Hayabusa14
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posted May 03, 2012 05:40 PM
Brock, I have the CT meg (with the street map) on a 2012 ZX14R, no problem at all.
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eklipse636
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posted May 03, 2012 05:50 PM
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Brock, I have the CT meg (with the street map) on a 2012 ZX14R, no problem at all.
You coming to the track Sunday? Street et and 6.0!
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CraZX14
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posted May 04, 2012 12:30 PM
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It is going to remove the slow speed bucking as you approach traffic lights and slow downs, and make it feel more like stock. You won't have to clutch as early as you do currently and can remain in gear longer before clutching and applying brakes...much smoother....ask me how I know!
Out of curiosity, how many other members here noticed the stumble/buck etc. when using our street map?
Brock
Had my 1st ride w/ CT Meg / street map yesterday and at low speeds, I'm pulling the clutch sooner before stopping - bike seems to just wanna keep moving forward....I know, usually that is the goal 
Update: Idle adjusted - problem solved. No issue at all w/ street map.
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Newf14
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posted May 04, 2012 01:06 PM
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It is going to remove the slow speed bucking as you approach traffic lights and slow downs, and make it feel more like stock. You won't have to clutch as early as you do currently and can remain in gear longer before clutching and applying brakes...much smoother....ask me how I know!
Out of curiosity, how many other members here noticed the stumble/buck etc. when using our street map?
Brock
I have had a stumble in my 07 ZX14 at low RPM2000-3000 I have checked everything and she is still like it.Ill do a video the next time the bike is out to show you what it dose.
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WARBIRD
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posted May 04, 2012 01:17 PM
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It is going to remove the slow speed bucking as you approach traffic lights and slow downs, and make it feel more like stock. You won't have to clutch as early as you do currently and can remain in gear longer before clutching and applying brakes...much smoother....ask me how I know!
Out of curiosity, how many other members here noticed the stumble/buck etc. when using our street map?
Brock
Had my 1st ride w/ CT Meg / street map yesterday and at low speeds, I'm pulling the clutch sooner before stopping - bike seems to just wanna keep moving forward....I know, usually that is the goal
Update: Idle adjusted - problem solved. No issue at all w/ street map.
My posts from the previous page............
"Or from simply going to slow with the clutch still engaged, forcing it below idle speed......"
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No hacking from this guy.....just something I have seen people do, force it below idle without dissengaging the clutch, and buckbuckbuck........especially if the idle is set too high.
Just an observation.......... "
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blue07
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posted May 04, 2012 08:54 PM
 Edited By: blue07 on 5 May 2012 04:55
Mine was doing it...at VERY LOW SPEED...minimal throttle...steady throttle...IDK how many rpms...I didn't look..Chain adjusted fine.Guhl ECU(tested it after removing exhaust(CT Single)...Guhl flashed ECU NOT causing the bucking.IDK what was causing it really,But without the CT Exhaust and PCV...it was fine.I did NOT do a test of the piping ONLY and no PCV....so again...I can't say which or what TWO things it may have been.It wasn't exactly a stumble...no...more like a pulsing type of slow/go feeling...pretty pronounced on my bike anyway...stock gearing.TC on 1.I plan on reinstalling Brock's system again very soon....It really is a very good investment.BTW....Steve at Brock's sent me another 'updated' map this AM.Thanks to you guys there at Brock's....
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mick46
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posted May 05, 2012 12:29 AM
Very good description from blue07 "pulsing type of slow/go", I have the same at about 1500rpms but who would (deliberately) run down to that engine speed before pulling in the clutch ? CT Meg pipe with no PCV = no pulsing, so must be something to do with the PCV. Interestingly my S1000RR did exactly the same thing (with an Austin Racing system on it) and a custom map. So to me it has nothing to do with Brocks pipe or mapping although I have no doubt an updated map could 'cure' it.
Fantastic forum by the way and a big thank you to all the members on here who share so much valuable knowledge.
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Brocks CT Meg, PCV & QuickShifter, Brembo M4 Monoblocs, Grimeca 320mm discs, Nitron Race shock, Gilles rearsets , adjusters and TCA axle nut, Supersprox 42T, DID nickel plate X-ring, HEL brake lines, bar risers, shorty levers, tail tidy, Zero Gravity screen, RandG spools and bar ends, GPR V4 damper.... Done !
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SixSixoh6
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posted May 05, 2012 01:44 AM
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It is going to remove the slow speed bucking as you approach traffic lights and slow downs, and make it feel more like stock. You won't have to clutch as early as you do currently and can remain in gear longer before clutching and applying brakes...much smoother....ask me how I know!
Out of curiosity, how many other members here noticed the stumble/buck etc. when using our street map?
Brock
ya know...now that you mention that, there was a slight stumble on my 2006 with an AH. and have noticed it on other friends bikes fitted with brock's exhaust and map. Nature of the beast i imagine. the bikes were an 04 gix 1000 and an 04 busa. not quite sure of the rpm on their bikes but you could hear it riding next to them
of course i don't know if you are just referring to the 14r
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Hayabusa14
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posted May 05, 2012 06:13 AM
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Brock, I have the CT meg (with the street map) on a 2012 ZX14R, no problem at all.
You coming to the track Sunday? Street et and 6.0!
I hope too
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Kawifast
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posted May 05, 2012 12:22 PM
So for anyone with the "new" street map...how is it?
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Goldwingmann
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posted May 05, 2012 12:27 PM
Outstanding!
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eklipse636
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posted May 05, 2012 12:29 PM
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Outstanding!
What's the change on the map? Fuel added or taken away?
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ryn0cer0s
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posted May 05, 2012 01:03 PM
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Outstanding!
What's the change on the map? Fuel added or taken away?
ANSWER: no clue
its hard to tell when you dont have a PCV, map or even a bike...When are you going to post pics of your bike? I am sure that anyone who has all those bikes has a phone capable of uploading a pic.
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Wheelie
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posted May 05, 2012 04:58 PM
So one person has an issue with a Brocks map and others notice the same thing after 6 years? At the track I park behind the staging lanes, I start my 14r put it in 1st gear, holding my helmet with my right hand on the tank, idle from a dead stop, shift into 2nd, then shift into 3rd at idle with no bucking at all, the massive torque pulls it at zero throttle. I don't see any need for a revised map for a problem that does not exist for most of us. If my 14r suddenly starts the mysteriously bucking I will be the first to eat crow but it doesn't exist with my bike.
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eklipse636
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posted May 05, 2012 05:03 PM
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So one person has an issue with a Brocks map and others notice the same thing after 6 years? At the track I park behind the staging lanes, I start my 14r put it in 1st gear, holding my helmet with my right hand on the tank, idle from a dead stop, shift into 2nd, then shift into 3rd at idle with no bucking at all, the massive torque pulls it at zero throttle. I don't see any need for a revised map for a problem that does not exist for most of us. If my 14r suddenly starts the mysteriously bucking I will be the first to eat crow but it doesn't exist with my bike.
wee
Wee, we don't know anything. We're just drag racers that go in a straight line.
Ask a teenager, that's how you get REAL info.
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Wheelie
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posted May 05, 2012 05:05 PM
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So one person has an issue with a Brocks map and others notice the same thing after 6 years? At the track I park behind the staging lanes, I start my 14r put it in 1st gear, holding my helmet with my right hand on the tank, idle from a dead stop, shift into 2nd, then shift into 3rd at idle with no bucking at all, the massive torque pulls it at zero throttle. I don't see any need for a revised map for a problem that does not exist for most of us. If my 14r suddenly starts the mysteriously bucking I will be the first to eat crow but it doesn't exist with my bike.
wee
Wee, we don't know anything. We're just drag racers that go in a straight line.
Ask a teenager, that's how you get REAL info.
I use to be a teenager, I was never wrong.
just mistaken sometimes lol
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Viper
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posted May 05, 2012 11:30 PM
There is no updated street map. Only the track map
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eklipse636
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posted May 06, 2012 01:55 AM
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There is no updated street map. Only the track map
Dang, Goldwing got proved again he has no idea what he's talking about.
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Hayabusa14
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posted May 06, 2012 03:06 AM
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So one person has an issue with a Brocks map and others notice the same thing after 6 years? At the track I park behind the staging lanes, I start my 14r put it in 1st gear, holding my helmet with my right hand on the tank, idle from a dead stop, shift into 2nd, then shift into 3rd at idle with no bucking at all, the massive torque pulls it at zero throttle. I don't see any need for a revised map for a problem that does not exist for most of us. If my 14r suddenly starts the mysteriously bucking I will be the first to eat crow but it doesn't exist with my bike.
wee
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bentz69
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posted May 07, 2012 02:36 PM
is this update for the 2012 only? what about the earlier years?
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eklipse636
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posted May 07, 2012 04:01 PM
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is this update for the 2012 only? what about the earlier years?
There is no update. There is nothing wrong with their bike. Consider the source.
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Kawifast
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posted May 08, 2012 05:52 AM
I by no means mean to stir the pot and respect those who are currently running any of Brocks pipes with the original street map designed for the 2012 zx14R with 0 problems.
There are more than a couple who experienced a problem, (note Blue and Mick above) with the original street map after install and Brock did more or less confirm he could be replicate it. I'm one who did recieve a two new maps from Brock over the weekend, Street and Track. I have a PC5 with Brocks original street map loaded on it ready for install along with my CT Duals. So..I'm confused. Is the "new" street map a revised new release to address the low end surging issue or not? I'm just trying to decide whtether to install the PC5 with the original street map or to install the "new" one, IF there is a new one
Again...just want to make sure I get the right map the first time.
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2012 BMW S1000RR
2012 BMW K1600GT
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dakota9498
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posted May 08, 2012 06:02 AM
Open the maps on your computer and look at the description they should say what they are. Regardless, I would go with the newest one.
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Kawifast
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posted May 08, 2012 06:07 AM
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Open the maps on your computer and look at the description they should say what they are. Regardless, I would go with the newest one.
Right...realize that's the easy answer. I just replaced my PC and haven't downloaded the PC5 data yet, so i can't open the file without corrupting it. I'll do that tonight.
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2012 BMW S1000RR
2012 BMW K1600GT
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Goldwingmann
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posted May 08, 2012 06:35 AM
Edited By: Goldwingmann on 8 May 2012 14:41
You don't have decent advice to offer....if the shoe fits..wear it!
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