fullzx12r
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posted November 11, 2012 02:42 AM
no pictures of your 2013 red version : STOCK ???
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cliffrandall
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posted November 11, 2012 05:22 AM
 Edited By: cliffrandall on 11 Nov 2012 14:26
Here's the only completely stock picture you'll ever see of my bike - 20 minutes later it was in pieces!
Big 'pet peeve' when it comes to re/re on bodywork, as such we removed all of the internal rubber work etc to help facilitate the process of not only finding the contact points but of putting newly painted bodywork back on the bike without messing it up. Other stuff like the lower plastic belly panel, chain guard, extra meat on the rear foot peg holders (including the rear foot peg) are all goners, never to be seen again.........Cool mod #145 - a 530 DID gold chain with black powder coated Vortex sprocket (17/38 for top speed stuff or if no room on swing arm, an 18/40 combo) we'll install them next week with the BST c/f wheels (in for a sexy gold 'trim rim' right now). Must do as well, gold paint on the inner brake rotors - very GP against the black rims.
This just in - big problem putting braided lines on this 2013 'antilock brake system', there are no thread fittings on the 'steel junction boxes' from the caliper and MC, friggin system runs the length of the bike - lots going on with these brakes need to figure it out. I'll talk to Spiegler about it next week -how we do it? Any thoughts you might have are welcomed.
Muzzy lowering kit is in place - front comes up 1 3/4" then the fork tube taper hits the triple clamp - that’s it, no lower without strapping. Muzzy arms took us down 3" out back, bike now sits flat very cool! Had to immediately re-cut (2" out) weld then powder coat the side stand.....Lowered bikes feel and look great (love my feet flat on the ground) just remember to be cautious of the reduced clearance in a tight turn. Test it first so you know your limit.
Cliff
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cliffrandall
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posted November 11, 2012 06:13 AM
Stock 2013 exhaust system on the scale at Tricked Toys - 44lbs!!! Muzzy's system 6lbs.
Cliff
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mick46
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posted November 11, 2012 02:18 PM
Braided brake lines for the ABS only replace the rubber hoses, the hard lines running down the frame remain... available from HEL performance in the UK, so I'm sure someone more local to to you should be able to fix you up.
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Brocks CT Meg, PCV & QuickShifter, Brembo M4 Monoblocs, Grimeca 320mm discs, Nitron Race shock, Gilles rearsets , adjusters and TCA axle nut, Supersprox 42T, DID nickel plate X-ring, HEL brake lines, bar risers, shorty levers, tail tidy, Zero Gravity screen, RandG spools and bar ends, GPR V4 damper.... Done !
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Shane661
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posted November 11, 2012 02:55 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 11 Nov 2012 23:00
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Stock 2013 exhaust system on the scale at Tricked Toys - 44lbs!!! Muzzy's system 6lbs.
Cliff
6 lbs, my ass. No offense...but I know what these Muzzy systems weigh. Tip to tail, 8 lbs+ is about the lowest you could see...on the moon. 
Shane
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cliffrandall
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posted November 11, 2012 03:09 PM
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Braided brake lines for the ABS only replace the rubber hoses, the hard lines running down the frame remain... available from HEL performance in the UK, so I'm sure someone more local to to you should be able to fix you up.
The rubber brake line hoses on the 2013 run into steel junction boxes (all except the front cross over line) which have no adjustable fittings, only crimped steel connectors. As I see it, you either replace the whole system front to back with braided line or fabricate 'threaded' steel box mounts - huge job. Checking with Rob at Spiegler now.
BTW - when you introduce BST c/f wheels you require a different sprocket set-up, the stock sprocket design does not fit the smaller hub and bolt pattern on the c/f wheels.
Cliff
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cliffrandall
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posted November 11, 2012 03:11 PM
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Stock 2013 exhaust system on the scale at Tricked Toys - 44lbs!!! Muzzy's system 6lbs.
Cliff
6 lbs, my ass. No offense...but I know what these Muzzy systems weigh. Tip to tail, 8 lbs+ is about the lowest you could see...on the moon.
Shane
Always room for error when weighing anything, but even an extra 2 lbs from 44 - who gives a f&%#$#!
Cliff
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GREYHOUNDMOSES
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posted November 11, 2012 03:14 PM
As Mick46 said, HEL make replacement lines for the Euro abs Gen 1 bikes. You would have to check but I would imagine the fittings are the same for the Gen 2.
The ends away from the banjo bolts have metal blocks, tapped to take the rigid abs pipes.
If you contact them they will also make up custom length lines if neccessary.
They come with a choice of sleeve colours (including gold)
And, as I guess you won't be paying for them, I should mention they can make up the lines using Titanium fittings!
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Wheelie
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posted November 11, 2012 03:15 PM
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Stock 2013 exhaust system on the scale at Tricked Toys - 44lbs!!! Muzzy's system 6lbs.
Cliff
6 lbs, my ass. No offense...but I know what these Muzzy systems weigh. Tip to tail, 8 lbs+ is about the lowest you could see...on the moon.
Shane
Always room for error when weighing anything, but even an extra 2 lbs from 44 - who gives a f&%#$#!
Cliff
always room for error? it's a digital scale, how hard is that to read?
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cliffrandall
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posted November 11, 2012 04:13 PM
Actually it's not a digital scale at all......However that said, let's enjoy the build and save the expertise for upcoming mods and performance tuning.
Cliff
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Wheelie
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posted November 11, 2012 04:18 PM
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Actually it's not a digital scale at all.......
Cliff
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always room for error ...
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cliffrandall
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posted November 12, 2012 11:48 AM
Edited By: cliffrandall on 12 Nov 2012 19:48
Here's the word on an ABS braided line install - no go, way to much work for essentially 'the look'. Once we lowered the bike and put the bags in place, the brake lines disappeared anyway......My buddy Bob (owns a 2012 14R) says the brakes are incredible as is, we'll try them stock.
Cliff
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GREYHOUNDMOSES
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posted November 12, 2012 12:03 PM
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Here's the word on an ABS braided line install - no go, way to much work for essentially 'the look'.
Did you not read my post? No more work than the non abs.
Or maybe HEL aren't willing to give there stuff away?
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GREYHOUNDMOSES
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posted November 12, 2012 12:12 PM
Edited By: GREYHOUNDMOSES on 12 Nov 2012 20:14
http://www.brake-lines.co.uk/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=9402
$335 US for a full set, shipped to Canada.
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cliffrandall
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posted November 12, 2012 12:38 PM
Edited By: cliffrandall on 12 Nov 2012 20:39
Thanks Grey, sorry I missed that note......I'm on the computer with Hel now to 'net out' whether or not they have built a system for this 2013 Canadian ABS model. Lots of plumbing going on here.
Cheers,
Cliff
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Shane661
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posted November 12, 2012 12:53 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 12 Nov 2012 21:05
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Always room for error when weighing anything, but even an extra 2 lbs from 44 - who gives a f&%#$#!
Cliff
I like accuracy. For example, each of your mufflers will probably weigh in at 3.5 - 4 lbs. Plus add the weight of the hangers. Then the Ti Header, and midpipes. I have a Muzzy Ti system here, and a variety of mufflers for comparison, along with digital postal scales, and even a food scale for smaller items. So, the exhaust, with pipe hangers is likely 12-14 lbs (compared to the 6 lbs you suggested). By comparison, a Brock's CT Meg is 8.x lbs, with all brackets, a CT Single about 1 lb more than that. It's just the kind of information that is good to know when comparing products. I spend a lot of time sweating tiny details.
Btw, is that Muzzy an exhaust that someone can actually buy...or a one-off custom??
On a different note, wonderful project and I'm looking forward to the finished product! A lot of beautiful and unique bikes in this thread. 
Shane
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Bently
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posted November 12, 2012 01:01 PM
So what hard bag mounts are you using again?
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Shane661
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posted November 12, 2012 01:10 PM
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Love that paint and matte black accents. Very nice job from the factory, imo. 
Shane
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cliffrandall
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posted November 12, 2012 02:01 PM
I'll weight the complete Muzzy system once it comes back from Giorgio Rondinini, at Titanium Precision in Fort Lauderdale where they are machining and welding 'Ti' EGT mounts for me, the stock ones were steel - no good with Ti. The pipe will also be completely ceramic coated in a satin black (including the springs, c/f can bands and aluminum billet end caps) by Mark at Fireball Coating in Georgetown, Ontario - should look nasty......To answer your question - I think that Rob and his team at Muzzy's might build you a similar system if you were to call and chat with them. No idea on the cost.
The bags I'm using are Kappa out of Germany, entire system including the mounting hardware is theirs and it was built for the 2011 bike, not the 2012 model......Remember now, if you look closely you'll see that we are modifying stuff to fit, the plastic needs to be cut and the rear bracket needs to be bent a bit, so be prepared to do some 'bodywork' & paint work once you're done. Not sure if Kappa will take our designs and make the necessary changes for a cleaner 2012 fit.
Meeting tonight with Len the 'ass man' from A Trim Plus in Newmarket Ontario. Lenny builds my seats for me and he's going to carve up this 2013 seat so I'm lower (still comfy) and 'packed in' with a designer backing cushion, much like my race sleds. I hate sliding back when I nail the throttle and at 165lbs (ripped up like a friggin Chipendales dancer of course) there's lots of room behind me.
Stay tuned as we dig deeper into this hyper touring project.
Cliff
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posted November 13, 2012 10:23 AM
Edited By: cliffrandall on 13 Nov 2012 19:05
Lenny at A Trim Plus in Newmarket Ontario came over to Tricked Toys, measured me on the bike and built the race seat for me last night - perfect job, holds me right in place and look fabulous! Lenny's covering the full seat today with a one piece (no seams) no slip, black vinyl - should look great. I'm an ass guy - IMO seats make the project.
On another note, mod tip #234 - if you install the Scott's dampener on your 14, you'll have metal fillings fall into the frame at the neck. When you're done just pull the air intake snorkels off for 2 minutes and run a small diameter vacuum into the open neck port - you'll see the metal. I know the air filter is there for a reason, however get it out just to be safe.
Cliff
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posted November 13, 2012 10:31 AM
This is cool - we're building a wild and sexy regulator/solenoid etc mounting board that will harness all the airshifter/n2o kit hardware inside the left hand hard saddle bag. The 4.5lbs carbon fiber n2o bottle is being built into the right side bag......Great addition these bags; I had no idea how handy they'd be!!!
Cliff
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posted November 13, 2012 11:13 AM
Edited By: cliffrandall on 13 Nov 2012 19:39
This just in from Jen at IM Leathers in Hamilton Ontario, my new custom built 2 piece black leather (not suede) suit with painted gold highlights, very New York baby.......I'll be wearing it on the 'cat-walk' within 2 weeks!
Cheers,
Cliff
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cliffrandall
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posted November 13, 2012 04:53 PM
Sorry, suit has Kawasaki logo on both arms.
Cliff
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posted November 14, 2012 02:38 PM
Edited By: cliffrandall on 14 Nov 2012 22:39
Hi Guy........Important note re PC5. If you're using the Auto Tune and or the Ignition module you must make sure to install the small black plugs in the port beside the connectors to the PC5. I spoke to DJ's staff today and they apprized me that they get at least 15 calls a day from guys who realized their AT or Ign was showing up on the software screen but it wasn't working. Reason, they thru the plugs away a year ago not realizing that they actually have a resistor in them that makes the add on live!!! Check out this pic of my 'piggy-backed' set-up. Beside each 6" terminal wire from either the Ign or the AT to the PC5 you will see a small block-off plug - if your's isn't in, the add on isn't working.
Cliff
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posted November 14, 2012 04:57 PM
Edited By: cliffrandall on 15 Nov 2012 01:01
Donny Guhl called me tonight - my ECU is flashed and on it's way home - 1 day turn around! The 2013 brain has a different part number but the programing is all the same as per Don. Latest up-dates, Don's worked the ignition a little and found a winning combo......This just in, John Connery called me - my BST carbon fiber wheels are finished with a 3.4" gold trim rim, John say it looks killer!!! Our Dunlop Q2's have had the Dunlop logo painted white, looks really trick - pics to follow asap.
Cheers,
Cliff
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