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posted August 19, 2012 07:33 AM
What does Brock say about this? Is he working on it?
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posted August 19, 2012 08:40 AM
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So you're saying that going back to stock gearing...and no other changes is correcting this deal?No ecu change affects it...????Factory gearing or not.No mapping...only the gear?
No offense man, but I put that in my initial post on the matter. You have been debating it for a week...without reading what I wrote?
http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=27&TID=69000&set_time=
Shane
He keeps saying mapping. No offense Blue, you are not affected by this and your bike is great with whatever gearing changes you have made...I wish I could say the same thing. You would know IMMEDIATLY if you were affected. This is not something you can re-create, it has to be there. Unfortunately several of us are not so lucky, and our bikes hesitate and sputter in the lower gears, and it is borderline unsafe when going around an off ramp about 50 in second gear and it starts sputtering.. The problem is ECU, or sensor related and it is quite frustrating....
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posted August 19, 2012 11:51 AM
Edited By: blue07 on 19 Aug 2012 20:02
Ya...it's being debated..I guess.I'm just trying to wrap my mind around an ECU issue.No one has called Kawasaki to ask about this deal?I would be....in Irvine,California...that guy there,he's cool and knows his shit.He's the Rep for the Western US.I'm as curious about this thing as you are.If there was an ECU problem...they'd want to know about it.Or a KTRC issue.
I talked to him before about some stuff with my other 14...he was very helpful.
And SENO...I don't mean any offense either...honestly...but you posted that your problem was fixed...now you post up..."I wish I could say the same"...okay...so what IS going on?Why not get another ECU...put it in there..see what it does?How about the shop...they have another 14 sitting in there?Ask em....I would...(and have) on other things related to my 07 when I had her.
And no,Shane...you didn't do that...you changed GEARING...but NOT ecu's.So saying it's ecu related is at this point...unfounded.No offense.And IF you had a PCV or whatever...you did nothing with that either...right?Only gearing.So you have THREE possible sources of problems here....and you're staying with ONE resolution.That's all I'm saying....it COULD be something besides a gearing fix OR an ECU.
I would...remove PCV or whatever fueling deal you have.Reinstall to stock ecu....change gearing to 43 rear or whatever it is when this happens.Ride it.If it's GONE..then I'd go with the easiest part...change the ECU to the flashed one or whatever.See what that does.If THAT works...reconnect the fueling module.See what THAT does.Trying to guess at this is actually getting nowhere for you guys.I'm a bit surprised you haven't done these things so far.I'm not trying to needle you....it's just that it seems so obvious to me anyway that it's being talked about...but not resolved in any way.Which is fine...actually.
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posted August 19, 2012 11:58 AM
Blue none taken, we seem to all be adults here. Yes my hesitation stutter has disappeared since I put the stock sprocket back on, unfortunately I would like to use the vortex 43T I got for it.... That is not possible at this point and time, not the end of the world.... I might just say fuck it and let my kids use it like a Chinese star and try and stick it into the tree.
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posted August 19, 2012 12:01 PM
BTW, I called Kawasaki and they said that the dealers have a Tech line that they can call... So I will ask my friend at the dealer to call in and see if there is a fix that they are aware of.
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posted August 19, 2012 12:04 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 19 Aug 2012 20:05
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And no,Shane...you didn't do that...you changed GEARING...but NOT ecu's.So saying it's ecu related is at this point...unfounded.No offense.
Look. you don't know WTF you are talking about. And I hope that offends you. I know a little more about this issue than you do, from various sources (and testing on my own bikes), and honesfly you have no vested interest in this issue, other than to argue.
Read, man. You have been debating this shit like an idiot without even reading my initial post on the matter.
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posted August 19, 2012 12:09 PM
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I would...remove PCV or whatever fueling deal you have.Reinstall to stock ecu....change gearing to 43 rear or whatever it is when this happens.Ride it.If it's GONE..then I'd go with the easiest part...change the ECU to the flashed one or whatever.See what that does.If THAT works...reconnect the fueling module.See what THAT does.Trying to guess at this is actually getting nowhere for you guys.I'm a bit surprised you haven't done these things so far.I'm not trying to needle you....it's just that it seems so obvious to me anyway that it's being talked about...but not resolved in any way.Which is fine...actually.
Dear Fucktard,
I changed the sprockets back-to-back, 15 minutes apart. Only change. Do you think a sprocket change affects mapping? Did you read that people with bone stock bikes other than a gear change are having the problem?
Apparently not, or you are just too fucking stupid to comprehend what that means.
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posted August 19, 2012 12:11 PM
I'm just trying to offer some options here...not make accusations..I think you know that.I want you to be able to use any gearing you want...I do.I thought about this thing....why certain bikes would be having this problem.I bought a new ECU...unflashed...a while back.Factory.Never been in a bike(that I know of)...I put it in mine...just to compare with my flashed one.It worked(works) fine...with my 43 gearing and mapping and all.Hard to believe Kawasaki wouldn't put a recall notice on these offending ECU's if it was a traffic hazard as you mentioned.I can see that being dangerous....they certainly don't want people getting killed trying to pass cars and such...especially at 50 mph...not good.They KNOW we're gonna regear our bikes.So modding these birds...they know that already.You would think they would tell us...'Okay guys...look...the 'this and this' won't work good if you do 'this or this' to the new bike"....And then offer something for a workaround or whatever.If it's something dangerous...you KNOW they want to know about it.Just like the frame cracks.The more people call and tell em about this cutting out thing...the quicker they're gonna address it.Maybe they already have with the 2013's?
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posted August 19, 2012 12:13 PM
Edited By: blue07 on 19 Aug 2012 20:16
"Do you think a sprocket change affects mapping?"...whatever.It's your bike.Your problem.
"Apparently not, or you are just too fucking stupid "....you fix it then...you're the expert.Shoulda had this worked out long before this.
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posted August 19, 2012 12:14 PM
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"Do you think a sprocket change affects mapping?"...whatever.It's your bike.Your problem.
Does that mean you are going to STFU now? If so, awesome.
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posted August 19, 2012 12:17 PM
Edited By: blue07 on 19 Aug 2012 20:19
And just why are you so pissed about me offering logical options here?Maybe some of these guys want another take at this deal....before they spend a bunch of moola on their rides trying to 'fix' something.
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posted August 19, 2012 12:21 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 19 Aug 2012 20:22
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And just why are you so pissed about me offering logical options here?
Logical? You're kidding, right?
You keep saying the same stupid shit, talking about your bike not having an issue, suggesting it is the mapping....over and over. And you don't even read what people are posting. You know, the people who have the issue.
At this point, you are about 10000x more times irritating than the actual issue at hand. Why don't you call Adams Performance and tell them some of your great ideas....you must be smarter than they are.
So, please, STFU already. Thanks! 
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posted August 19, 2012 12:26 PM
Edited By: blue07 on 19 Aug 2012 20:29
Put me on ignore then...you won't 'need' to read any of my stuff.Problem SOLVED.Isn't that what you want...problem solved?
"Why don't you call Adams Performance and tell them some of your great ideas....you must be smarter than they are"....WHY would I want to do that?I'm not trying to be smarter than anyone....just offer some suggestions...that's all..
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posted August 19, 2012 12:28 PM
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Put me on ignore then...you won't 'need' to read any of my stuff.Problem SOLVED.Isn't that what you want...problem solved?
No, I've decided that I want to laugh at your stupidity. Keep posting.
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posted August 19, 2012 12:31 PM
Edited By: blue07 on 19 Aug 2012 20:34
Do you have a fueling module on yours?
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posted August 19, 2012 01:15 PM
all i know is before i had the ecu flashed and the PCV installed i had the 43T vortex sprocket and it was still doing before they were installed on the bike.
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blue07
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posted August 19, 2012 01:27 PM
Well..that settles that then.It's not the ECU or the Fueling...it's the sprocket deal....affecting the ecu....
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posted August 19, 2012 02:00 PM
My guess, and only a guess, is that this it totally related to the ECU reading the wheel speed sensors. And thinking that there is wheel spin.
Does this happen when the KTRC is in the off position?
Does this only happen when you add teeth to the back?
Rickey G uses a 40T in back right!?! Does his bike stumble?
Meaning, how does the bike react in "2" mode when you crank it on, or are in gravel?
Same way running a bigger sprocket in 2nd gear?
My guess is that you'll need to change the rear sensor ring when you change sprockets.
To how many "slots" I have no idea.
The ECU need to "see" "X" amount of pulses to "X" amount of pulses front and rear. Instead it's seeing "Y" rear and "X" front. Causing the ECU to say whoa!
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posted August 19, 2012 02:00 PM
My guess, and only a guess, is that this it totally related to the ECU reading the wheel speed sensors. And thinking that there is wheel spin.
Does this happen when the KTRC is in the off position?
Does this only happen when you add teeth to the back?
Rickey G uses a 40T in back right!?! Does his bike stumble?
Meaning, how does the bike react in "2" mode when you crank it on, or are in gravel?
Same way running a bigger sprocket in 2nd gear?
My guess is that you'll need to change the rear sensor ring when you change sprockets.
To how many "slots" I have no idea.
The ECU need to "see" "X" amount of pulses to "X" amount of pulses front and rear. Instead it's seeing "Y" rear and "X" front. Causing the ECU to say whoa!
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posted August 19, 2012 02:03 PM
the slots arent on the sproket side but on the brake side...ill check to see if it does it with the KTRC off
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posted August 19, 2012 03:18 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 19 Aug 2012 23:20
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My guess, and only a guess, is that this it totally related to the ECU reading the wheel speed sensors. And thinking that there is wheel spin.
Does this happen when the KTRC is in the off position?
Does this only happen when you add teeth to the back?
Rickey G uses a 40T in back right!?! Does his bike stumble?
Meaning, how does the bike react in "2" mode when you crank it on, or are in gravel?
Same way running a bigger sprocket in 2nd gear?
My guess is that you'll need to change the rear sensor ring when you change sprockets.
To how many "slots" I have no idea.
The ECU need to "see" "X" amount of pulses to "X" amount of pulses front and rear. Instead it's seeing "Y" rear and "X" front. Causing the ECU to say whoa!
As stated, it does it with TC off. And does not do it with smaller sprockets. There is no wheelspin.
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posted August 19, 2012 03:37 PM
Shane, Have you unhooked the wheel sensors and left them unhooked and checked to see if the issue still happens?
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posted August 19, 2012 10:07 PM
Edited By: blue07 on 20 Aug 2012 06:12
? "Causing the ECU to say whoa!"...I must have gotten a faulty ECU then.(I mean...2 ECU's)..mine isn't reading any problem?Maybe that's the whole thing here....the ones not doing this are defective....????
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posted August 20, 2012 12:33 PM
Edited By: blue07 on 20 Aug 2012 20:36
I tried again last night to see if I could create this engine deal.My engine temp(s) were in the 150 range.I downshifted into second...holding at 2K...I opened her up hard...there WAS a teensy 'catch' sound and feeling...for a second.2K in second gear is very close to a lug situation with mine...with that 43 rear.I did the same thing again in 1st....1500K....opened er up...she did have a tiny feel of 'miss'...I guess you could call it that.Then I went back to 2nd....gently applied throttle at about 2k,maybe a bit lower.She pulled fine...did this same thing in 1st,then second again...then 3rd...low rpms starting point.I couldn't get a stumble....only something that felt like chain slack...but my chain is adjusted fine.IDK...maybe the slipper somehow?I also get a teensy 'catch' feeling when I first pull the clutch all the way in on any given ride...after I do that...it goes away...so...perhaps the slipper is just 'adjusting' or something while I ride.IDK.Hasn't caused any issues...yet.
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posted August 20, 2012 03:39 PM
hey blue kiss my ass, u are so dead set on being a asshole . an ecu does timing tc fuel basicly every thing, if gets gliched it will studer with certen things. trust me im ase cert on cars and deal with it every day. if any of ur freinds has a 12 zx14r try swaping them. check all grounds . is there a way to completly disable the tc? like fuse
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