feastofwolves
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posted April 06, 2012 08:26 AM
help! no start/hard start 06 14
hey guys, new to the site though I have been lurking for a bit. My name is Sterling and I live in BC, Canada. Any ways onto my problem. yesterday morning I go to hop on my 14 and she doesn't fire up. When I hit the start button she would crank but wouldn't catch and the little red dash light would flash with each crank. tried it a couple more times, same result. key off, key on try again same result. key off let it sit for two minutes and then she fired up like normal. I went to put air in the tire. shut her down and went through a similar process to start her again but this time when she fired up there was a clattering sound for a couple seconds that came from what sounded like the top end. when I got home she fired up five or six times no issue. was super busy yesterday so haven't touched her since... any ideas? thanks in advance gurus
  
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shawnski
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posted April 06, 2012 08:40 AM
 Edited By: shawnski on 6 Apr 2012 16:42
start with easy check... check your battery connection.. do you have a pc?? looks like loose wiring.
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venomous_zx
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2012 14r - low and long-
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posted April 06, 2012 08:50 AM
Edited By: venomous_zx on 6 Apr 2012 17:18
try resetting your ecu.... like shawnski stated check battery connections... then make sure your getting spark and fuel. power commander?? have you done anything lately to your bike?
when your turn your key on do you hear your fuel pump turn on?
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feastofwolves
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posted April 06, 2012 02:03 PM
checked battery wiring. removed negative terminal and reconnected it. i have a wiseco fuel controller not a pc... don't really know much about it as it came with the bike. all the wires on the fuel controller go to a harness on the left side of the frame kind of under the tank. can I unplug this harness without risking damage when running the bike(never had a piggy back fuel controller before). when I tried to start it it did the same thing as yesterday. after re connecting the battery it would start but now when I turn the key to on (yes the fuel pump primes) i hear a noise i did not hear before. sounds kind of like a servo or small electric motor (difficult sound to explain) in the bottom of the gas tank /throttle body region. as well when I shut the bike off I hear what sounds like a relay clicking.coming from the tail (this noise may have been present before as I first noticed it with the seat off). the only thing I have changed recently is the battery, I installed a shorai. Thanks again guys
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Viper
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posted April 06, 2012 02:27 PM
The relay in the rear will click and also the actuator for the secondaries will reset in the front when u turn the key on and off
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venomous_zx
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2012 14r - low and long-
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posted April 06, 2012 03:01 PM
So eveything checks out so far. Next is fire to your plugs. Your prolly getting fuel but now you need spark to ignite. Check your coils... Possibly a sensor like crankshaft sensor or similar. When I get off tonight ill look in the service manual.
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feastofwolves
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posted April 06, 2012 03:18 PM
good to know viper. will give more feedback when I have a chance to ride her.
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feastofwolves
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posted April 06, 2012 03:25 PM
thanks venomous, don't have one of those yet:-$ any info on how to test the coils would be awesome as I was planning on doing this anyway. I have been experiencing a mild miss when decelerating and at idle (more pronounced.when warming up) maybe these issues are related. I should have mentioned that from the start.
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SixSixoh6
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posted April 06, 2012 04:26 PM
what year bike? if im not mistaken i believe i heard of a tip sensor problem on the 2006 models causing a no start..
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2006 ZX-14: Murdered out, in the dirt, extended, sprayed, air shifted, geared--GONE
2009 ZX-14 SE--has two wheels and an engine
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venomous_zx
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posted April 06, 2012 04:53 PM
The tip over sensor would not allow the bike to even crank over. I just pull the coil out and put a plug in it and put plug near metal and tap starter. You should see it arc and hear it tick everytime it sparks. Its a crude method but works. Use at your indescretion.
I never had problems doing it. Be careful is all im saying
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trganey
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posted April 07, 2012 01:54 AM
Have heard of a few that had ground wire problems where it connects to the frame.
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venomous_zx
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posted April 07, 2012 02:18 AM
Threadlocker is a good friend of mine. Lol.
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feastofwolves
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posted April 07, 2012 10:53 AM
the same ground for the battery? I do have an 06.
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feastofwolves
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posted April 07, 2012 10:58 AM
anybody know how to test the coils with a multimeter? I'm sure your method works venomous but I'll feel a lot better about it if I have a specific range to test a measured resistance against... Seems more fool(me) proof.
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venomous_zx
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posted April 07, 2012 01:23 PM
Sorry I hadnt gotten back yet. Been busy at work. If im not to tired ill check to see if I find what your looking for
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RICH CRAFT 1
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posted April 07, 2012 02:05 PM
I wouldn't worry about the rattling coming from the top in, a lot of the older models, rattle own start up because of a weak hydraulic timing chain adjuster. I don't think the problem is in your coils, I would be suspicious of this piggyback fuel injector "wiseco fuel controller" I have no ideal how it plugs in, but the PCs plugged in right under the fuel injectors. Just over the starter motor, I don't know if this is the case, but I would be trying to go around this unit First, to eliminate it.
Ken
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SixSixoh6
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posted April 07, 2012 09:56 PM
before you even go through all that trouble...what was the voltage reading given from the bike with the key on? with the bike running does the system show its charging? If the 14 doesnt see a certain voltage it will NOT run...was the battery you took out even bad to begin with?
Back to the basics here...if you didnt have this problem before the battery change then thats your problem.
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2006 ZX-14: Murdered out, in the dirt, extended, sprayed, air shifted, geared--GONE
2009 ZX-14 SE--has two wheels and an engine
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feastofwolves
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posted April 10, 2012 05:18 PM
13.something key on. 14.2 while running. my previous battery was shot and I've had this one in for a couple weeks. my bike has 45 000 kilometers on her, when those cam chain tensioners go can they cause starting/running issues? how long do they usually last?
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Joe Cool
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posted April 11, 2012 06:53 PM
A friend of mine had silmilar issues with his 6r....he found out the in tank fuel filter was clogged. He cleaned it & everything is good now. Was there ever an aftermarket kill switch installed for a lanyard? Bad wiring there could be killing your spark.
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Joe Cool
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posted April 11, 2012 07:17 PM
Resistance of the primary coil should be 1.2~1.6 ohms measured between the contacts you see when you pull the connector out of the coil.
Resistance of the secondary coil should be 8.5 ~11.5 Kohms measured between the contact to the right as you are looking at the connector of the coil and the spark plug connection.
Hope this helps.
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Joe Cool
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posted April 11, 2012 07:35 PM
Edited By: Joe Cool on 12 Apr 2012 03:39
Correction.... on the secondary coil, it's the contact on the left of the connector and the spark plug connection.
Sorry for the confusion.
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