometime in Feb. and I will be doing a baseline test before I put all the parts on. I will be sure to do same day same dyno testing on the BMC Race Filter as I know many on the forum are interested about the gain if any. I'll keep everyone updated.
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smokinZX14
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posted January 16, 2013 04:54 PM
Cool .. Don is a great guy ( loves to talk speed )
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KoflaOlivieri
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posted January 17, 2013 01:16 PM
Excellent!
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Lou_ZX12R
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posted January 18, 2013 12:54 PM
 Edited By: Lou_ZX12R on 18 Jan 2013 20:55
if you don't mind me asking what was done for the reflash? I'm looking at having mine done the fall of this year and so far the only things I'm looking into is to remove the 186mph restriction and have the files open a little sooner. I thought about raising the red line but I'm not looking to heavily modify my 14 since it is primarily my street bike. I've sent an email to guhl asking what the options are for a reflash just to get an idea of what would be good for the street but I have yet to get a reply.
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Wheelie
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posted January 18, 2013 01:11 PM
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if you don't mind me asking what was done for the reflash? I'm looking at having mine done the fall of this year and so far the only things I'm looking into is to remove the 186mph restriction and have the files open a little sooner. I thought about raising the red line but I'm not looking to heavily modify my 14 since it is primarily my street bike. I've sent an email to guhl asking what the options are for a reflash just to get an idea of what would be good for the street but I have yet to get a reply.
why not get every option you can when you get the flash, I want it all and the fan to come on at 190 degrees.
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carabuser
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posted January 18, 2013 01:48 PM
"I've sent an email to guhl asking what the options are for a reflash just to get an idea of what would be good for the street but I have yet to get a reply"
Me too, never got an answer, maybe ask brock, since thats where he gets the ones he does from, brocks always answers my e-mails, nothing against Guhl, just saying ...
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Bently
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posted January 18, 2013 02:27 PM
I called guhl 3 different times and he was willing to talk to me as long as we needed to to answer my Questions. I could not have had better service from Don.
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Wheelie
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posted January 18, 2013 02:34 PM
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I called guhl 3 different times and he was willing to talk to me as long as we needed to to answer my Questions. I could not have had better service from Don.
Emails and calling may be the difference in the quickest service,
wee
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Lou_ZX12R
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posted January 18, 2013 05:41 PM
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if you don't mind me asking what was done for the reflash? I'm looking at having mine done the fall of this year and so far the only things I'm looking into is to remove the 186mph restriction and have the files open a little sooner. I thought about raising the red line but I'm not looking to heavily modify my 14 since it is primarily my street bike. I've sent an email to guhl asking what the options are for a reflash just to get an idea of what would be good for the street but I have yet to get a reply.
why not get every option you can when you get the flash, I want it all and the fan to come on at 190 degrees.
wee
Well my problem is that I do not know what all the options are. My questions were very simple in the email I sent. 1. What is available for a reflash 2. What is best for street riding with the stock exhaust (possibly replacing later)?
I need to understand what the options are and what may suit me best before I have it done. I guess when I'm ready I will reach out to Brock as one pther member did.
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JLAudio11
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posted January 19, 2013 12:53 AM
Not to hate on guhl, but they're horrible about responding to emails or calling back. If you can get ahold of them on the phone, make sure to ask everything you want before they hang up. I assume they're just overworked. When I did talk to one guy he did seem helpful, just never got a call back.
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Goldwingmann
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posted January 19, 2013 08:08 AM
Very poor customer service, not a good way to keep those 375.00 checks coming for taking 10 seconds to plug your ECU into his computer! Maybe he is getting too big for his britches.
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carabuser
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posted January 19, 2013 10:24 AM
If you run a business, you need to find a way to get back to your customers, no one is that busy, that they never get back to their customers, or potential customers, just my HO .....
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vernesoni23
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posted January 20, 2013 05:38 PM
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if you don't mind me asking what was done for the reflash? I'm looking at having mine done the fall of this year and so far the only things I'm looking into is to remove the 186mph restriction and have the files open a little sooner. I thought about raising the red line but I'm not looking to heavily modify my 14 since it is primarily my street bike. I've sent an email to guhl asking what the options are for a reflash just to get an idea of what would be good for the street but I have yet to get a reply.
Sure, not a problem. When I went in Don said he could do basically whatever I wanted to do. He told me what the standard option for what I was looking to do was and I went with that. 500 increase in the rev limit, no top speed limiter, removed the "safety" mode in the first three gears and some additional mapping. Not sure of the specifics on that just the standard flash. He told me he has had guys raise the rev limit by 1000 but it really depends on what you are looking to do. There were approximately 50 ECU's of many different bikes on the counter when I walked in so I would say they are doing ok. I always had a tough time reaching them via phone or e-mail I never got a response. I just showed up at the front door lol.
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Lou_ZX12R
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posted January 20, 2013 05:48 PM
Thanks, i didn't know the first 3 gears are limited, is that do to the flys or something else? If the red line is raised do you need to have a pcv to handle the mapping or is that done with his additional setting s? I've read from others that raising the red line only and not mapping for it is a concern.
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Shane661
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posted January 20, 2013 05:53 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 21 Jan 2013 01:53
Don GUHL is tops. We have his Gen1 and Gen 2 products. 
Shane
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vernesoni23
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posted January 20, 2013 05:56 PM
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Thanks, i didn't know the first 3 gears are limited, is that do to the flys or something else? If the red line is raised do you need to have a pcv to handle the mapping or is that done with his additional setting s? I've read from others that raising the red line only and not mapping for it is a concern.
When I talked to Don about the PCV he said he could do mapping directly through the ECU. From the sounds of it he wasn't to keen on the PCV due to their "excessive failure rate". Now obviously the cons of this would be having to pull the ECU every time a map update was made available. The mapping for the just the raised rev limit is in the ECU once it is re-flashed.
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Lou_ZX12R
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posted January 20, 2013 07:07 PM
I'm keeping a list of these items and I'm waiting for your dyno results but what ever I decide GUHL will be where it gets done. All I have to do is set up a ride to PA and drop in. That will be one of my day trips.
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Goldwingmann
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posted January 21, 2013 06:27 AM
I think it would be helpful to see dyno charts side besIde each other of before and after to compare ECU rework by Guhl and iVAN.
This way we can see in writing, which rework may produce the highest HP and torque figures.
That would be ice cream on the cake to see who is really the Top Gun of ECU Re Flashing.
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Wheelie
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posted January 21, 2013 07:01 AM
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I think it would be helpful to see dyno charts side besIde each other of before and after to compare ECU rework by Guhl and iVAN.
This way we can see in writing, which rework may produce the highest HP and torque figures.
That would be ice cream on the cake to see who is really the Top Gun of ECU Re Flashing.
Call Brock, he should have the side by side dyno charts of the Guhl reflash.
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Goldwingmann
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posted January 21, 2013 07:30 AM
Edited By: Goldwingmann on 21 Jan 2013 15:31
I WANT TO SEE IVAN'S ECU RESULS ALONG SIDE OF GUHL'S...i HAVE GUHL'S I WANT TO SEE IVANS WITH THE SAME EQUIPMENT ON BOARD THE BIKE.
PIPES, MAPS, PC ETC.
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Johnnycheese
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posted January 21, 2013 08:06 AM
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I WANT TO SEE IVAN'S ECU RESULS ALONG SIDE OF GUHL'S...i HAVE GUHL'S I WANT TO SEE IVANS WITH THE SAME EQUIPMENT ON BOARD THE BIKE.
PIPES, MAPS, PC ETC.
who cares you can not have a proper tuned bike without flashing on that bike in real time.
and they do not want to give out the software PERIOD
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Goldwingmann
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posted January 21, 2013 08:17 AM
i CARE.....THAT IS WHY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE TWO DYNO CHARTS THE SAME BIKE, WITH THE SAME EQUIPMENT....AND ECU'S FLASHED FROM BOTH TUNERS TO SEE WHICH TUNER(S) MAPPING PRODUCES THE BEST HP AND TORQUE FIGURES WITH THE SAME EQUIPMENT...
WANT TO SEE IF BOTH OF THESE GUYS HAVE THE SAME MAP FLASHING OR IF ONE TUNER DOES A BETTER JOB FOR YOUR MONEY THAN THE OTHER.
IT IS A SIMPLE COMPARISON ONLY.....NOT ROCKET SCIENCE....JUST COMPARE TWO DIFFERENT TUNERS AND THEIR CHARTS.
WHO IS REALLY THE TOP GUN OF ECU TUNING......
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mick46
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posted January 21, 2013 09:20 AM
Fuck off shouting ...
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Johnnycheese
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posted January 21, 2013 03:05 PM
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i CARE.....THAT IS WHY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE TWO DYNO CHARTS THE SAME BIKE, WITH THE SAME EQUIPMENT....AND ECU'S FLASHED FROM BOTH TUNERS TO SEE WHICH TUNER(S) MAPPING PRODUCES THE BEST HP AND TORQUE FIGURES WITH THE SAME EQUIPMENT...
WANT TO SEE IF BOTH OF THESE GUYS HAVE THE SAME MAP FLASHING OR IF ONE TUNER DOES A BETTER JOB FOR YOUR MONEY THAN THE OTHER.
IT IS A SIMPLE COMPARISON ONLY.....NOT ROCKET SCIENCE....JUST COMPARE TWO DIFFERENT TUNERS AND THEIR CHARTS.
WHO IS REALLY THE TOP GUN OF ECU TUNING......
I guess you haven't read anything have you
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