GixxerJohn
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posted June 03, 2012 12:32 PM
 Edited By: GixxerJohn on 3 Jun 2012 20:33
Did brock do this on purpose???
Hey guys on brocks site as we all know,he has a dyno chart showing you the diffrences in removing your flies in which i did. Now he says yes it kills the top end but only by 2 hp,so its worth it. BUT did you notice when he ran it on the dyno with flies in,it was in 3rd gear,with flies out it was in 5th,hence we already know this bike makes more power in the higher gears from kawi. So really the hp will be down more than 2hp. If i'm wrong please explain. But to me it seems he went to a higher gear so it wouldn't show such a hp loss. And if i'm wrong why was the ONLY run with flies out in 5th gear. To me i want the test to be all the way the same though out the test.Yes???? Even wheelie has been waiting for him to fix this in the ecu.
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posted June 03, 2012 02:41 PM
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Hey guys on brocks site as we all know,he has a dyno chart showing you the diffrences in removing your flies in which i did. Now he says yes it kills the top end but only by 2 hp,so its worth it. BUT did you notice when he ran it on the dyno with flies in,it was in 3rd gear,with flies out it was in 5th,hence we already know this bike makes more power in the higher gears from kawi. So really the hp will be down more than 2hp. If i'm wrong please explain. But to me it seems he went to a higher gear so it wouldn't show such a hp loss. And if i'm wrong why was the ONLY run with flies out in 5th gear. To me i want the test to be all the way the same though out the test.Yes???? Even wheelie has been waiting for him to fix this in the ecu.
what?
mods.... a little help here..
thanks in advance..
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eklipse636
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posted June 03, 2012 02:42 PM
your not a drag racer, 1-2 hp will not be felt on the street. no worries, just ride.
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kaw-rick
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posted June 03, 2012 02:44 PM
did it on purpose. the bike was restricted in 1st three gears, so that was the reason to use 3rd gear to show what the fly removal effect.
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shawnski
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posted June 03, 2012 02:58 PM
Edited By: shawnski on 3 Jun 2012 22:58
yah he did it on purpose to piss you off!! LOL
dude aren't you the one just cruising around, what do you care about the two hp loss..
use the 87 octane shell and you get it back!!
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GixxerJohn
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posted June 03, 2012 04:19 PM
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your not a drag racer, 1-2 hp will not be felt on the street. no worries, just ride.
I hear u eklipse but did anyone READ my post??? He did the flies out in a higher gear, in which we now know that 5th gear has more hp than 3rd. Thats what wheelie and lee were talkin about earlier.The flies in was done at a lower gear,hence less horsepower. i think if you were to do the run with both bikes in 5th gear you would see a 5-6hp loss up top. I would like someone to prove me wrong on this one. Even wheelie keeps saying that he can't wait for someone to correct the powerloss in the lower gears.
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posted June 03, 2012 04:41 PM
I was one that reinstalled my flies and the bike dropped almost 2 tenghts in the 1/8 and 3mph. My rider told me that something was wrong, and I told him I reinstalled the flies and he said that was a problem and wouldn't ride anymore that night. I removed them and we went back and the et came back and so did the mph. So the bike is slower with the flies in than out. Also it is stronger on the street with them out.
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posted June 03, 2012 04:46 PM
Kawasaki sure burdened this new bike with electronic limiting in one way or another. I'm almost afraid to see how fast this bike is going to be once someone finally finds a way to de-restrict the ECU completely. I'm for sure going to have to wait until that time comes to consider purchasing one though. In the next couple of years, this will be THE bike to have if you drag race. Just my opinion, of course.
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posted June 03, 2012 04:57 PM
The flies have to come out unless you want to fall into save your ass mode .If falls into that safe mode and you will slow down big time .. . Yes you will lose 2 HP on the very very top RPMs .. 2 HP is not a big deal as you can see from my numbers .. The bike even with the flies out is ECU limited in the first 3 gears ( mostlikely timing retard of some type)..
The reason for this 2 HP loss as best we know is the flies clean up the air flow into the ports at high RPMs ..
No real way to prove this till someone removes the safe mode from the ECU in the first 3 gears and then reinstalls the flies and see if that 2 extra HP comes back in the upper gears .. For now pull the flies and have fun ..
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GixxerJohn
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posted June 03, 2012 05:00 PM
Edited By: GixxerJohn on 4 Jun 2012 01:00
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The flies have to come out unless you want to fall into save your ass mode .If falls into that safe mode and you will slow down big time .. . Yes you will lose 2 HP on the very very top RPMs .. 2 HP is not a big deal as you can see from my numbers .. The bike even with the flies out is ECU limited in the first 3 gears ( mostlikely timing retard of some type)..
The reason for this 2 HP loss as best we know is the flies clean up the air flow into the ports at high RPMs ..
No real way to prove this till someone removes the safe mode from the ECU in the first 3 gears and then reinstalls the flies and see if that 2 extra HP comes back in the upper gears .. For now pull the flies and have fun ..
Thank you lee, I was just looking for an answer.
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posted June 04, 2012 05:12 AM
The real purpose of the video was too show the lost 30 hp.In 3rd gear with the flies in.Watch it again,
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posted June 04, 2012 05:46 AM
Edited By: 1badzx12r on 4 Jun 2012 13:50
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Hey guys on brocks site as we all know,he has a dyno chart showing you the diffrences in removing your flies in which i did. Now he says yes it kills the top end but only by 2 hp,so its worth it. BUT did you notice when he ran it on the dyno with flies in,it was in 3rd gear,with flies out it was in 5th,hence we already know this bike makes more power in the higher gears from kawi. So really the hp will be down more than 2hp. If i'm wrong please explain. But to me it seems he went to a higher gear so it wouldn't show such a hp loss. And if i'm wrong why was the ONLY run with flies out in 5th gear. To me i want the test to be all the way the same though out the test.Yes???? Even wheelie has been waiting for him to fix this in the ecu.
i hope your dumbass noticed he had the RPM wire hook-up
and was it octane 87 .. and split fire plugs with OX Nox fuel performace additve ..
i know i'm gonna piss him off
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GixxerJohn
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posted June 04, 2012 05:58 AM
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Hey guys on brocks site as we all know,he has a dyno chart showing you the diffrences in removing your flies in which i did. Now he says yes it kills the top end but only by 2 hp,so its worth it. BUT did you notice when he ran it on the dyno with flies in,it was in 3rd gear,with flies out it was in 5th,hence we already know this bike makes more power in the higher gears from kawi. So really the hp will be down more than 2hp. If i'm wrong please explain. But to me it seems he went to a higher gear so it wouldn't show such a hp loss. And if i'm wrong why was the ONLY run with flies out in 5th gear. To me i want the test to be all the way the same though out the test.Yes???? Even wheelie has been waiting for him to fix this in the ecu.
i hope your dumbass noticed he had the RPM wire hook-up
and was it octane 87 .. and split fire plugs with OX Nox fuel performace additve ..
i know i'm gonna piss him off
Dam i keep on hearing about this 87 octane stuff i have to try it out.
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Viper
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posted June 04, 2012 07:21 AM
That was not on 87 octane it was on 89.
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GixxerJohn
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posted June 04, 2012 07:25 AM
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That was not on 87 octane it was on 89.
inside joke they are just busting my balls.
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posted June 04, 2012 08:51 AM
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That was not on 87 octane it was on 89.
inside joke they are just busting my balls.
Which one would think would be quite sore by now...You are a gamer. I gotta' give you that.
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eklipse636
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posted June 04, 2012 10:47 AM
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That was not on 87 octane it was on 89.
inside joke they are just busting my balls.
Which one would think would be quite sore by now...You are a gamer. I gotta' give you that.
Or he is too dumb to realize when we arent busting hIs balls, we are making fun of him
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GixxerJohn
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posted June 04, 2012 11:21 AM
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That was not on 87 octane it was on 89.
inside joke they are just busting my balls.
Which one would think would be quite sore by now...You are a gamer. I gotta' give you that.
Or he is too dumb to realize when we arent busting hIs balls, we are making fun of him
relax eklipse no need to start an entire thread of fighting again. Grow up and keep it light ball busting. I'm not worth getting fired up about.
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posted June 04, 2012 11:32 AM
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Hey guys on brocks site as we all know,he has a dyno chart showing you the diffrences in removing your flies in which i did. Now he says yes it kills the top end but only by 2 hp,so its worth it. BUT did you notice when he ran it on the dyno with flies in,it was in 3rd gear,with flies out it was in 5th,hence we already know this bike makes more power in the higher gears from kawi. So really the hp will be down more than 2hp. If i'm wrong please explain. But to me it seems he went to a higher gear so it wouldn't show such a hp loss. And if i'm wrong why was the ONLY run with flies out in 5th gear. To me i want the test to be all the way the same though out the test.Yes???? Even wheelie has been waiting for him to fix this in the ecu.
Yes Brock did that on purpose. Don't trust him, remember the PROOF you posted his dyno reads way high.
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GixxerJohn
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posted June 04, 2012 11:47 AM
Edited By: GixxerJohn on 4 Jun 2012 19:48
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Hey guys on brocks site as we all know,he has a dyno chart showing you the diffrences in removing your flies in which i did. Now he says yes it kills the top end but only by 2 hp,so its worth it. BUT did you notice when he ran it on the dyno with flies in,it was in 3rd gear,with flies out it was in 5th,hence we already know this bike makes more power in the higher gears from kawi. So really the hp will be down more than 2hp. If i'm wrong please explain. But to me it seems he went to a higher gear so it wouldn't show such a hp loss. And if i'm wrong why was the ONLY run with flies out in 5th gear. To me i want the test to be all the way the same though out the test.Yes???? Even wheelie has been waiting for him to fix this in the ecu.
Yes Brock did that on purpose. Don't trust him, remember the PROOF you posted his dyno reads way high.
wee
but you do understand what im saying right? If he did all the runs in 5th gear it would be more than a 2hp difference. Because it is retarded in thrid gear still. I don't understand you guys not getting my point. You brought it up before. He ran flies in in third gear and got 210,and ran flies out in fifth and got 208 but fifth gear isn't retarded like thrid gear hence it's not a fair comparison.
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posted June 04, 2012 11:51 AM
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Hey guys on brocks site as we all know,he has a dyno chart showing you the diffrences in removing your flies in which i did. Now he says yes it kills the top end but only by 2 hp,so its worth it. BUT did you notice when he ran it on the dyno with flies in,it was in 3rd gear,with flies out it was in 5th,hence we already know this bike makes more power in the higher gears from kawi. So really the hp will be down more than 2hp. If i'm wrong please explain. But to me it seems he went to a higher gear so it wouldn't show such a hp loss. And if i'm wrong why was the ONLY run with flies out in 5th gear. To me i want the test to be all the way the same though out the test.Yes???? Even wheelie has been waiting for him to fix this in the ecu.
Yes Brock did that on purpose. Don't trust him, remember the PROOF you posted his dyno reads way high.
wee
but you do understand what im saying right? If he did all the runs in 5th gear it would be more than a 2hp difference. Because it is retarded in thrid gear still. I don't understand you guys not getting my point. You brought it up before. He ran flies in in third gear and got 210,and ran flies out in fifth and got 208 but fifth gear isn't retarded like thrid gear hence it's not a fair comparison.
Call Brock and ask him if he did that on purpose. Get the answer from the right person
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GixxerJohn
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posted June 04, 2012 12:33 PM
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Hey guys on brocks site as we all know,he has a dyno chart showing you the diffrences in removing your flies in which i did. Now he says yes it kills the top end but only by 2 hp,so its worth it. BUT did you notice when he ran it on the dyno with flies in,it was in 3rd gear,with flies out it was in 5th,hence we already know this bike makes more power in the higher gears from kawi. So really the hp will be down more than 2hp. If i'm wrong please explain. But to me it seems he went to a higher gear so it wouldn't show such a hp loss. And if i'm wrong why was the ONLY run with flies out in 5th gear. To me i want the test to be all the way the same though out the test.Yes???? Even wheelie has been waiting for him to fix this in the ecu.
Yes Brock did that on purpose. Don't trust him, remember the PROOF you posted his dyno reads way high.
wee
but you do understand what im saying right? If he did all the runs in 5th gear it would be more than a 2hp difference. Because it is retarded in thrid gear still. I don't understand you guys not getting my point. You brought it up before. He ran flies in in third gear and got 210,and ran flies out in fifth and got 208 but fifth gear isn't retarded like thrid gear hence it's not a fair comparison.
Call Brock and ask him if he did that on purpose. Get the answer from the right person
wee
But i do have a point right? There is logic behind it no?
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posted June 04, 2012 01:22 PM
This is my first post here, have been lurking reading all I could in the last 2 weeks trying to learn. So I hope I don't make a complete idiot of myself as there seems to be some very smart members here.
If you look at the other dyno pic on Brock's site that this thread comes ( a pic showing different peak hp#s depending on gear) I noticed that the 2nd line of the run file shows what gear the bike was actually in for the test. The 5th line of the run file all shows being in the same (5th) gear.
If you look at the 2nd lines of the dyno plot gixxerjohn is referecing they all show 3rd gear. line 4 of the green line does show 5th gear compared to the red and blue showing 3rd. I don't know, just asking does line 2 actually show what gear the bike was in on the run?
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posted June 04, 2012 01:29 PM
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mick46
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posted June 05, 2012 11:31 AM
By your reckoning (in that the text for the green flies out run says so) the bike only makes 190 in 5th (cos thats what the text for the brown 1st gear run says) !
Its fair to say GixxerJohn that you have unearthed some poor text housekeeping ... Look at the second line of the text description ... Not line 4... And all will be OK.
So no attempt to dupe you by Brock and I'm fairly sure his dyno dosn't over-read too !
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