posted May 24, 2012 09:21 AM
Round 3 At The Track: Ready To Quit Racing Totally sucked. I hate the inconsistent traction at my local strip. And last night, two cars spun out on the big end. After the first incident, they cleaned up the debris and I was getting on the track behind the last two cars running. And guess what? RIght in front of my eyes and in my lane, another car lost it up top, and "bang!", right into the wall! Needless to say, my confidence was starting to fade at this point. Bottom line, I ended up running once in each lane on a track that proved to be a 1/4 mile long slip-n-slide, and ended up with a 10.15 and a 9.94 - 60' times were 1.98 and 1.79. I have NEVER experienced the track that damn slippery. Anyway, removing the 14R flies may or may not have helped - my mph still didn't go above 144. I know sometimes a little spin can actually make mph increase, but as horrendous as traction was last night, I'm sure it only hurt it. Just a depressing outing that makes me want to stop racing. Oh well, at least I didn't go into the damn wall and still have a pretty ride ____________
2003 L.E. Hayabusa
posted May 24, 2012 09:31 AM
Don't give up, It can be a little confidence crushing when stuff doesn't go as planned, but the only thing that helps will be seat time. Not much you can do on a slippery track, if that is the case just adapt and have fun anyway.
Where are you located? If you are anywhere near Maryland, come out to MIR some time, without a doubt the best track I have been to. Sticky as hell, and the track crew cleans stuff up quicker and more thouroughly than any I have seen. MiRock Summer Showdown is coming up June 2-3. With a test and tune Friday night for $20.
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2008 ZX14
Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. ~Mark Twain
quote:Don't give up, It can be a little confidence crushing when stuff doesn't go as planned, but the only thing that helps will be seat time. Not much you can do on a slippery track, if that is the case just adapt and have fun anyway.
Where are you located? If you are anywhere near Maryland, come out to MIR some time, without a doubt the best track I have been to. Sticky as hell, and the track crew cleans stuff up quicker and more thouroughly than any I have seen. MiRock Summer Showdown is coming up June 2-3. With a test and tune Friday night for $20.
Thanks Dakota. I'm sure I can always use more seat time. And I do have fun when I'm out there. I'm just depressed right now as I really haven't seen any solid indication that my 14R makes more power than my 2006. Well, it did run over 150 trap speed twice - but then dropped into the mid 140s after that - so make that depressed AND confused...lol. MIR is a bit of a drive for me as I'm in Sacramento I may have to go over to Infineon once just to see if it makes a difference . . .
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2003 L.E. Hayabusa
quote:I would think if you still had your flies you could run quicker then that in
f2 or l1 power mode on a bad track.
Does it limit power with the flies? If so he just pulled his. Curious to see how that stuff is affected. If it has different mapping, I wonder what the AFR would look like after the flies have been removed in these different modes.
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2008 ZX14
Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. ~Mark Twain
quote:I would think if you still had your flies you could run quicker then that in
f2 or l1 power mode on a bad track.
Does it limit power with the flies? If so he just pulled his. Curious to see how that stuff is affected. If it has different mapping, I wonder what the AFR would look like after the flies have been removed in these different modes.
From what I've been told, removing the flys is the answer to defeating the "safety mode" that the bike can potentially enter when under heavy load. Traction control is not affected by removing the flys since it is controlled electronically and therefore does not rely on the secondary throttle plates to limit power. So yeah, as slick as the damn track was last night, I should have left TC3 on for a pass just to see if I would have improved.
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2003 L.E. Hayabusa
posted May 24, 2012 11:59 AM
What tire are you using .. Maddness races at Sac now and then and i have not heard him say anything about traction problems , maybe we need to ask him what tire he is using .. I have had my best luck on crappy tracks with the shinko 008 slick ..
Looking at your sig i see nothing about wheel base on your new bike ? you still at stock wheel base ?
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Smokin Performance Cycles..
Tampa Bay , FL .. Brocks Performance Dealer ..
Gen 2 ZX14R Best ET 8.43 , Best MPH 164.95
quote:What tire are you using .. Maddness races at Sac now and then and i have not heard him say anything about traction problems , maybe we need to ask him what tire he is using .. I have had my best luck on crappy tracks with the shinko 008 slick ..
Looking at your sig i see nothing about wheel base on your new bike ? you still at stock wheel base ?
Stock tire, but it at least got me a 1.62 60' the time before last - Madness was there that day and traction was pretty good - that was also the last time the flys were in. But last night everybody in a car and on a bike was complaining about lack of traction. I'll definitely look into getting the 008 Shinko. Regarding wheel base, yes, still stock.
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2003 L.E. Hayabusa
posted May 24, 2012 12:37 PM
Ok i went back and looked at your other posts and you are still at stock wheel base .. So you most likely still have the stock tire ... Stock tire on this bike will not cut it at the track.. If the track is realy good it will work at a lower PSI , like at 30 psi ..Bad track all bets are off ..
Brock had to dyno the bike with 30 PSI to keep the tire from spinning ..
Next... this bike even for me is damn near impossible to ride at stock wheel base .. Just look at how many passes Ricky G had to make to get this bike to go fast at stock wheel base .. This bike is very hard to ride even for a pro ...
I didn't know you were stock wheel base and I may have given you bad info about pulling your flies , you may just have to much power to use with your bike set up as it is now ..But don't put them back in !!!! I'd rather have the power and not have the bike fall into safe mode.
If it were me ( and it was ) Get some wheel base and a sticky tire .. Bolt on extensions and some chain are a cheap way to .. Get a shinko hook up and put the bike out to 64+ inches ..Gear it down to 16/42 to start with , you may need to go lower with your weight ..
If you are going to keep it stock wheel base change to a 17/41 or 40 to calm down the wheelys and get a better tire like shinko hook up ..
Biggest thing i can tell is you is don't give up .. 3 times to the track on a new bike that makes 200+ HP .. It going to take much longer to get a handle on this bike Vs a gen 1 making much much less HP ..
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Smokin Performance Cycles..
Tampa Bay , FL .. Brocks Performance Dealer ..
Gen 2 ZX14R Best ET 8.43 , Best MPH 164.95
quote:Am i wrong by thinking the flies are what affects the wheelie control and traction control?
Flys have nothing to do with the TC ... My TC works just as it did with the flies in ..
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Smokin Performance Cycles..
Tampa Bay , FL .. Brocks Performance Dealer ..
Gen 2 ZX14R Best ET 8.43 , Best MPH 164.95
quote:Am i wrong by thinking the flies are what affects the wheelie control and traction control?
The flies are not responsible for the traction control. After removing them, I gave it some gas on the street with TC3 on, and it started to break-up when the back tire was losing traction (sort of feels like hitting a rev limiter but before redline). Removing the flies only affects the mysterious "Protection Mode" that is supposedly built into the bike.
Speaking of "Protection Mode", you guys remember this press video with Gadson, the 14R, and the 'Busa, right? I'm betting this "stocker" didn't have it. Otherwise, it would have risked not being dominant in the press release. Just found that idea interesting . . .
posted May 24, 2012 12:52 PM
Edited By: smokinZX14 on 24 May 2012 20:55
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quote:Am i wrong by thinking the flies are what affects the wheelie control and traction control?
The flies are not responsible for the traction control. After removing them, I gave it some gas on the street with TC3 on, and it started to break-up when the back tire was losing traction (sort of feels like hitting a rev limiter but before redline). Removing the flies only affects the mysterious "Protection Mode" that is supposedly built into the bike.
Speaking of "Protection Mode", you guys remember this press video with Gadson, the 14R, and the 'Busa, right? I'm betting this "stocker" didn't have it. Otherwise, it would have risked not being dominant in the press release. Just found that idea interesting . . .
No Ricky said to brock that something was wrong with the bike .. It went into safe mode on Ricky a few times and he said WTF is going on here ? It happened to me also with the flies in place ... Brock had it happen on the same bike ... If you keep the RPMs above a RPM level like 4500 it will not happen .. But bog the bike down below 3500 it will kick in .. If you watch Rickys video from Atco you will see one run where he bogged the bike coming out of the hole and the bike damn near died and that cut the video at that point .. He got to low on the RPMs and it went into safe mode ..
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Smokin Performance Cycles..
Tampa Bay , FL .. Brocks Performance Dealer ..
Gen 2 ZX14R Best ET 8.43 , Best MPH 164.95
posted May 24, 2012 12:59 PM
Edited By: smokinZX14 on 24 May 2012 21:01
Check out 9.50 into the video and you will see and hear the safe mode kick in ..
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Smokin Performance Cycles..
Tampa Bay , FL .. Brocks Performance Dealer ..
Gen 2 ZX14R Best ET 8.43 , Best MPH 164.95
quote:Ok i went back and looked at your other posts and you are still at stock wheel base .. So you most likely still have the stock tire ... Stock tire on this bike will not cut it at the track.. If the track is realy good it will work at a lower PSI , like at 30 psi ..Bad track all bets are off ..
Brock had to dyno the bike with 30 PSI to keep the tire from spinning ..
Next... this bike even for me is damn near impossible to ride at stock wheel base .. Just look at how many passes Ricky G had to make to get this bike to go fast at stock wheel base .. This bike is very hard to ride even for a pro ...
I didn't know you were stock wheel base and I may have given you bad info about pulling your flies , you may just have to much power to use with your bike set up as it is now ..But don't put them back in !!!! I'd rather have the power and not have the bike fall into safe mode.
If it were me ( and it was ) Get some wheel base and a sticky tire .. Bolt on extensions and some chain are a cheap way to .. Get a shinko hook up and put the bike out to 64+ inches ..Gear it down to 16/42 to start with , you may need to go lower with your weight ..
If you are going to keep it stock wheel base change to a 17/41 or 40 to calm down the wheelys and get a better tire like shinko hook up ..
Biggest thing i can tell is you is don't give up .. 3 times to the track on a new bike that makes 200+ HP .. It going to take much longer to get a handle on this bike Vs a gen 1 making much much less HP ..
Thanks, Lee - I appreciate the advice. Maybe there is something wrong with me, or the bike, or the track, maybe all three...lol. Honestly, I'm still puzzled at how the bike made 2 passes at 150+ mph and (starting the same day) dropped 6 mph and has stayed there ever since. Maybe protection made was kicking on when I had traction and when I went back without the flys the traction was so poor that the bike couldn't get enough grip to get that mph back. There's a reputable dyno tuner not far from me so I may put it on the dyno just to make sure it's in the ballpark of where it should be. Maybe I'm already showing the effects of not having the clutch mod?? I do plan on keeping it SWB for now. If I do change the gearing, will it affect the speedo? I thought I read somewhere that the new bike reads speed off the wheel so changing the gearing won't affect the reading . . .?
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2003 L.E. Hayabusa
quote:Ok i went back and looked at your other posts and you are still at stock wheel base .. So you most likely still have the stock tire ... Stock tire on this bike will not cut it at the track.. If the track is realy good it will work at a lower PSI , like at 30 psi ..Bad track all bets are off ..
Brock had to dyno the bike with 30 PSI to keep the tire from spinning ..
Next... this bike even for me is damn near impossible to ride at stock wheel base .. Just look at how many passes Ricky G had to make to get this bike to go fast at stock wheel base .. This bike is very hard to ride even for a pro ...
I didn't know you were stock wheel base and I may have given you bad info about pulling your flies , you may just have to much power to use with your bike set up as it is now ..But don't put them back in !!!! I'd rather have the power and not have the bike fall into safe mode.
If it were me ( and it was ) Get some wheel base and a sticky tire .. Bolt on extensions and some chain are a cheap way to .. Get a shinko hook up and put the bike out to 64+ inches ..Gear it down to 16/42 to start with , you may need to go lower with your weight ..
If you are going to keep it stock wheel base change to a 17/41 or 40 to calm down the wheelys and get a better tire like shinko hook up ..
Biggest thing i can tell is you is don't give up .. 3 times to the track on a new bike that makes 200+ HP .. It going to take much longer to get a handle on this bike Vs a gen 1 making much much less HP ..
Thanks, Lee - I appreciate the advice. Maybe there is something wrong with me, or the bike, or the track, maybe all three...lol. Honestly, I'm still puzzled at how the bike made 2 passes at 150+ mph and (starting the same day) dropped 6 mph and has stayed there ever since. Maybe protection made was kicking on when I had traction and when I went back without the flys the traction was so poor that the bike couldn't get enough grip to get that mph back. There's a reputable dyno tuner not far from me so I may put it on the dyno just to make sure it's in the ballpark of where it should be. Maybe I'm already showing the effects of not having the clutch mod?? I do plan on keeping it SWB for now. If I do change the gearing, will it affect the speedo? I thought I read somewhere that the new bike reads speed off the wheel so changing the gearing won't affect the reading . . .?
Gearing will not change the speedo reading .. It gets the speedo signal off the front and rear wheels sensors ..
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Smokin Performance Cycles..
Tampa Bay , FL .. Brocks Performance Dealer ..
Gen 2 ZX14R Best ET 8.43 , Best MPH 164.95
posted May 24, 2012 01:10 PM
"Check out 9.20 into the video and you will see and hear the safe mode kick in .."
It looked like to me that he just let off at 1/2 track - but if the protection mode is something obvious when it happens (like the way he apparently got out of it at the 1/8th), then I don't think I've experienced that. Which would only confuse me even more as to why my bike ran over 150 mph a couple times and then dropped 6 mph. If I were reading this, I'd be guessing "rider error", but I do have enough seat time in general to believe otherwise. Oh well, I could be wrong.
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2003 L.E. Hayabusa
My post said 9.50 in the video , not 9.20 .. ____________
Smokin Performance Cycles..
Tampa Bay , FL .. Brocks Performance Dealer ..
Gen 2 ZX14R Best ET 8.43 , Best MPH 164.95
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posted May 24, 2012 09:21 AM
I may have to go over to Infineon once just to see if it makes a difference . . .
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