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posted August 26, 2012 12:18 PM
Don't know about the 38, but there is a post about some with hesitation/stumbling troubles when switching sprockets
   
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zx12mark
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posted August 26, 2012 06:01 PM
hay cliff . Ya gearing it for 250 mph
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shotgun
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posted August 27, 2012 02:43 AM
http://www.gearingcommander.com/base/gc_main.htm
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cliffrandall
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posted August 27, 2012 03:12 AM
 Edited By: cliffrandall on 27 Aug 2012 11:14
Thanks Mark, No but this project does included an attempt at 200mph (with full luggage in place) at Mirabel Airport next Summer, if we can arrange it via our sponsor ITL Canada!!!
Casey at Votex is providing us with both a 38 & a 40 tooth rear to compliment the stock 42, so we'll decide what's best for that top speed run by doing some testing, then go back to the longest gearing we can use (38) for my style of real world quasi 'hyper touring' with Beltronics STI radar & Cheetah's incredibly sexy, heads-up display jamer......I love a long fat first gear!
Quick question - has anyone removed their speed limiter and run a 2012 in a safe environment to see what it will do top speed wise? I'd be curious to know if unrestricted, given a mile or so, the 14 will in fact redline in 6th with the stock 42 and just how fast it is on the gun.
Always appreciated,
Cliff
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cliffrandall
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posted August 27, 2012 09:07 AM
Shotgun.....Fabulous, thanks for the link, best calculator I've ever seen. That said, to pull a clean 200+ mph, my calculations indicate the need for a 38-40 rear, depending on the wind. I wouldn't be at all surprised if with the incredible aftermarket help we're getting from folks like Muzzys and Dynojet etc., we make the hp necessary to "get er done" with the hard luggage in place!
Cheers,
Cliff
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posted August 27, 2012 10:46 AM
Edited By: cliffrandall on 27 Aug 2012 19:08
I meant to say...."I wouldn't be at all surprised if with the incredible aftermarket help we're getting from folks like Muzzys and Dynoject etc., we make the extra hp necessary to "get er done" with the hard Luggage in place" - without having to open the motor or use an atmospheric power booster!.......Who knows, should be fun - my buddy Bobby has offer to bring his brand new 2012 (picked it up today) along for comparo.
Cliff
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cliffrandall
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posted August 28, 2012 10:48 AM
Pic from back in '86 - heading to the 'Cabot Trail' on the Kawi 1000.....Now that was truly a great bike!
Cliff
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cliffrandall
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posted August 28, 2012 11:42 AM
Edited By: cliffrandall on 28 Aug 2012 19:58
Another exciting sponsor has joined the 2013 Muzzy Kawasaki ZX14HT project, Takai-Racing will be providing a set of their incredible 'High Output' coils that not only make power - but improve gas mileage by approx 10% - Bonus!! What a great addition to an already fabulous bike......Note attached from Mark.
Cliff,
Sounds like a great project on the go, the touring ZX14 is a great idea. I read a bit in the forum and was “sparked” by some comments. In regards to fuel mileage... the coils will help that out. Our VMAX riders have a similar situation where it doesn’t quite get 200 miles out of a tank. The ignition coils have resolved that issue and improved mileage an additional 2-4mpg with our parts. This should put the touring ZX14 over the top in regards to 200mph blasts or 200 mile tours. With the increased horsepower the coils are by far one of the better dollar per horsepower returns and have a proven track record in paying for themselves in mileage returns.
In any case, it was a pleasure talking to you today bro! Good to meet another Canadian in the scene doing well. For some background on Takai. It is a subsidiary of a larger, more well known automotive company who supplies ignition coils to some impressive tuning facilities including Shelby American (components currently in use on the new 50th anniversary Shelby 1000 horsepower mustang) and Arial to name a couple.
Have a great day Cliff!
Best Regards,
Mark Lepore
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cliffrandall
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posted August 28, 2012 12:01 PM
Cliff,
Sounds good we will have them out this week. BTW the official numbers from a couple of our testers on fuel mileage return is about a 10% increase in economy.
Mark
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cliffrandall
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posted August 28, 2012 02:02 PM
This just in, Scott's Performance Products have joined the build with their lengendary rotary dampener, just finished this week for the new 2012 Kawasaki ZX14R.........I love dampeners on 'all bikes at speed' (especially on the 1270 at 180mph on the back straight at Mosport - there's a slight rise at the 3/4 mark that most don't really notice - the 1270 was airbourne) I wouldn't leave home without one!
Cheers,
Cliff
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cliffrandall
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posted August 28, 2012 04:37 PM
Got a PM tonight from a 14 owner who asked, "what'll we do with all the spare parts once we finish the project". As always we'll give them away (stock rubber, pipes etc.) to any 'needy' 14 owner who wants to drop by and pick them up......Let us know.
Cheers,
Cliff
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cliffrandall
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posted August 28, 2012 06:09 PM
Edited By: cliffrandall on 29 Aug 2012 02:09
Just for fun and because I love these bikes so much, pic of the Muzzy Kawasaki 1270 back in 2010 at Mosport just before a huge low-side in 2. The sound of that full race Muzzy pipe was unreal. She now sits in my office (rebuilt - even the brake rotors got bent in the tumble) as a totally cool, flat black naked 12.
Cliff
I just sit here all day staring at them - seriously, it's a problem.
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cliffrandall
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posted August 28, 2012 06:50 PM
Guys....Quick question - who makes the best 'race stands' (front & rear) in America for the 14? I need a set of beefy ones in satin black.
Thanks,
Cliff
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dcjens
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posted August 28, 2012 07:14 PM
Nice little thread going here Cliff. I do alot of touring on my 06 with 32K on it now. keep the pics coming...nice 12R btw
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cliffrandall
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posted August 29, 2012 02:22 AM
Edited By: cliffrandall on 29 Aug 2012 12:57
Thanks DC.....Here a pic of a wonderful project I built back in 1993. It's a completely hand built 1500 Kawasaki SUPER Vulcan 'B' model with twin carbs. Nigel Patrick (US) & Mike Crompton (Canada) were responsible for building the 100hp burn-out king, which made so much compression it would not run on pump gas - VP Fuel MR9 (no more than 150 klms before being back in my garage) or I carried a can of Klotz Octane boost in my back pack!
Today it sits in my living room and is without a doubt the most popular bike in the house. Once a year I wheel it out and go for a blast, then I clean it for 4 hrs and put her back......Love that bike.
Have a great day,
Cliff
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Seno
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posted August 29, 2012 04:42 AM
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Guys....Quick question - who makes the best 'race stands' (front & rear) in America for the 14? I need a set of beefy ones in satin black.
Thanks,
Cliff
Pit Bull has some nice strong, stable stands... Not too pricy, about $175ish for the set
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cliffrandall
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posted August 29, 2012 07:54 AM
Thanks Seno, greatly appreciated........Just off the blower with George at PitBull, they're in! ZX14HT will sure look nice resting on those gold PitBull race stands!
Cheers,
Cliff
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cliffrandall
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posted August 29, 2012 04:51 PM
Receieved a PM today from a BMW lover wanting to know if i still ride the R1100SS. No, back in 2003 I donated it to the Veterans Honour Ride Foundation, who in turn raffled it off (a guy actually rode this $52K beauty home, on a 50.00 ticket) all of the proceeds went to the Toronto Sunnybrook Hospital Veterans Comfort Fund......We remember.
Cliff
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cliffrandall
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posted August 30, 2012 09:16 AM
HeliBars arrived today.....Very well machined product, finished to factory standard.
Cliff
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posted August 30, 2012 04:57 PM
Hi guys........Quick question - do you like the14's slipper clutch? Do you feel it 'shimmy' at all when coming out of the hole hard, how about a track day spirited 2 gear downshift at high rpm into a corner, thoughts?
Thanks,
Cliff
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cliffrandall
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posted September 02, 2012 03:54 AM
Edited By: cliffrandall on 2 Sep 2012 12:40
From the Pms recieved, sounds like the new clutch is a winner with most street riders - drag racers may prefer to lock it up with a simple mod and at the same time add stronger springs (if you can find the) or 'spring shims' for more clutch plate pressure. In all my days of riding and racing (even with the 1270) we simple beef up the spring pressure by either using stronger springs (if available) or milled up 'shims' which we incorporated into the spring assembly to apply more pressure - often times we did both - works great. On a hydraulic clutch you must be careful not to go to large on the added spring pressure on the hydraulic clutch actuator (the fluid pressure on the rod) won't be strong enough to overcome the added pressure and your clutch won't work. Easy to figure out, start with a 'test' shim size (or spring combo) then slowly work up until you max out - step back 20 thou and bolt her up.......Custom shims are very easy to mill-up if you take the stock bolt and cap assembly into a good machine shop they can help. Or just find someone who has already done the testing and buy their kit!!!
Flip side - the beauty of a 'cable actuated clutch' is that we can really beef it up and still get it to work....It takes three crew members to pull in the 1270 clutch - since I crushed my hand in an accident with my race sled, I'm good for about 20 gear shifts then I'm finished......I'm actually looking forward to some nice silky clutch action.
Cheers,
Cliff
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cliffrandall
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posted September 02, 2012 02:32 PM
Anybody ever put a stock (fueled up and ready to roll) 2012 ZX14R on the local CO-OP weigh scale or a shop floor scale? I'd be curious to know if they touch 600lbs wet......If not, I've got scales at my place to check it in Nov before we take the 2013 apart.
Cliff
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cliffrandall
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posted September 04, 2012 05:50 PM
PitBull jumped into the ZX14HT project and sent a pair their fabulous 14 stands - which arrived today. Best I've ever seen.....My thanks to Seno for the lead.
Cheers,
Cliff
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SteveWFL
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posted September 05, 2012 05:45 AM
Edited By: SteveWFL on 5 Sep 2012 13:53
I'm very interested in this project, although I was a naysayer when the thread 1st opened. I rode my old ZX14 LONG long distances, but not comfortably and with any expectation of it being a sport tourer.
How will it hold the added fuel for distance between stops in remote places?
How will you achieve leg room between the seats and the rearsets
How will you achieve "decent" handlebar risers/etc
How will you provide windscreen protection over rider
Will it store more cargo than a few soft saddlebags (i see you want to employ C14 saddlebags, will the bracket be easily removable?)
Will seat be swapped (such as we do on the C14s, stockers suck for sport touring)
Will engine be modified for more down low grunt (instead of performance near the redline end) and improved MPG?
On a side note, I have 2 sets of those pitbull stands and they are second to none!
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cliffrandall
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posted September 05, 2012 05:41 PM
Steve, thanks very much for your interest in the project, always appreciated........The simple answer to most of your questions is found in the fundamental philosophy behind ever project I build and my intrinsic character, I'm a racer, I like to go fast. Form does not follow function around here, performance centric, over the top, different and exciting stuff does........This bike is really not a touring ride at all, at least not for the masses, it's a friggin 600lbs race bike with lights!......Bottom-line, we'll make it work, with a few compromises here and there I'm sure. Hell, I'm old, I actually look forward to gas stops and even more so, to the huge wheelies I like to pull as I'm joining up with my buddies back on the highway. As long as the bike makes incredible power, looks fabulous, holds my credit cards and a bottle of Tylenol, it'll be all good.
Stay tuned to the thread as we continue to ramp-up our build of the World’s most outrageous ‘hyper touring’ bike, the amazing 2013 Muzzy Kawasaki ZX14HT.
All the best,
Cliff
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