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posted November 01, 2012 01:07 PM
Jim I'm not disagreeing with you in anyway and believe what you have put into your engine combos, all I did is repeat what Ryan told me. He didnt say there was 60k spent on the engine over the last few years. That 60k was spent on everything on the bike to get it where it is today. I did talk to Richard last night but not about this topic. I really can care less about this. 1bad is always talking down on folks that have zx14's. i like my zx14 its been a great bike. To each thier own. Oh and ive been to Richards shop several times and have seen Mikes bike. Lots of cool go fast parts on that beast.
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posted November 01, 2012 03:12 PM
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1bad is always talking down on folks that have zx14's.
you guys ain't folks but goobers that can't handle the truth 
disclaimer ..not all members just around 15 members on this forum are blind sheep following, kool-aid drinking, exhaust sniffing, sand pounding, fantasy land dreaming , nutswinging goobers...
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posted November 01, 2012 08:11 PM
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1bad is always talking down on folks that have zx14's.
you guys ain't folks but goobers that can't handle the truth
disclaimer ..not all members just around 15 members on this forum are blind sheep following, kool-aid drinking, exhaust sniffing, sand pounding, fantasy land dreaming , nutswinging goobers...
Wow a comedian,I didnt know dick heads had a sense of humor! DILLIGAF
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posted November 03, 2012 02:33 AM
man o' man, it's only beginning November and the crazed bench racing is in full swing!
I had an hour to kill so i read this whole topic.
conclusions:
1. ZX14R is highest hp hyperbike ever sold.
2. Jim Gilnack has developed a killer head/cam package which sets records (no surprise to me).
3. Bonneville records like Mike Garcia's are great but hard to compare with drag racing results. LOLOLOL.
4. Built Busas are faster than built Kawasaki's in LSR, but most people here are drag racers and couldn't give a shit about LSR.
5. bullshit is entertaining
6. apples to apples comparisons don't seem to be welcomed except by about 5 people on this thread.
karl
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posted November 03, 2012 04:00 AM
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man o' man, it's only beginning November and the crazed bench racing is in full swing!
I had an hour to kill so i read this whole topic.
conclusions:
1. ZX14R is highest hp hyperbike ever sold.
2. Jim Gilnack has developed a killer head/cam package which sets records (no surprise to me).
3. Bonneville records like Mike Garcia's are great but hard to compare with drag racing results. LOLOLOL.
4. Built Busas are faster than built Kawasaki's in LSR, but most people here are drag racers and couldn't give a shit about LSR.
5. bullshit is entertaining
6. apples to apples comparisons don't seem to be welcomed except by about 5 people on this thread.
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posted November 03, 2012 04:02 AM
Cant we all just get along?
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posted November 03, 2012 04:30 AM
Well put Karl.
The bottom line is the zx14 and busa will make the same power per cc..... the busa can just keep going bigger where the zx14 cant.
Also the zx14's are heavier bikes even in full grudge format.
Theres rumors of an all motor class for the MiRock series next year.
I hope its true.
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posted November 03, 2012 05:37 AM
Edited By: 1badzx12r on 3 Nov 2012 13:39
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4. Built Busas are faster than built Kawasaki's in LSR, but most people here are drag racers and couldn't give a shit about LSR.
karl
i covered that when i said theres never been a prostreet championship by a zx14 ..but just for you karl
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posted November 03, 2012 06:31 AM
You know, I love bench racing almost as much as racing, I guess it has something to do with my age. LOL but the first rule to keep a good bench race going is to be honest.
What do you think would happen if I went over to the busa site, and started saying Kawasaki's rule, do you think I'd have people chunk and rocks at me over there lol, you don't walk into a guys house and insult his wife and walk out the door and say, I don't know what the guys mad about.
Maybe at the track now, Busa have an advantage, but only because of the bigger cc.
But on the street Kawasaki's do rule, at least around here, we have a Thursday night bike night about 300 bike show up, after it's over it's show and tell, out of the 40 bike that leave together there were at least five 14 up front, four of them 14R not one of them that left with us was a new busa, there were busa there but they stayed in the back.
Kawasaki intent was not to build the fastest drag bike, but the faster street bike, and I think their success speaks for itself with both the 14R and the ZX10.
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posted November 03, 2012 06:52 AM
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Kawasaki intent was not to build the fastest drag bike, but the faster street bike, and I think their success speaks for itself with both the 14R and the ZX10.
Ken
last i checked the speed limit in America is 70mph in most places .. so KHI is encouraging people to break the law instead of taking it to a track ..http://www.ehow.com/list_7255605_texas-street-racing-laws.html
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posted November 03, 2012 07:18 AM
Edited By: RICH CRAFT 1 on 3 Nov 2012 15:20
I guess I like bench racing almost as much as racing, It probably has something to do with my age LOL. The first rule to keep a good bench racing going is to be honest.
what do you think would happen if I went over to the busa site, and said Kawasaki's rule, do you think they would throw rocks at me over there. LOL. You don't walk into a guys house and insulted his wife, and say, I don't know what your mad about.
Maybe at the track now the busa does have an advantage,but only because of the bigger cc.
But around here Kawasaki's do rule the street, we have a Thursday night bike night, where about 300 bike show up, after it's over, it's show and tell, of the 40 bike that leave together there is not one new busa in the pack. leading the pack up front or five 14 four of them 14R there were busa there but they stayed in the back .
Kawasaki's intent was not to build the fastest drag bike, but the fastest street bike, and I think their success speaks for itself with the new 14R . And the new ZX10.
Ken
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posted November 03, 2012 08:41 AM
How hard is it to understand that the new kwacker stock for stock is a little bit faster than the hayabusa over the 1/4 mile ,but with a bit of bolt ons or head work the things even out.
anyway ,there is not a lot between them if one is doing 8.4,and the other 8.5 so what?
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posted November 03, 2012 08:52 AM
not at all hard to understand; Zx14R is most powerful hyperbike ever made.
just as easy to understand is that once the modding competition starts, it ends with Busas winning every category.
Like Jim says, bigger motor wins when efficiency is about the same.
#1 WINNER: streetbike = 14R
#1 WINNER: big built bike = Busa
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posted November 03, 2012 09:00 AM
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not at all hard to understand; Zx14R is most powerful hyperbike ever made.
just as easy to understand is that once the modding competition starts, it ends with Busas winning every category.
Like Jim says, bigger motor wins when efficiency is about the same.
#1 WINNER: streetbike = 14R
#1 WINNER: big built bike = Busa
Same thing 1bad said but he's an asshole according to everyone. for what a guy can buy a gen 1 busa for and mod it it would make more hp then the 14r for alot less money. But I still chose the 14r because I did not want a built motor bike. I've seen low mile gen 1's for 4000.00
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posted November 03, 2012 10:35 AM
Edited By: RICH CRAFT 1 on 3 Nov 2012 18:45
I think to some people it's a mystery why Kawasaki does things the way they do ?
#1 why did they make a one-peace block ? you only have to ask the Busa guys that run nitrous and tried to over bore their cylinders 2 mm, they'll split down the middle,and if you run the old model block, you don't get the air bypass at the bottom of the cylinder like the Kawasaki's have.
#2 why didn't they put bigger buckets on the valve train, So I can run a big cam ? if you put bigger buckets, it's more weight, and more weight requires heavier springs, and that cost you horsepower.
#3 why didn't they open up the crank case, So I could run a bigger stroke ? Kawasaki' sales street bikes, not drag bikes, they may not be as stupid as you think! why would I go and buy a new bike If I can just make the one I have bigger? I'm sure you will see a bigger Kawasaki', if there's a need for it on the street.
Things are not as bad at the track as some would suggest, apples for apples and weight for weight were not losing any races. and there is over 6 million people in my neighborhood
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posted November 03, 2012 11:13 AM
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... But I still chose the 14r because I did not want a built motor bike...
badda bing!
I love building and running a big, very high strung, edgy NA motor, but no one can compete with the OEM's engineering & manufacturing expertise.
If i wanted a 200hp street machine, i'd much rather have it come that way from OEM with a warrantee, all the cooling & oiling details worked out.
On the other hand lotsa folks would rather buy a 165-185hp bike and bore it a lil, maybe stroke it a lil, maybe port it & cam it a little. Get their 200hp that way.
Hey, different strokes for different folks.
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posted November 03, 2012 12:12 PM
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not at all hard to understand; Zx14R is most powerful hyperbike ever made.
just as easy to understand is that once the modding competition starts, it ends with Busas winning every category.
Like Jim says, bigger motor wins when efficiency is about the same.
#1 WINNER: streetbike = 14R
#1 WINNER: big built bike = Busa
Same thing 1bad said but he's an asshole according to everyone. for what a guy can buy a gen 1 busa for and mod it it would make more hp then the 14r for alot less money. But I still chose the 14r because I did not want a built motor bike. I've seen low mile gen 1's for 4000.00
i'd like to know where these zx14 motors are like this for that price.. http://www.psychobike.com/forums/garage-sale/87851-gen1-freshbuilt-1441-engine-4-sale.html
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posted November 03, 2012 02:19 PM
"Same thing 1bad said but he's an asshole according to everyone. for what a guy can buy a gen 1 busa for and mod it it would make more hp then the 14r for alot less money. But I still chose the 14r because I did not want a built motor bike. I've seen low mile gen 1's for 4000.00"
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gen1 zx14 or busa low miles for 4k??? where did you see one ? i like to buy one right now??
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posted November 03, 2012 02:52 PM
http://houston.craigslist.org/mcy/3377749011.html
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posted November 03, 2012 03:03 PM
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"Same thing 1bad said but he's an asshole according to everyone. for what a guy can buy a gen 1 busa for and mod it it would make more hp then the 14r for alot less money. But I still chose the 14r because I did not want a built motor bike. I've seen low mile gen 1's for 4000.00"
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gen1 zx14 or busa low miles for 4k??? where did you see one ? i like to buy one right now??
know a guy that just bought a 2004 busa for 4200 that had 10987 miles and full yosh system. there was just one on psycho bike for 4700 obo. not hard if you spend some time looking. not sure about a 14 but to me a 06 or 07 is a 4500.00 to 5500.00 bike now. hell my buddy bought an 08busa at the start of summer with exhaust and new tires and 3800 miles for 7200.00. used bike prices are still cheap if you take your time and shop around.
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posted November 03, 2012 03:50 PM
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3200 for that?? missing fairing and needs injectors and when you see it in person.: needs tires, brake pads, tune up, new battery, fork seal... list goes on and on and on..
NO THANKS
p/s.. i like the way the right can ( muffler) positioned.. LMAO
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