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zixxer14


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posted January 22, 2013 02:57 PM        
If I send you mine can you clean it up a bit, maybe an update here & there? Bike looks good, hope it rides as well.
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beaver


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posted January 23, 2013 05:26 PM        
Nice to see the finished product Cliff - wish I had made your show. Looks very professional - unlike most of the comments here. I am working on getting funding to use C3H8 with N20 in the ZX14 to create a clean burn weapon. Looks like the government and the propane industry are really interested - page out of your book , cheers Rob
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cliffrandall


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posted January 23, 2013 06:44 PM        Edited By: cliffrandall on 24 Jan 2013 03:13
Thanks Beav.........The ‘HT’ project is about to get even more exciting. How about a real-time dyno session with Dan at Champion Cycles, certified DynoJet Tuning Center, here in Toronto. Everyone can enjoy and better understand exactly what it is we do to make these modified bikes run perfectly, long before we hit the track/street……….Stuff like Don Guhl’s (Guhl Motors) brilliant work on the ECM (i.e. - removing the secondary butterflies for about 30hp in the low to mid-range), we’ll balance the throttle bodies correctly for a nice smooth idle with free flow pipes (typically the motors surge at idle when you add this mod), we’ll enrichen the ‘start-up’ by building a map with our DynoJet PC5 for better cold starts. From there we’ll show you how to ‘reverse engineer’ the entire and often never ending dyno map building process, by plugging in the air/fuel ratios we want in our DynoJet software for various rpm levels, and letting the DynoJet Auto-Tune automatically build the map - all while we watch it all on our DJ Wideband dash display and Dan’s Dyno – unreal – it’s biblical!!!
BTW – if you wish you can leave the Auto Tune on all the time and the DJ system will automatically tune, while you ride, for all weather and or altitude changes – it’s truly unreal for map builders of the past to see this.
We’ll demonstrate how we tune the Muzzy 50hp nitrous shot via our Koso Exhaust Gas Temperature ‘dash mounted gauges’ and our DynoJet PC5. We’ll add fuel to keep both the motor cool (within 50 degrees of normal temp at WOT) and of course to feed the juice, you’ll be shocked at just how rich we run a motor safely on n2o – juice loves fuel! We’ll also show you how that same n2o map is automatically fired via our Power Commander when I push the horn button (which becomes the Muzzy n2o button once the system is armed). The nitrous map hits immediately, then disappears when I get off the button – beautiful. The n2o map also pulls a few degrees of timing via our DynoJet Ignition Controller, to help reduce any possible detonation on pump gas…….Almost forget, we’ll demonstrate the Muzzy ‘nitrous powered’ air-shifter on the dyno as well.
Finally because there’s never enough HP - we may even go crazy and show you how to build a 100hp Muzzy n2o shot by installing stronger valve springs and adding a little thicker head gasket to reduce the compression (that’s a 300hp sport touring bike) all on C14 VP Race Fuel. We get the bigger shot by ‘abbreviating’ the Muzzy system to flow more nitrous, again interesting to see how it’s done and to an even greater degree to have it explained in layman’s terms.
Cliff

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cliffrandall


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posted January 30, 2013 03:00 PM        
Clark Kent.
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izmuk


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posted January 30, 2013 03:44 PM        
cliff, tell me that guhl sticker isnt as crocked as it looks in the picture above.. that would drive me crazy
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cliffrandall


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posted January 30, 2013 05:11 PM        
No it was square, all optics - drove us crazy in the studio.
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fish_antlers


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posted January 30, 2013 08:44 PM        
Man that looks wicked
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cliffrandall


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posted January 31, 2013 06:14 AM        Edited By: cliffrandall on 31 Jan 2013 14:15
Thanks gentlemen...Sponsors are all still there, just stealth for bike night 'showtime'.
Cliff

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Obba


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posted January 31, 2013 10:39 PM        
Looks very nice.

Any chance of some runinng videos, like firing her up so we can hear her start and a few blips revs etc...

When are you planning any speed runs?

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cliffrandall


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posted February 01, 2013 08:13 AM        
Yes, let me figure out how to do it and I'll make a video of everything running and working on the 14, I'll spray the Muzzy auto-shifter (line off of course) for you, then I'll show you the EGTS and O2 screens working (I'll add a little timing and you'll hear the motor rev up, 3 degree's seems about right on premium, after Don Guhl's work - timing out of course on the juice map) then I'll show you how my bike starts better with 3 pts of fuel at 500-1750 rpm when cold, next I'll shut her off and fire the Muzzy juice so you can hear it blast into the airbox. Should be fun - I'll even fire up the race sled right beside it so you can here this 1000cc monster crackling thru it's expansion chambers.........Anybody know a sharp 12 yr old kid who can help me!!!!!!!
Cliff

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King Cobra


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posted February 13, 2013 05:10 PM        
Talked to you at the toronto bike show at the beginning of January. Awsome work on the bike, very impressive!!. I just bought the 2013 zx14r SE and bought a garmin 660 gps and was looking to see how you mounted your toys. Looking for the gps on the clutch side. Any suggestions? Can ou show pics on how you mounted your units? And more importantly, looking for a sports bike club to ride with in the Oakville burlingtone area, any suggestions?
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BobC


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posted February 14, 2013 02:12 AM        
Cliff, there was a photo of your bike with a caption in our Motor Cycle News here in England this week.
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cliffrandall


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posted February 14, 2013 03:58 PM        
quote:
Talked to you at the toronto bike show at the beginning of January. Awsome work on the bike, very impressive!!. I just bought the 2013 zx14r SE and bought a garmin 660 gps and was looking to see how you mounted your toys. Looking for the gps on the clutch side. Any suggestions? Can ou show pics on how you mounted your units? And more importantly, looking for a sports bike club to ride with in the Oakville burlingtone area, any suggestions?


We built brackets and secured them to the Master Cylinder mounting posts - very easy to do if you've got a machine shop.
Cliff

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cliffrandall


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posted February 14, 2013 04:01 PM        Edited By: cliffrandall on 15 Feb 2013 00:03
quote:
Cliff, there was a photo of your bike with a caption in our Motor Cycle News here in England this week.


Bob...Thanks very much for mentioning that, I've been providing the material to various 'regional' mags around the World. CycleWorld will also be doing a nice write-up in the next couple of issues.
Cliff
PS - It's minus 10 degrees C here in Toronto, we're busy racing the sleds!

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zixxer14


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posted February 14, 2013 04:53 PM        
Does "C" stand for cold?
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King Cobra


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posted February 14, 2013 05:06 PM        
C stands for can't ride ... To freaken cold...yes
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cliffrandall


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posted February 14, 2013 05:18 PM        
Celsius, as opposed to Fahrenheit....Canada is a metric country.
Cheers,
Cliff

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vernesoni23


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posted February 14, 2013 05:42 PM        
Cliff, I know it's in this thread somewhere but I'm too lazy to look. What kind of steering damper do you have? Thanks.
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cliffrandall


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posted February 14, 2013 05:55 PM        Edited By: cliffrandall on 15 Feb 2013 02:21
Scott's....I've had many others dampeners and IMO this Scott's is the best........I wanted to tell you guys about my thoughts on the next build (not sure when) - a really cool 70's style Cafe Racer, using a Triumph Thurston.
Cliff

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GREYHOUNDMOSES


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posted February 15, 2013 06:40 AM        
quote:
....... a really cool 70's style Cafe Racer, using a Triumph Thurston.
Cliff


Can't wait to see that Cliff!
A bit of a change for you though?
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Pete Thurstons Triumph special.

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cliffrandall


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posted April 03, 2013 11:35 AM        
Hi guys........On Saturday June 1st we'll be taking the HT project to Dan at Champion Cycle's Dynocenter here in Toronto where we'll perform a proper break-in 'on the dyno' (I can't break this motor in unless I rent Mosport for the day), then we'll dial in the 60hp Muzzy n2o shot with a DynoJet overlay map.......We'll also be using the Muzzy air-shifter, showing you how it all works......After this is completed and the bike has cooled down, we'll simulate a top speed run in 6th gear to get some idea of what the bike is capable of (Dan has his dyno programmed to handle 300mph) albeit without the air drag coefficient - that doesn't really make any difference does it?
We'll be sure to produce a video for everyone to enjoy. Should be fun.
Cliff

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shiphteey


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posted April 03, 2013 11:44 AM        
Cliff....why "simulate" a top speed run? Why not just ... top it out?
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extrapolator


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posted April 03, 2013 01:04 PM        
quote:
Scott's....I've had many others dampeners and IMO this Scott's is the best........I wanted to tell you guys about my thoughts on the next build (not sure when) - a really cool 70's style Cafe Racer, using a Triumph Thurston.
Cliff


I assume you mean Thruxton? ... hard to get used to that name!

Anyway ... unique and fantastic looking ZX-14R you have there

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cliffrandall


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posted April 03, 2013 02:12 PM        
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Cliff....why "simulate" a top speed run? Why not just ... top it out?


If we've got a dyno that can handle it, why not? Always best to test it first to make sure everything is right fuel and gearing wise etc. Besides, where the F%$&* am I going to run this bike flat out in 6th gear to 11000 rpm, other than an airstrip? Mirabel is planned for this summer.
Cliff

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shiphteey


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posted April 04, 2013 05:26 AM        Edited By: shiphteey on 4 Apr 2013 17:18
What does spinning a bike on the dyno that can go to 300 mph show if the bike won't go anywhere near that speed? I understand dynotuning ... or breaking a motor in on the dyno....but spinning a bike on the dyno just to see how fast it can spin the drum doesn't demonstrate how fast the vehicle actually goes.

I can spin a Ninja 250 to 150 mph on the dyno....doesn't mean it will do it.

What data will you be able to take away with you that you can apply to a real world run by just spinning it as high as possible?

It would seem more beneficial to start slowly approaching higher and higher speeds in the real world...there you may find out you have stability problems or re-gear the bike for what you're actually running...not just spinning on the dyno.
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