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posted September 05, 2012 05:53 PM
 Edited By: cliffrandall on 6 Sep 2012 02:00
Forgot to mention the TAKAI high performance coils arrived today, very cool product....Can't wait to see just how much extra juice we can ring out of the 14 without ever removing the valve cover. Let's do the math to date - Muzzy exhaust, Dynojet wideband (real-time) assisted mapping & timing control, Guhl box tuning, TAKAI coils, VP Fuel MR12 etc etc. Should prove interesting when we run this beauty at Mirabel Airport next Spring (or on a dyno with a leaf blower) in our quest for a 200mph+ 'touring bike' pass!
Cheers,
Cliff
  
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posted September 06, 2012 01:14 PM
Edited By: cliffrandall on 6 Sep 2012 21:15
Vortex 38 & 40 tooth aluminum sprockets arrived today - Fabulous quaility and style as always. I 've used them for 12yrs now on the 1270, they should work just as well and look great on the ZX14HT!!
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Cliff
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posted September 06, 2012 03:26 PM
Hi boys, really enjoying this site by the way......Quick question - Is anyone currently using the DynoJet fuel adjustment system with their sexy Wideband read-out screen? I'd love to know what the stock map looks like in a 14R with the added ram-air effect at 10,000 rpm, and/or what your 'dyno built' maps look like on pavement.
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Cliff
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posted September 07, 2012 07:43 AM
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Pic from back in '86 - heading to the 'Cabot Trail' on the Kawi 1000.....Now that was truly a great bike!
Cliff
My dad had one like the red white and blue. It had a full Vance and Hines exhaust... We could hear him coming from miles away.
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posted September 07, 2012 09:15 AM
Your Dad sounds like a pretty cool guy Rob!
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posted September 07, 2012 10:46 AM
Edited By: cliffrandall on 7 Sep 2012 18:47
Lots of PM's about the Muzzy connection to this project - here's the deal. Rob and his team are building me a 'one-off' Titanium 4 into 1 into 2 'carbon fiber cans' (with race baffles). The metal will all be ceramic coated in satin black (including the caps) for a completely blacked out system - very nasty!
We'll also have two o2 sensors, one for the bike and one for the Dynojet wideband mapping system so I can tune on the run for max performance with one map and max mileage with the other........We'll use Muzzy's block off plates, fender eliminator kit etc, basically everything they make for this fabulous "Sport Bike of the Year" as per this months CycleWorld magazine........Should look amazing, I'll post pics just as soon as the product arrives!!
Cheers,
Cliff
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posted September 09, 2012 05:38 AM
Edited By: cliffrandall on 9 Sep 2012 14:42
Spoke to my good pal Ritchie Winters yesterday (Kawasaki Canada Superbike Tuner), I asked Ritch if he felt there was much to be gained by dropping the motor at birth and having a look at the obvious stuff. Ritch felt there might be a few ponies in the cam timining, squish and maybe some in port work, but on the whole not enough to warrent pulling the motor until we have about 5000 klms on it, at which point we could check the valve adjustment as well........Pic of 1270 on a box stand after being built. Always wonderful working on these engine with lots of room.
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Cliff
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posted September 09, 2012 04:22 PM
Forgot to mention - after the first oil change (250mi) we'll use Klotz Synthetic 10W30 in the 14. It's served us well for the entire 'hard' life of the 1270 motor and wet clutch.
Cliff
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posted September 09, 2012 09:42 PM
Hiya I am lookingf to buy a 2013 Zx14 I have found heaps of Valuable infor on your thread keep up the good work . Question do you have a delivery/launch date for the 2013's yet ??
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posted September 09, 2012 11:04 PM
launch date for the 2013's well at least the showing is this Thursday in Times Square in NYC..check the Kawasaki website or Google it ..I think they will be showing it live and on there youtube channel..hopefully there will be a 2013 zx14r with ABS..yum.
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2009 R1 16k miles in a yr Sold
2005 Honda Goldwing..6k miles in 2 months ..Sold
2012 Concours ABS 5k in 1 month..Sold
2011 ZX 10r 2k in 1 month...Sold..
2012 ZX 10R ABS black and red 144 miles as of 4-23-2013 sold.
2013 F6B deluxe sold
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posted September 10, 2012 01:32 AM
Edited By: Dark Ronin on 10 Sep 2012 09:34
LOL Yeh I know I am all over that site...
2 days 14 hours 57 mins But who the crap is counting
I have to give credit to the Kawa Guys no one I mean NO ONE is talking I can not get a date outa any of the dealers I have spoken too
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posted September 10, 2012 02:55 AM
Great to hear that you're enjoying this thread DR, thank you......Likewise, I'm so looking forward to seeing the 'Kawi Show' live from NY this Thursday. On a side note, we're all very excited about this new 14HT project, frankly to an even greater degree then I can remember everybody being in past on other builds. Just can't wait to get our hands on the new bike and all the incredibly cool aftermarket stuff we'll be using, then ride it at 200+mph next Spring at Mirabel Airport in Montreal. Seriously, how much fun will this deal be!!!!!
Have a fabulous week boys,
Cliff
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posted September 11, 2012 04:52 PM
Edited By: cliffrandall on 12 Sep 2012 01:24
Spoke with Will today at Dynojet, they'll be shipping the 'full monty' up here next week - PC5, Auto Tune, Ignition box and Wideband controller - fabulous.
Muzzy's are busy building the 'one-off' Ti/CF exhaust and welding in a second bung for the PC5 Auto tune - unreal can't wait to see it.......Now all I need is the bike!!!!
I'll post pics asap.
Cheers,
Cliff
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posted September 12, 2012 06:40 PM
Hi guys.........Steve just called me from Scott's in Calif, they just finished putting the final touches on their ZX14R steering dampener, he literally had it in his hands when he called. Apparently they had to do some 'machining' on the bottom due to the frame neck 'hump' on the 2012, which wasn't on the earlier model - does that sound right? Should have the new one up here in Toronto first of the week. I'll post a pic right away.
Cheers,
Cliff
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posted September 12, 2012 07:21 PM
Nice to see you back Cliff...
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posted September 13, 2012 02:45 AM
Thanks Jay........I missed you guys. Always great to be in build mode!
Cliff
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posted September 14, 2012 10:00 AM
The newly designed (for the 14R) Scott's Performance dampener just arrived - fabulous workmanship! Should look and work great on the bike.
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Cliff
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posted September 15, 2012 05:39 AM
Edited By: cliffrandall on 15 Sep 2012 15:08
Spoke with Rob Muzzy yesterday, we've decided to do away with the stock mirrors on the 14 and go with a Napoleon ‘Baron’ handle bar mirror on the left side only. I've used them on all of my street projects for 20 yrs, the design is timeless and they work great........That said we'll be utilizing Muzzys mirror cover plates along with their sexy fender removal kit and PAIR 'air-valve' cover plates. This 'clean air' system has to be closed off for the Power Commander Auto Tune and Wideband to work properly, otherwise you get lean readings from the added air box generated air being sucked in at the exhaust port. As many know this is quite safe to remove and it gets ride of a lot of junk as well - plug the air box..............On a side note, many folks have tried to use this simple mod to remove a 'deceleration' lean condition which often causes backfiring in the pipe(s) when using after market 'free flow' exhaust systems. In my experience, it’s not the best solution. My process has always been to get a Power Commander and build a 'decel overlay map' that uses the laws of chemistry to introduce a F/A ratio so rich, it can’t ignite on decel. Sounds crazy but it works beautifully and if done properly can be extended out to smooth the ‘on/off’ operation on most FI bikes without effecting the other half of the map with is the acceleration map. In the old days the initial ZX1270 mapping was actually dangerous it was like a light switch on and off the throttle, until we figured it out. Not sure about the fueling on the 14 of course as I have never riden one, so we’ll see what it feels like when we get it going. Because its so interesting, I'm planning to cover our mapping process on this bike (I'm hopefully many current tuners will jump in with their vast knowledge on this subject) once we get a little further along with examples of conditions we overcame during the past 12 yrs since first building 'overlay' maps with the original designer & master engineer of Dynojet, Mark Dobeck.......In the beginning of time we actually used a Palm Pilot set-up with downloaded maps from our laptop which we had built on our PC3 software. I taped the Palm Pilot to the tank of the bike and went out on the highway changing maps which had slightly altered map ‘quadrants’ so we could work on specific areas of the power curve - unreal amount of time spent but we learned a lot about what an FI motor likes and how to make it better. I'll see if I can find a pic for all to enjoy the 'caveman' approach. We also found that FI bikes can in fact be turned into 'carbed' motors to a degree, by building what I called "smoothed maps". I simply split the motor into 3 sections fuel wise (theory being - low speed jet, needle slide and main jet) and use no more then 4-5 values across the entire overlay map. Typically (now we've not ridden the 14 so I won't comment on it specifically) from a stock map we gave the motor fuel down low and thru the mid-range torque zone, where the EPA measure the exhaust, then started taking it away as the rpm climbed (with a stock set-up) where many times the manufacturers compensate with a richer mixture. Of course when we modified the exhaust the free flowing headers always seemed to work fine up top to a degree, it was in the low and mid where we needed to do some work, until we really went nuts with motorwork and flow then we needed fuel up top too.........Interesting stuff and it always makes for a robust discussion. I’ll try and figure out how to post pics of the maps used in the current 1270 and the wild 2000cc Chromeless Cruiser - really interesting to see what we did to make these engines work better on the street.
Cheers,
Cliff
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posted September 15, 2012 06:04 AM
i wouldnt think a touring bike hyper or stock would be practical with one bar end mirror? i would think you would go the other way and get some pig spotters or at least something that works?
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posted September 15, 2012 06:28 AM
Thanks izmuk.....You're right - it's not best for touring, just looks really cool for the project studio pics and the 200mph+ run we'll make at Mirabel A/P next Summer......If I stop polishing it long enough (and they promise no rain for 12 days in North America) I'll put the stock mirrors back on and head out West or to the nearest bar to pose!!
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posted September 15, 2012 06:33 AM
Edited By: cliffrandall on 15 Sep 2012 16:47
This PM just in......."Cliff can you map out the lumpy idle I got with my aftermarket 4 into 1?" Not sure about the 14 (I never asume anything will work on one bike because it did on another) however that said, no we could not 'map it out' with the 1270 - we corrected it down to a smooth 600rpm idle by removing the TBs, drilling out the air cap screw covers (EPA) and opening the screws up 1 full turn each from their factory closed position. Next we balanced the TBs with our 'mercury sticks' and added a bit of fuel, from there she was perfect. Really very simple.
Cliff
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posted September 17, 2012 05:00 AM
Edited By: cliffrandall on 17 Sep 2012 16:24
Interesting question from my buddy over the weekend - "what will be quicker, the new 14HT or the old 1270?" Only one way to find out - take them both along with my pal Bobby's stock 14R to Mirabel Airport next Summer and run them all head to head for a mile or so.......IMO the stock 14R will have it's hands full, until 'drag' slows the 465lbs (wet) naked 1270. The estimated '200 plus hp' 2013 ZX14HT will check out very quickly. I've attached a dyno run done back in 2001 which shows the 1270 produced 187rwhp on MR9 (once we got to the track we added more fuel up top (8pts on our PC3) to this original static dyno map and the bike made even more power as it ran stronger down the back straight at Mosport......This was our first lesson in the 'ram-air effect' on static mapping. For reference purposes the dyno work was done by DPE Racing, who at that time built the Honda Canada Superbike engines, so we felt it was probably pretty accurate.
Have a great week,
Cliff
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posted September 18, 2012 11:36 AM
For you Canadian Kawi lovers - a big thanks to Edge Performance Center in Bradford Ontario. Craig and his team have jumped on board this exciting HT project and will be our 'go to' Kawasaki dealer for the build.
Cheers,
Cliff
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posted September 19, 2012 03:27 PM
Dynojet products arrived today - incredible to think how we tuned without this stuff - answer, lots of time spent. These fabulous 'realtime' measurement devices should make for some very interesting tuning, which I love to mess around with........Big thanks to the entire Team at DJ 'Power Comander', you've come a long way baby and welcome to the exciting HT project!
Cheers,
Cliff
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posted September 19, 2012 05:07 PM
Hey Cliff,I show 38.6 mpg average during my 2,600 mile trip from Texas.
Stock factory gearing and rear tire.
N.Georgia mountains,up into North Carolina railing and slabbing at 85mph.
Great bike.
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