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posted January 03, 2013 07:09 AM
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shiphteey
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posted January 03, 2013 07:54 AM
 Edited By: shiphteey on 3 Jan 2013 15:57
I wonder how a 14...slightly lightened up ... would do against a slightly lightened up 12R.
If anyone on here has a slightly lightened up 14...preferably an 06-07 model .... preferably someone not much heavier than 160 or 170. It would be pretty scientific.
We can go from 60 mph in 2nd gear to 100.
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weighmaster
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posted January 03, 2013 09:04 AM
Edited By: weighmaster on 3 Jan 2013 17:21
osr, you STILL have "close to 10lbs..." listed now on your site as of noon (Eastern time) Jan 3rd which is way off. Also, if both rotorless rear wheels (10 vs. 14) have about a 3 pounds difference (about 15.8 vs. about 18.8 pounds), how can bolting on a rotor to each make that "magically" become a 5 pound difference? The ZX-10R rear brake rotor doesn't even weigh 2 pounds! I don't have a loose ZX-14 rear rotor here but let's suppose it weighs 2 pounds and the ZX-10R rear rotor weighs 1.5 pounds, that only makes up for 0.5 pounds difference, putting the total difference at 3.5 pounds between the ready to bolt up rear pair. 3.5 pounds is nowhere near your "close to 10lbs..." as you STILL have advertised which would imply the rear saving alone is close to 8 pounds because you already agreed with me the front only saves 2 pounds.
Let's make sure we are comparing the same parts... For the ZX-14 rear wheel, mine has R-0047 stamped on it. For my ZX-10R rear wheel, it has R-0012 stamped on it. Is that what you are comparing?
osr, are you saying that a 14 rear brake rotor is 3.2 pounds, about twice the weight of a 10 rear brake rotor? It would have to be to make your numbers "work" because the rotorless 14 rear wheel is only 18.8 pounds here so to get up to 22 pounds like yours, that would be one very heavy rotor which I doubt is anywhere near 3.2 pounds because the much larger front 14 rotors are only about 2.7 pounds (I have a loose one here). Are you using lead bolts or something like that?
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osr
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posted January 03, 2013 09:19 AM
From my site.
ZX10/ZX14 Wheel Conversion Kit
Convert your ZX14 over to light weight ZX10 wheels.
Weight Savings :
Front wheel with one rotor
ZX14 14.8 lbs
ZX10 12.8 lbs
Rear wheel with rotor and sprocket carrier
ZX14 22.0 lbs
ZX10 17.0 lbs
Kit is setup for 06-07 ZX10 wheels and rear brake caliper and hanger (you can use a 05-06 zx636 hanger with no mod) If you go with the ZX10 hanger you need to bore it to the zx14 axle or send it to us to do the work at no additional cost. Comes in a street kit (setup for brakes) or a grudge kit (no brakes). We also make a brake stop to use on aftermarket swingarms as well. Kit includes all spacers and bearings to fit the zx10 wheels.
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http://www.osrbikes.com/kawasaki1.html
From your email:
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Hi,
That is commendable because it is now consistent with your post elsewhere (in forums) stating 7 pound weight savings for the wheelset pair.
I took the wheel off my 06 model -- weighed it the pic i have posted is clearly a zx14 wheel with a brake rotor -- not 2 rotor less wheels. so STFU and I am done with you again
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weighmaster
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posted January 03, 2013 09:30 AM
Edited By: weighmaster on 3 Jan 2013 17:38
osr, you didn't answer my question about the 14 rear rotor. If you agree the rotorless rear wheels are 3 pounds different, how can slapping on 2 small rotors and a few bolts on each wheel make that jump up to 5 pounds? Well? Anyone else have an '06 or '07 ZX-10R rear wheel they can weigh that is stamped R-0012? Perhaps we need a 3rd person in here to crosscheck and resolve this discrepancy. Anyone have a loose 14 rear rotor and mounting bolts for it they could accurately weigh?
Even if somehow I got an exceptionally "heavy" 10 rear wheel and/or an exceptionally "light" 14 rear wheel, osr STILL has "Wheel Conversion kits are back in stock. Save close to 10lbs by putting the ZX10 light weight wheels on your ZX14. Kits are back in stock and ready to ship. " That is a direct quote from their site now at about 12:30 Eastern time Jan 3rd, 2013.
This is why I busted osr's chops because the wording is misleading. I am seeing 5 pounds difference in the pair, osr is claiming 7 pounds difference in the pair, but it it advertised as "close to 10 lbs...".
Would people here have issues with a lithium battery you paid $125 for that was advertised as close to 10 pounds lighter than the stock battery and then you get it in the mail and it is only 5 to 7 pounds lighter? I would! I guess my request to lower the price of your conversion kit was justifiable because your weight savings falls significantly short of your advertising of it according to my weighing. We would have to weigh many more wheels to get an average but I don't think that large gap would be closed taking an average which should only be fractions of a pound.
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osr
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posted January 03, 2013 09:40 AM
OK so your looking at a 3 month old blog post-- not where you order the part LOL
damn you busted my chops again -- business has really been down today due to you throwing me under the bus. shit what am i going to do.
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weighmaster
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posted January 03, 2013 10:04 AM
Edited By: weighmaster on 3 Jan 2013 18:11
Doesn't matter, people follow multiple links sometimes to get to the order screen and if they see "close to 10lbs..." along the way that is misleading.
Also, my ZX-10R rear rotor and hardware for it is 1.7 pounds on my accurate scale. I am curious to know how much the 14 rear rotor is also with hardware. I am guessing 2.2 pounds so that is only a 0.5 pound difference meaning if I bolted up rotors on both my 10 and 14 rear wheels, I would then see about a 3.5 pound difference between the pair.
Also you never answered my question from my direct email about how much weight does your conversion kit add from the spacers and other stuff? To be fair, you would have to let people know that too.
If people would really like to see pictures of both rotorless wheels on my scale (one at a time) I would be glad to post them here.
Hey wow I am an "expert class" now with my 100th post. No more parking attendant.
By the way, I weighed myself yesterday and I was 161 pounds which means suited up with helmet and jacket I should be under 170 which is great for my bike although I must say I am disappointed in the HP numbers of the 14 because my 10 had about 160 RWHP (SAE corrected) and would have been pushing only about 570 to 580 pounds with me on it. Maybe I should sell this behemoth of a 14 and buy a 10 back. No, bad idea. I like my 14.
Okay I am getting my camera ready to help prove my numbers. Check back shortly.
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shiphteey
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posted January 03, 2013 10:16 AM
Wonder how a slightly lightened 14 would do against a slightly lightened 12R. Hmmm.
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posted January 03, 2013 10:29 AM
Weighmaster-bater
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INTIMIDA2OR
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posted January 03, 2013 10:40 AM
Yikes.
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posted January 03, 2013 10:43 AM
What the hell is a zx 12?
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weighmaster
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posted January 03, 2013 10:44 AM
I have the pictures of both wheels on the scale and the ZX-10R rear rotor on the scale. I got 1.70 for the rotor (with hardware), 15.76 for the 10 rear wheel (no rotor no sprocket), and 18.83 for the 14 rear wheel (also no rotor no sprocket).
Again for emphasis the 10 wheel is stamped R-0012 and the 14 wheel is stamped R-0047.
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Lucky14
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posted January 03, 2013 10:57 AM
Edited By: Lucky14 on 3 Jan 2013 18:58
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Anyone recommend a certain image hosting site that is free?
I recommend google.com for answering difficult questions like this one.
Have you ever heard of it? It's great!
Just a little secret that I thought I would share with you and everyone here that has never heard of it! 
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posted January 03, 2013 01:17 PM
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What the hell is a zx 12?
Lol
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shiphteey
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posted January 03, 2013 01:17 PM
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What the hell is a zx 12?
Come to the Ohio Mile and find out.
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posted January 03, 2013 01:21 PM
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What the hell is a zx 12?
Come to the Ohio Mile and find out.
Midget races?
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shiphteey
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posted January 03, 2013 01:35 PM
quote:
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What the hell is a zx 12?
Come to the Ohio Mile and find out.
Midget races?
wee
LOL
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posted January 03, 2013 01:39 PM
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What the hell is a zx 12?
Come to the Ohio Mile and find out.
Midget races?
wee
LOL
I heard you're 3' 19"
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posted January 03, 2013 02:21 PM
you guys fukken kill me LOLOLOLOL
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weighmaster
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posted January 03, 2013 06:56 PM
Edited By: weighmaster on 4 Jan 2013 02:57
So I have pictures of both the 14 and 10 rear wheels on my scale showing only about 3.2 pounds difference (both with no rotor and no sprocket). If I post these pictures here on this site, then will you all believe me that I strongly question osr's weights? I agree it is possible he just happened to get a set of wheels with more of a weight difference so it would be nice if someone else had both a 14 and 10 rear wheel (both '06 vintage) and carefully weighed them and make sure they are set up the same. My previous difference was 3.1 pounds but I noticed some wheel weights on my 10 wheel so I removed them and now it is more like 3.2 pounds so I wanted to be accurate and fair.
Does anyone know the weight difference of a 14 rear brake rotor with 4 bolts vs. a 10 rear brake rotor also with 4 bolts and both '06 vintage? I suspect they are within 0.5 pounds of each other but I would like to confirm. I would hardly call that rotating mass though because that weight is so close to the center axle. According to Michelin, it takes 4 ounces saved in the rotor to equal 1 ounce saved in the tire (4:1 ratio).
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shiphteey
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posted January 03, 2013 08:12 PM
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What the hell is a zx 12?
Come to the Ohio Mile and find out.
Midget races?
wee
LOL
I heard you're 3' 19"
wee
AYYYOO ROY!!!!
WHEELIE JUST CALLED YOUR GRANDSON 3'18"!!!!!
Daz cold yo, he's only 12.
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shiphteey
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posted January 03, 2013 08:13 PM
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Does anyone know the weight difference of a 14 rear brake rotor with 4 bolts vs. a 10 rear brake rotor also with 4 bolts and both '06 vintage?
Yes.
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posted January 04, 2013 08:01 AM
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Does anyone know the weight difference of a 14 rear brake rotor with 4 bolts vs. a 10 rear brake rotor also with 4 bolts and both '06 vintage?
Yes.
Good answer!
Good answer!
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JZX
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posted January 04, 2013 09:00 AM
Edited By: JZX on 4 Jan 2013 17:02
Just to piss this guy off, I just weighed my spare rear ZX14 wheel, nothing on it except green powder coat.
20.03.
My scale is 100% accurate. This is a bare wheel- no weights, nothing on it.
Sounds like you need a new scale jackass.
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SteddyTeddy
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posted January 04, 2013 09:16 AM
Probably using a bathroom scale. LOL
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