Bishopzx12
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posted August 21, 2012 06:32 AM
50 shot for a 14r
What shots can be run safely on a stock zx14r. I am looking into putting a 50 shot on my 14r. I plan on using the MPS spider system. I will either be using MR12, 110 oct, but at a bare minimum 93oct fuel. As far as tuning goes I plan on using the brocks pump track map or the brocks track map until I get it to a dyno for a full tune. I was wondering what were your thoughts on this? I remember years ago when adding a 40-50 shot dry the general consensus was there was no need for a custom map just bump up your fuel 2 bars in the mid and high range of the Power Commander and it should be safe. Would you think this to still be true on the 14r
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Rich
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posted August 21, 2012 06:54 AM
 Edited By: Rich on 21 Aug 2012 14:54
On my 07:
I started with adding 3 for each 10 shot on the PCV map where I wanted the shot to come in. A + 9 on fuel for a 30 shot in the 100% TPS column for starters. The data logging comes in handy here.
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posted August 21, 2012 06:54 AM
I would not go more than 40 ... add 12 to 15% 6000 rpms up at 80% throttle to 100%.. Use a window switch and don't turn it on before 6500 RPMs and shut it off before the limiter ..
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posted August 21, 2012 07:46 AM
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I would not go more than 40 ... add 12 to 15% 6000 rpms up at 80% throttle to 100%.. Use a window switch and don't turn it on before 6500 RPMs and shut it off before the limiter ..
Smoking i am a little confuse on what you were saying on the 80% to 100% throttle. Also on the % increase in fuel would you do it on the map itself or just via the front face buttons of the PCV
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quick6
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posted August 21, 2012 08:44 AM
dont use mr12 on the gas. doesnt have enough octaine. i personally wouldnt go over a 30 shot without valve springs.
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Bishopzx12
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posted August 21, 2012 08:54 AM
So what about come good old c16 in the tank or some 110. I think that would help eliminate the detonation. I have 110 readily available at the pump at a local gas station plus a few gallons of c16 left over. Go up about 3 bars on the PCV in the mid and high range and give it a whirl down the 1320
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posted August 21, 2012 09:18 AM
$13,000 bike and no custom map for nitrous? I would spend the $$ for a tune and valve springs you know will work and not blow your sh!t to smithereens. My gen 1 makes 261hp with 60hp jets. We saw 75 with this jetting on an Adams spray bar
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posted August 21, 2012 09:38 AM
Edited By: BLK ICE on 21 Aug 2012 17:49
let us know how it works out for you.
IMO, everyone that has replied to your post, so far, is a 100% right!
Have it tuned by a pro, depending on fuel, 50 may reqiure a little timing pulled (your c/r is higher on the 14r.)
And remember, everyone with a dyno is not a pro.
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Bishopzx12
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posted August 21, 2012 09:44 AM
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$13,000 bike and no custom map for nitrous? I would spend the $$ for a tune and valve springs you know will work and not blow your sh!t to smithereens. My gen 1 makes 261hp with 60hp jets. We saw 75 with this jetting on an Adams spray bar
Yes I paid 13000 for my bike but what does that have to do with what I’m trying to accomplish. I’m not new to nitrous.. I have a new generation dodge charger which i am able to spray up to 400 on it and still drive it daily, so i know all about preparing a motor for nitrous. I was just unsure of what the zx14r could handle. If you notice in my post i stated that this would be temporarily till I get to a dyno. In the long run i plan on do a head a 2mm kit soon so i was just looking to do a quick power increase to see if I gain some more E.T. for the season. Not saying its right but i sprayed 80 hp dry on a 1270 zx12r with no valve or fuel upgrades for years and the motor is still going strong, oh and that was without custom mapping. Anyways thank for the advice I think I may just do a 40 shot with some good fuel and fatten her up via the PC till I do my winter build
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Bishopzx12
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posted August 21, 2012 09:46 AM
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let us know how it works out for you.
IMO, everyone that has replied to your post, so far, is a 100% right!
BLK ICE
Thanks BLK ICE, looking at your comment maybe i should just do a 30hp like one of the other members said but that dam smoking got me thinking 40hp,lol
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posted August 21, 2012 10:23 AM
I had a 30 on my 08 and it went from running 9.70s to 8.90s and 144 NA to 153 on the 30 shot but was stretched out for the nitrous passes so it will add some fun to the mix
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Bishopzx12
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posted August 21, 2012 10:53 AM
Slow14 you made my day.. I think that 30 shot may be the way to go for now until i get her dialed in the right way
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posted August 21, 2012 02:22 PM
I second 30hp on the pump gas with 12%-15% fuel added to be safe..
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cas15
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posted August 21, 2012 02:38 PM
im using a spider kit with a 60 shot and the nms 1000 nitrous controler with a wide band and a custom nitrous map. my controler is set up if it leans out to much it shuts the nitrous off . my bike aint dail in yet lol i only use it when i have to.
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Bishopzx12
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posted August 21, 2012 04:52 PM
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im using a spider kit with a 60 shot and the nms 1000 nitrous controler with a wide band and a custom nitrous map. my controler is set up if it leans out to much it shuts the nitrous off . my bike aint dail in yet lol i only use it when i have to.
That is where i hope to be, i assume it all on stock interenals. After my build i woud liek to be able to do a 75-80. Wodl love to be able to touch the low 8's to high 7's with nitrous being the only power adder
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posted August 21, 2012 07:16 PM
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im using a spider kit with a 60 shot and the nms 1000 nitrous controler with a wide band and a custom nitrous map. my controler is set up if it leans out to much it shuts the nitrous off . my bike aint dail in yet lol i only use it when i have to.
That is where i hope to be, i assume it all on stock interenals. After my build i woud liek to be able to do a 75-80. Wodl love to be able to touch the low 8's to high 7's with nitrous being the only power adder
yeah stock internals for now. a friend of mines had a 80 shot stock internal with nms 1000 controler with a custom map but he only sprayed it about 8 times . he was around 65 w/b and the bike went up in second gear and u know the rest. now we parting the bike. so i would do things right the first time out. push that tire back and if they say play with the internal listen. this site is very helpful good luck.
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posted August 22, 2012 03:02 AM
cas15, i totally understand. I will do it right. I am at 68-69" wheel base now with enough arm to go about another 3". If i get up into a shot bigger than a 40 i will put a controller on it for sure. I am a fan of a nitrous controller but dont see the need on small shots. I will either use the schnitz or the NOS 2 stage mini. I have that one on my car and it been flawless.
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posted August 22, 2012 07:59 AM
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cas15, i totally understand. I will do it right. I am at 68-69" wheel base now with enough arm to go about another 3". If i get up into a shot bigger than a 40 i will put a controller on it for sure. I am a fan of a nitrous controller but dont see the need on small shots. I will either use the schnitz or the NOS 2 stage mini. I have that one on my car and it been flawless.
use a controller even with small shots. a 40 on the button all at once is alot harder on the bearings. when nos is progressed in correctly its so smooth it feels lime all motor. were fixing to redo the whole nos system on the grudge bike. going with the won revo system.
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Bishopzx12
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posted August 22, 2012 08:31 AM
Quick i agree on the progression but in my expereince a dry kit almost give you that experience as well. Unlike my car that is directly injected. I iwll still look into a controller thugh becasue you are right it is easier on the bearing. what kit are you talking about that you are goging with i never heard of it
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posted August 22, 2012 08:52 AM
I did not read everyone post but reply to OP.
50 shot yes but don't fog use a spray bar. Don't use 93 if your spraying especially for long times. c16 has worked awesome for me.
Yes you need a good TUNE!
PCV works awesome cause you can have a motor map and nitrous map that it will auto switch.
I would have a data logger or at a minimum a A/F gauge so you know if it starts to run lean and can back off before it melts.
If you have any warrenty on the bike it will be voided. Trust me they know when you run nitrous.
Good luck!
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Bishopzx12
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posted August 22, 2012 09:32 AM
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I did not read everyone post but reply to OP.
50 shot yes but don't fog use a spray bar. Don't use 93 if your spraying especially for long times. c16 has worked awesome for me.
Yes you need a good TUNE!
PCV works awesome cause you can have a motor map and nitrous map that it will auto switch.
I would have a data logger or at a minimum a A/F gauge so you know if it starts to run lean and can back off before it melts.
If you have any warrenty on the bike it will be voided. Trust me they know when you run nitrous.
Good luck!
Good stuff, i am not gogin to use a spray bar rather the spyder kit by MPS.. I also agree on C16 it is a great fuel for assurance when on the button.
As far as warranty whats that,lol
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Bishopzx12
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posted August 22, 2012 09:59 AM
Just to be curious what do other on here think about E85 and nitrous. Or E85 and good N/A tune
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quick6
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posted August 22, 2012 02:53 PM
its the wizards of nitrous kit revo system. does away with jets. its a pretty bad system but it has a bad price tag. around $3000 for everything. but when youre searching for every tenth and adjustability it offers we feel like its worth it. just proof you will never run out of things to buy for these bikes.
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posted August 22, 2012 02:57 PM
I run Q-16 in my 08 spraying 54 hp it's a very safe nitrous fuel, but it will hurt the performance without the gas. I wouldn't spray anything pass a 40 shot without valve springs personally. I spray a 25 shot on my new 14 with pump gas. It made 238 hp.
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Bishopzx12
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posted August 30, 2012 03:14 AM
I have a two part question. One I am thinking I am going to go ahead with a 30 shot for now I plan on using a controller as well. I will either use com pump 93, pump 110, or some c16. I may even try some Q16 per audio's sugestion. I was told that on a 30 shot the brocks race map should be enough fuel but I just wanted to get some input from you guys. In the pass running a 40 shot on my 12 there was very few thing that need to be done as far as additional fuel moth relied on the ECU to sense the cool air and add extra fuel. I plan on adding a little extra fuel to be on the safe side because I cannot get to a dyno probably for another month or so but would like to test out the 30 shot. Traditionally I have added a few bar like 2-3 in the mid range and all bars on the high I think each is a 2-3% change so I think it would be pretty rich. Any thoughts from you guys? I was also told that with good fuel such as 93oct or above that for a shot small as a 30 I should not need any fueling changes. I tend to think that could be true but when spraying I plan to run a minimum of 110.
Secondly I have read that some of the new PCV have what they call a map switcher function built in. How is this used and what do I need to do to take advantage of it. I would like to have this available so I can switch between a slightly richer map for spray and my N/A map.
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