quikgix
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posted January 04, 2013 07:12 AM
 Edited By: quikgix on 4 Jan 2013 15:15
Piston return springs vs light weight blinker fluid
I figure with light weight piston technology and heavy and light weight fluids this would be an interesting topic, I mean return springs would really help with the pistons not swapping holes at hi revs and of course the light weight blinker fluid would keep overall weight of the bike to a minimum and also help with the dynamics of brake spin up up.what are your guys thoughts on this? I might already have the answers but just need to know that I'm right regardless. Oh by the way we may need a muffler bearing installation guide posted on this thread.
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shiphteey
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posted January 04, 2013 07:18 AM
Maaaaaan we don't just GIVE AWAY RACING SECRETS YO!!!
Unless you promise not to shift pass 7500 rpms....then you are not a threat in the other lane.
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Lucky14
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posted January 04, 2013 07:25 AM
I'm no expert, but I've found that the pistons swapping holes on a V8 engine to be beneficial, but no real advantage on the inline 4's.
I have a formula that has worked for many years that shows the rpm's vs. swapping speed and the effects on power under the curve. Unfortunately, the lightweight return springs will limit reliability.
As far as blinker fluid, stick with synthetic of any major brand. My favorite is the BulbsOil less than zero, 'cause how can you get any lighter???
Please create a different thread for the muffler bearing guide as that is totally unrelated to the above 2 subjects.
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quikgix
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posted January 04, 2013 10:15 AM
But a heavier return spring could cause piston float and cause severe ring wear and it could also cause the crown of the piston to rotate improperly. The lighter spring is lighter. Less mass buddy. Get it?
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smokinZX14
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posted January 04, 2013 10:28 AM
I like syn grease on my muffles bearing , in fact a 1999 hobe cat muffler bearing works great on the ZX1400 .. Seems to make 8 HP just by swapping them out ..
Another mod is 3/4 race cams ... Seems having 1/4 of the cam ground off and laying in the oil pan gets you 10 HP and 115 MPG ..
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posted January 04, 2013 11:53 AM
Edited By: Beondwacko on 4 Jan 2013 19:54
Thank Goodness I ran across this thread.
I have a little secret to share too, but you must promise that it will remain in the confines of this forum, OK?
As it pertains to tire inflation, I prefer to use Hydrogen and a lot of it. By inflating the tires up to around 150 psi, It ends up reducing the overall weight of the bike by quite a bit. Also the added pressure nets me about a 6 mpg increase in my fuel mileage and the way the tires end up looking is super cool.
The only downside that I know of is that .50 BMG tracer rounds don't mix well with this set up, and neither do road flares ( running over a long row of them at least,,,,,,it's just a little hobby of mine).
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LOCK 909
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posted January 04, 2013 11:54 AM
I use 90wt. it's lighter than grease, cheaper to , more money for "beer" I will post up the weight saveing figures later as , scales are in pawn, needed money for ,sprocket and "beer" and some lighter tire's for my ZX10, still think my zx12 is faster than both , my zx10& zx14, feel's so by my but dyno!
I don't use the piston return spring's as the Kawi. engineers, did not install them at the factory, as I only street ride it would'nt be worth my time or the expense ! more money saved for eye candy!
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Lucky14
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posted January 04, 2013 12:01 PM
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But a heavier return spring could cause piston float and cause severe ring wear and it could also cause the crown of the piston to rotate improperly. The lighter spring is lighter. Less mass buddy. Get it?
Sorry, I forgot about piston crown rotation.
I think you neglected the importance of indexing the gudgeon pins. This is especially important if the pins are full floating, as the light springs will cause a lateral vibration. I only forgot to do that one time and the results were NASTY!
I might be able to post pics later.
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JZX
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posted January 04, 2013 12:51 PM
I once saw a brilliant aircraft mechanic recommend 30 wt oil and gauze pads, along with ball bearings.
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samin
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posted January 04, 2013 01:24 PM
Edited By: samin on 4 Jan 2013 21:25
Hi,
you can find cheap return springs from here http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=49
ZX14 springs are not listed, but I think universal kit fits, if you cut about one and half thread off.
There´s no blinker fluids available yet, but you can look flux capacitor kit instead. I´ve heard it´s awesome!
Kind Regards,
Sami N
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zixxer14
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posted January 04, 2013 02:08 PM
I can't believe all the valuable new info I've picked up in just this thread alone even after years of trolling. Thanks guys I'm impressed & will take pics of my progress when/if I ever figure out how to take/post them.
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Beondwacko
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posted January 04, 2013 02:54 PM
The blinker fluid,,,,, is it the polarity sensitive variety? I'd hate to put the fluid in backwards and have a possible short circuit.
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Beondwacko
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posted January 04, 2013 02:55 PM
Also, with the piston return springs,,,,, would they rust if I was using water injection?
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quikgix
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posted January 04, 2013 03:30 PM
It's has to be deionized water with a hint of lemon scent.
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quikgix
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posted January 04, 2013 03:31 PM
Blinker fluid will go both ways. It doesn't matter if its poured in from up high or down below.
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kawasakijockey
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posted January 04, 2013 03:37 PM
My piston return springs are stainless an hook to the bottom of the oil pan and a hole drilled through the rod bolt...
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vailes3705
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posted January 04, 2013 03:50 PM
I hear that in Feb. of this year, Royal Purple is releasing a "motorcycle specific" blinker fluid with a guaranteed (or your money back) 10hp gain at the rear wheel.....but only if you have your hazard lights on while on the dyno...it seems having all four blinkers on at the same time is what activates the go fast chemicals...I'm sure a formula can be found on the internet confirming this, I CAN'T WAIT!!!!!
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posted January 04, 2013 04:20 PM
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I once saw a brilliant aircraft mechanic recommend 30 wt oil and gauze pads, along with ball bearings.
"Come on guys,its all ball bearings.Maybe you need a refresher"
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zx14kawboi
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posted January 04, 2013 05:03 PM
the perpetual crankshaft is tops on my to do list
....it is good for a modest 150 mpg!!!!
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quikgix
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posted January 04, 2013 07:19 PM
I almost forgot,Ceramic muffler bearings are the hot seller right now,they are made with the highest quality spaceage moon crater dust ceramic particles and the cages that contain the balls is made from indistructable unobtanium found during the last lunar mission.
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GREYHOUNDMOSES
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posted January 05, 2013 12:07 AM
The lightweight blinker fluids are an expensive waste of money!
They are unstable and can cause gyration.
Bite the bullet and fit carbon fibre bulbs.
Much more reliable (not to mention the "bling" factor)
Let's face it, blinkers aren't a place you want to cut corners!
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Beondwacko
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posted January 05, 2013 01:59 AM
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The lightweight blinker fluids are an expensive waste of money!
They are unstable and can cause gyration.
Bite the bullet and fit carbon fibre bulbs.
Much more reliable (not to mention the "bling" factor)
Let's face it, blinkers aren't a place you want to cut corners!
Ya' have a good point there about the carbon fibre bulbs. I've been searching for a lightweight and attractive carbon fibre LED "bulb" in brown.
It ain't easy finding a brown bulb, not to mention a carbon fibre led one no less.
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