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posted August 03, 2012 11:46 AM
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Got my Brocks/Guhl 2 flash back today ... Installing tonight and if it doesn't rain i may get to bike night ... 
Guess you didn't get to go??? Fricken rain..
Got it installed and took it for a short ride , all good ..
Best part is i turn off the T/C and it stays off !! Restart the bike and the T/C is off .. That is the way kawi should have made the bike to start with ..
i think Kaw didn't do that due to liabilty reasons???
Yes i would say that is the reason ..Perhaps that is why we haven't seen any cashed ZX14Rs on ebay ..... YET
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posted August 04, 2012 11:51 AM
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posted August 04, 2012 12:13 PM
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Did you put your butterfly back in
Not yet ..
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posted August 08, 2012 07:05 AM
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Got my Brocks/Guhl 2 flash back today ... Installing tonight and if it doesn't rain i may get to bike night ...
Guess you didn't get to go??? Fricken rain..
Got it installed and took it for a short ride , all good ..
Best part is i turn off the T/C and it stays off !! Restart the bike and the T/C is off .. That is the way kawi should have made the bike to start with ..
i think Kaw didn't do that due to liabilty reasons???
Yes i would say that is the reason ..Perhaps that is why we haven't seen any cashed ZX14Rs on ebay ..... YET
maybe not on ebay but the insurance auction yards are getting them . and they sell for stupid money..
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posted August 08, 2012 07:06 AM
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Don does not ride nor does he own a motorcycle...
If he wants to work on a ZX14, he needs to go to the bike.... much different than someone like me who buys the bike to do just that.
How much experience with any specific model can be gotten in just a few hours as compared to owning the bike or having it at your disposal indefinetly?
And also buy all the different popular pipes, air filters, fuel and ignition controllers, and test them so you know what works well and what does not.... this stuff costs a lot of money to do properly.
There is no doubt that he knows his way around a lot of stuff (not all stuff) inside the ECU... But knowing your way around software is not the same thing as knowing what to set your tuning parameters to.
This stuff can only be gotten through repeated testing in the real world as well as the dyno and spending time actually riding the motorcycle under all conditions (including the dangerous stuff).... this type of stuff takes many hundreds of hours and can not be just figured out in a few dyno sessions to get a good final result.... unless you steal it from someone who has already figured it out.
Ivan
all i can say is WOW ..
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posted August 08, 2012 07:44 AM
Seems someone is a little upset, It's funny to talk junk after you get what you need out of someone.
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smokinZX14
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posted August 08, 2012 10:02 AM
Ivan posted " I could care less about your dragstrip... it means nothing.
LOL... How about Kawasaki made Sales AD like this " The New ZX14R , We don't really know if it's fast and we don't care , just buy the fucking bike and shut up ..
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posted August 08, 2012 10:09 AM
LOL and the only way he got his ecu flash was to go to Don and copy what Brock and Don had been working on and then put his twist on and make it his
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posted August 08, 2012 10:09 AM
he is still upset that his tre didn't sell worth a shit for the first gen because it paled in comparison to the free mod of pulling the flies. He makes his money off of yuppies and squids... Not drag racers.
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posted August 08, 2012 11:10 AM
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LOL and the only way he got his ecu flash was to go to Don and copy what Brock and Don had been working on and then put his twist on and make it his
His flash was out 6 weeks earlier than the others with the same features.... It's a coincidence that they all use the same programmer huh?
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posted August 08, 2012 12:09 PM
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he is still upset that his tre didn't sell worth a shit for the first gen because it paled in comparison to the free mod of pulling the flies. He makes his money off of yuppies and squids... Not drag racers.
What's a TRE?
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posted August 08, 2012 01:28 PM
I'm glad Don is doing this but from what I have been told all the ecu knowledge and tweeks are coming from RidgeRacer who then shows Don how to do it as Ridgeracer just wants to play inside the ecu and not have to deal with business and customers. Correct me if I am wrong.
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posted August 08, 2012 02:58 PM
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he is still upset that his tre didn't sell worth a shit for the first gen because it paled in comparison to the free mod of pulling the flies. He makes his money off of yuppies and squids... Not drag racers.
What's a TRE?
wee
its that pill bottle thingy i sold you that has 2 wires and a plug on it
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posted August 08, 2012 07:11 PM
Edited By: smokinZX14 on 9 Aug 2012 03:13
I guess Ivan feels that the 300+ dyno pulls Brock made on slugger and the drag strip testing and all on videos of the testing is nothing .Or the hours Don spent with Brock coming up with a flash that would work best with his mapping ....Not even what i did testing the maps and different flashes mean nothing to Ivan ..I don't care what came first , the Chicken or the Egg .. All i want is the fastest flash and tune ..Ivan is not even willing to test his flash and tune Vs Brocks flash and tune .. Because to Ivan drag racing proves nothing ..
I'm happy that Seno is happy with Ivan flash and mapping .. If Seno is happy that is all that counts ..
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posted August 08, 2012 07:41 PM
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..Ivan is not even willing to test his flash and tune Vs Brocks flash and tune .. Because to Ivan drag racing proves nothing ..
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This reminds of of the challange Muzzy put down and nobody with a brocks pipe raced Muzzy for the showdown
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posted August 08, 2012 07:51 PM
I've got no dog in this fight. I just want mine to run like a docile pussy cat when needed and like a raped ape when wanted. What would be interesting if it could be done is a double flash. Ivan's on L and Brocks on H (or other way around) and have somebody with skills run it on the strip back to back, do the same with a LSR run and then a long street ride. Even better would be for the tester to not know which flash was which.
Could this be done?
I'm also a little surprised (i'm not knocking Ivan at all) that the forums Ivan is on that he hasn't mentioned his zx14r pipe testing results. Something Smokinzx1 said really hits home with me. As a someone trying to soak up all the facts I can, I absolutely love Brock's videos. Thanks Brock for the time it takes to do those for us.
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posted August 09, 2012 03:41 AM
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Toledo:" Hope this thread fares better than mine did. "
It amazes me how threads tend to get jacked up with the other guy gone from it.
Seriously, I thought we got this shit out of our system. .Any chance of staying on topic or does this one get a new grid in the smackhouse too?
Stay on topic and don't post unless its is directly related to the topic.
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posted August 09, 2012 04:56 AM
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Stay on topic and don't post unless its is directly related to the topic.
this is directly related ..http://www.zx14ninjaforum.com/messages.cfm?threadid=BFCD275E-D56B-84E2-111B5A48C16E08B4&page=2 the ivan guy just don't post here since fish and brock denutted his zx14 TRE back in 2006 ..i guess he's returning the favor ..
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RE: ZX-14R 'Brock Flash 2' by Guhl Motors
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I guess Ivan feels that the 300+ dyno pulls Brock made on slugger and the drag strip testing and all on videos of the testing is nothing .Or the hours Don spent with Brock coming up with a flash that would work best with his mapping ....
I had the original flash and sold it to several of my customers.... it was nothing more than a raised rev-limit and a few more degrees of advance at high rpm, and opened the flies a little sooner. The bike still ran hot, vibrated a lot more, drank fuel and still have it's safety mode kick in if you whacked the throttle in the lower 3 gears. It was a farting, backfiring, jerky and abrupt machine that wasn't fun to ride as a streetbike.... especially in the corners. I fixed all of it
Not even what i did testing the maps and different flashes mean nothing to Ivan ..I don't care what came first , the Chicken or the Egg .. of course you don't....you only support your "daddy" even if he has no morals.
All i want is the fastest flash and tune ..Ivan is not even willing to test his flash and tune Vs Brocks flash and tune .. Because to Ivan drag racing proves nothing ..I offered my free time to do it but that fell on deaf ears ..
I find you extremely biased, and why would I give you something that wouldn't be tested properly anyway?
If you did 2nd through 6th gear roll on testing without a standing start against a bike that was exactly the same except for the ECU with an equal weight rider (like I do), I might have considered letting you try it out... rider skill needs to be completely removed when evaluating an engine's performance. This is why the dragstrip means nothing to me. (way too many variables) Gearing, rider weight, skill, traction... the list goes on and on.
I'm happy that Seno is happy with Ivan flash and mapping .. If Seno is happy that is all that counts ..
There are quite a few others that are happy too.... and they like doing business with straight up honest people.
Buy whatever flash and tune makes you happy For most guys a flash is not even needed , just a good pipe and Map will be all they ever need ..The bike has more than enough power for 70% of the guys out there ..The other 30% want more and we the 30% guys know where to get it ..
You can only speak for yourself. People should go to the person who did the actual tuning work.
I have no more to add , buy what floats your boat and go riding and be happy ..
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Does this mean that you won't post any more in this thread?
I hope you think of me every time you ride your bike since it has my tune in it....
And BTW, if you wanted the fastest bike, you bought the wrong pipe....
http://www.ivansperformanceproducts.com/12zx142.htm
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posted August 09, 2012 05:51 AM
Edited By: smokinZX14 on 9 Aug 2012 14:00
What a jack off Ivan is .... Now he is saying Brocks mapping came from him ... Well we all know that is a lie ..Brock doesn't need Ivans help to map a bike ...
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posted August 09, 2012 06:02 AM
LOL At least he could of compared like type exhaust.
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posted August 09, 2012 07:05 AM
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What a jack off Ivan is ....
http://www.bikeland.org/story.php?storyID=24810 remember this ..i can understand him being a jack-off
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posted August 09, 2012 08:16 AM
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Toledo:" Hope this thread fares better than mine did. "
It amazes me how threads tend to get jacked up with the other guy gone from it.
Seriously, I thought we got this shit out of our system. .Any chance of staying on topic or does this one get a new grid in the smackhouse too?
Stay on topic and don't post unless its is directly related to the topic.
Not sure why you are directing that at me? I started the original thread on this updated flash and it got ruined big time, sent to smack house. My comment was a sincere wish that this one didn't suffer the same fate.
I'm sorry if that bothered you, it wasn't meant to.
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posted August 09, 2012 09:37 PM
Edited By: lietoome on 10 Aug 2012 05:57
Toledo, that is not aimed at you, its 100% agreeing with your original statement.
I like to read about the product, not all the personal history, name-calling, fueling the fire from other sites....just no need for it. Now this thread is getting jammed up with useless information without the help of speedgene/hubz/ or whatever.
If anyone here thinks that calling Ivan a jerk off, linking to zx14ninja., or dragging up old posts from this site in any way supports this titled thread....then by all means, keep jamming this thread up too. I also might add that having Brock post directly to this thread will only help solidify the possibility of me purchasing his product...but now that it has been steered towards mush, I doubt he will post in it again, which kinda screws the guys here reading the thread for information.
If this thread is about Brocks / Guhl ECU Flash 2, then that's what someone wants to read about when they click the link.
I think Wee hit it on the head the first time around.
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posted August 09, 2012 10:00 PM
I put my Brock's ECU back in tonight...just for fun  43 rear...she be slippin and and a liftin!WHEEEEEEEE!!!!!
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lietoome
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posted August 09, 2012 10:11 PM
Is the ECU flash the same with a non-Brock exhaust?
Do I have to have a Brock's exhaust to get the optimum from this particular Flash?
I am considering a different exhaust this time around and was wondering if there was any difference as far as the ECU was concerned, considering a Yosh, Akra, and Brock full system.
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