Bently
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posted December 31, 2012 03:31 PM
I still think light silver paint on the wheels would reduce unsprung weight
  
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smokinZX14
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posted December 31, 2012 04:08 PM
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I still think light silver paint on the wheels would reduce unsprung weight
NO NO NO ..use gold paint , it's 1.2 OZ lighter per rim than silver ....
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posted December 31, 2012 04:31 PM
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I still think light silver paint on the wheels would reduce unsprung weight
NO NO NO ..use gold paint , it's 1.2 OZ lighter per rim than silver ....
I was looking at paint while I was at lowes, and they had. A super light green enamel. It was only 3.2oz for a can!(it was a small can, but light!!)
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posted December 31, 2012 04:36 PM
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I still think light silver paint on the wheels would reduce unsprung weight
NO NO NO ..use gold paint , it's 1.2 OZ lighter per rim than silver ....
I was looking at paint while I was at lowes, and they had. A super light green enamel. It was only 3.2oz for a can!(it was a small can, but light!!)
zx14ht bike used Krylon flat black boys, world class paint, kids, this must be the best on a $60,000 zx14.
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posted December 31, 2012 04:43 PM
I saved weight by draining half of the oil out of mine.
I just drained the left half, so the sight glass is still full, so it's OK.
I didn't have a scale, but my cousin said he thinks I saved about 1700 grams.
Remember that it is not just static weight, but it is rotating weight when it is wrapped around the crank so it helps more than you would think.....................
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weighmaster
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posted December 31, 2012 04:45 PM
 Edited By: weighmaster on 1 Jan 2013 00:52
Disappointing rear wheel weight difference of '06 ZX-10R vs. '06 ZX-14:
I have both of these rear wheels in my possession and the weight difference between them appears to be only 3.1 pounds. I weighed them with all 3 sets of bearings and the sprocket carrier and cush drive rubber but no rotor and no sprocket on either one. Here is what I got:
ZX-10R : 15.76 pounds
ZX-14 : 18.86 pounds
I saw elsewhere where people were claiming more of a weight difference but I am seeing only 3.1 pounds so this is why I don't trust other peoples weights and I check them myself.
So for me, it is not worth the hassle and expense to try to put an '06 ZX-10R rear wheel on my '06 ZX-14 to save a lousy 3.1 pounds. That is roughly equivalent to saving 1 pound in the rear tire which is MUCH cheaper and MUCH simpler.
Any comments on this? Shane (661)?
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smokinZX14
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posted December 31, 2012 04:51 PM
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Disappointing rear wheel weight difference of '06 ZX-10R vs. '06 ZX-14:
I have both of these rear wheels in my possession and the weight difference between them appears to be only 3.1 pounds. I weighed them with all 3 sets of bearings and the sprocket carrier and cush drive rubber but no rotor and no sprocket on either one. Here is what I got:
ZX-10R : 15.76 pounds
ZX-14 : 18.86 pounds
I saw elsewhere where people were claiming more of a weight difference but I am seeing only 3.1 pounds so this is why I don't trust other peoples weights and I check them myself.
So for me, it is not worth the hassle and expense to try to put an '06 ZX-10R rear wheel on my '06 ZX-14 to save a lousy 3.1 pounds. That is roughly equivalent to saving 1 pound in the tire which is MUCH cheaper and MUCH simpler.
Any comments on this? Shane?
Yes stop screwing around and order some BST wheels ..
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posted December 31, 2012 04:53 PM
Drain the tank too and make it 30 pounds lighter.
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posted December 31, 2012 04:55 PM
No I don't want BST wheels they are too expensive. Why would someone that is too cheap to purchase a full exhaust system "spring" for CF wheels? Not much logic there.
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posted December 31, 2012 04:56 PM
Gas is over rated ... Gas is 7 pound per gallon ... save 42 pound and use propane ..
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Wheelie
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posted December 31, 2012 04:57 PM
please start an oil thread!
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posted December 31, 2012 04:58 PM
Edited By: weighmaster on 1 Jan 2013 00:59
Actually, I think the draining the tank reply was sarcastic but I actually do that to some degree. Most of my ZX-14 rides are very local so even with 2 gallons of gas I have plenty of fuel so I am not sure if it is a 5 gallon tank but running 3 less gallons than a full tank should be good for about 20 pound saving or so. I'll be gearing the bike up too so I should get about 35 to 40 MPG even around town if I go easy.
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smokinZX14
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posted December 31, 2012 04:58 PM
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No I don't want BST wheels they are too expensive. Why would someone that is too cheap to purchase a full exhaust system "spring" for CF wheels? Not much logic there.
From what i have read in this thread someone doesn't have much logic to start with ... 
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posted December 31, 2012 05:02 PM
Edited By: Lucky14 on 1 Jan 2013 01:03
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From what i have read in this thread someone doesn't have much logic to start with ...
Ya beat me to it .............
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posted December 31, 2012 05:04 PM
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please start an oil thread!
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OK mobil one 10w20 ... shoot me now ...please ...
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posted December 31, 2012 05:06 PM
I think what you mean by that is you don't agree with what I am doing but it is actually very logical and systematic. I stated my goals clearly and I am making them happen. The bike is getting closer every day to what I want it to be and do. Just because my bike doesn't make 190 RWHP and doesn't have lots of aftermarket parts doesn't mean it is not a good bike. I am liking it more and more each day.
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Wheelie
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posted December 31, 2012 05:06 PM
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please start an oil thread!
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OK mobil one 10w20 ... shoot me now ...please ...
10w20 weight? is that on the scales? 10 or 20 pounds x 4 qts WOW..
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posted December 31, 2012 05:24 PM
hell, i strip the paint off the wheels for an easy 2.3452 lbs weight savings. Don't forget to grind off any extra raised letting molded on the wheel. No tire stem cap either and screw balancing them...that just ADDS weight!
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Birdkillr
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posted December 31, 2012 05:46 PM
Weigh, your on another forum as puck right?
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posted December 31, 2012 05:46 PM
Weightmaster, if I read your posts correctly so far you said you saved 2 pounds on the front wheel with the 10R wheel and it seems you were happy with that. Why is saving 3 pounds on the rear wheel not worth it? Granted there is more time involved in it I'm sure but if you're trying to do this on a "budget" meaning no expensive aftermarket wheels seems like you are skipping over a critical place to drop rotating mass. One that translates into more acceleration without wheelying as much as the lighter front wheel/tire combo induces.
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posted December 31, 2012 05:47 PM
Edited By: Romans on 1 Jan 2013 01:49
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jgi2SadY9MU
Walt Disney a made movie that showed tires made out of special rubber. Claim it was very light. They also claimed once installed you could Fly,,,,,,No, Really, Flubber was the name I think, great gas mileage. Unsprung weight that could not be measured needed no paint,,,,,,,, Ahhhhh, killing me,,, Sorry weigh I had to join in your making it to Easy. All in good fun of course
Happy New Years Guys. Cheers.
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posted December 31, 2012 07:19 PM
Edited By: weighmaster on 1 Jan 2013 03:22
Here is the deal...
Saving 2 pounds in the front wheel is justifiable because it is a direct swap, thus it is very cost effective. From what I have read, it just bolts up and you use the 14 brake rotors and you are good to go. Buying a 10 front wheel then selling the 14 front wheel should set me back about $50 tops.
The rear wheel swap from the 10 onto the 14 is not so simple and not as cost effective plus I am concerned about the strength. I also have concerns about chain alignment, brake rotor alignment... Also, more parts are needed to make it work such as a different caliper and hanger bracket. I think to make it all work would cost about 4 times as much as the front conversion ($200 instead of $50) and that is including selling the 14 rear wheel.
So the math is simple, $50 for 2 pounds of rotating mass saved = $25 per pound = good. $200 for 3.1 pounds of rotating mass saved = almost $65 per pound = not so good.
I am not worried about my 14 wheelying because I will be gearing it up so the 2 or 3 pounds less up front will be more than compensated for with the taller gearing. Even if it does wheelie, I can just shift early out of 1st (remember my shift light is set at 7500 RPMs) and then "hammer" 2nd gear which will likely NOT wheelie with the taller than stock gearing and I can even run a longer chain (+2 links) when I get my new rear custom sprocket which will help with that too.
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posted December 31, 2012 07:23 PM
Troll....
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posted December 31, 2012 07:31 PM
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weighmaster
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posted December 31, 2012 07:36 PM
My comments here in this forum are for the benefit of other readers and are mostly on topic. I weigh things carefully so as to not mislead anyone and to save other people the trouble of having to do it. I make sure my posts are accurate and have both good spelling and good grammar (but maybe not perfect).
Here is a link to the definition of troll. I don't seem to fit this definition based on my posts here in this forum.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)
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