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RICH CRAFT 1


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posted January 26, 2012 12:31 PM        
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Lee, there is nothing wrong with your shifter. the problem lies in the tracks won't put down any good track glue! they are cutting the glue with a lot of methanol to save money. When you first get there, it seems to be okay. But with the extra alcohol. It dries out quickly. That and the streetcars seem to suck up what ever glue is left. if the 14 spans it won't shift. this drove me crazy at first until I realized what was going on. if you have a wego 3 it will show the wheelspin, but I have never been able to feel it.

Ken
Trust me it was NOT spinning .. We only had 90 PSI .. Once it was set back to 145 PSI NO missed shifts .. The track was dead hooking all night even for 4 second cars ..


that could very well be, I know when wee tried to use the paintball regulator. He had a lot of problems with consistency. it would start out on 120 pounds, and by the fifth or six gear change it would be way down, the one I use and wee also uses, is made by Carolina cycles and I think Adams also sells it, it is in the $70 range, but it works great and no more problems. one thing you might try before that is to use the air tank in your swingarm, it will make the 145 PSI more consistent and not work the regulator so hard.

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RICH CRAFT 1


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posted January 26, 2012 01:07 PM        
http://www.adamsperformance.net/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=High+Pressure+Regulator

I don't know if this will pull up, but this is the regulator I use.

Ken
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smokinZX14


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posted January 26, 2012 02:19 PM        Edited By: smokinZX14 on 26 Jan 2012 22:29
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http://www.adamsperformance.net/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=High+Pressure+Regulator

I don't know if this will pull up, but this is the regulator I use.

Ken
Thanks Rich ... I can get the same reg from MRE and he is just down the street from me .. That is mostlikely the way i'm going ..
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posted January 26, 2012 02:21 PM        
great running Smokin, faster every week!!

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smokinZX14


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posted January 26, 2012 02:28 PM        
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Lee, there is nothing wrong with your shifter. the problem lies in the tracks won't put down any good track glue! they are cutting the glue with a lot of methanol to save money. When you first get there, it seems to be okay. But with the extra alcohol. It dries out quickly. That and the streetcars seem to suck up what ever glue is left. if the 14 spans it won't shift. this drove me crazy at first until I realized what was going on. if you have a wego 3 it will show the wheelspin, but I have never been able to feel it.

Ken
Trust me it was NOT spinning .. We only had 90 PSI .. Once it was set back to 145 PSI NO missed shifts .. The track was dead hooking all night even for 4 second cars ..


that could very well be, I know when wee tried to use the paintball regulator. He had a lot of problems with consistency. it would start out on 120 pounds, and by the fifth or six gear change it would be way down, the one I use and wee also uses, is made by Carolina cycles and I think Adams also sells it, it is in the $70 range, but it works great and no more problems. one thing you might try before that is to use the air tank in your swingarm, it will make the 145 PSI more consistent and not work the regulator so hard.

Ken
I think we are on the same page .. The paint ball Reg i believe doesn't have the CFM rating needed to recover fast enough for the next shift .. I was thinking that plumbing the feed line into my swing arm might help the problem .. That just might patch the problem , but i think i would rather Fix the problem with a better Regulator ..
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smokinZX14


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posted January 26, 2012 02:31 PM        
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great running Smokin, faster every week!!

wee
Thanks Wee .. You getting ready for some track time soon ?
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SteddyTeddy


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posted January 26, 2012 02:31 PM        
Can you post a picture of that regulator installed? I assume it screws into the shut off valve like any other? I'm thinking hard about converting from pump to CO2.
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posted January 26, 2012 02:34 PM        
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great running Smokin, faster every week!!

wee
Thanks Wee .. You getting ready for some track time soon ?
This weekend

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smokinZX14


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posted January 26, 2012 02:36 PM        
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Can you post a picture of that regulator installed? I assume it screws into the shut off valve like any other? I'm thinking hard about converting from pump to CO2.
Teddy looks to be 1/8 inch pipe thread just like mine has now .. Should be able to screw it right where the other one comes out .. One thing for sure Teddy is we need a bigger gauge so we can read it ...lol...
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Shane661


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posted January 26, 2012 02:39 PM        
Lee, I haven't seen your setup...but I have seen issues with certain tanks being more problem-prone. If the pin doesn't depress fully it won't feed a steady pressure, if that makes sense?

I use the 3.5 and 9 oz paintball tanks, and sometimes you really have to screw the reg down tight to get the bottle to flow and recover pressure. It is dependent on the bottle head. Depending on where you have your solenoid mounted, it can be really easy to test this by unhooking from the ram, and testing shifting a few times while watching the pressure gauge to see if it recovers.

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posted January 26, 2012 02:46 PM        
get rid of the paintball stuff.

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RICH CRAFT 1


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posted January 26, 2012 06:00 PM        Edited By: RICH CRAFT 1 on 27 Jan 2012 02:01
Lee, I have a swingarm like yours, the two holes for the air tank are eighth inch pipe. The same as the pressure regulator. it has 4 holes in it, the one you see coming straight out of the end. Go straight to the bottle, high pressure, there are three holes on the side, two of them are low pressure adjustable, and one is high pressure. two of the side ones are the 120 psi regulated, one is high pressure, you can use one of the side one low pressure, with a 1 inch X eighth of an inch pipe,"steel" do not use bras, it will break off, screw one end to the regulator on the side, screw the other one into your swing arm air tank ,this will solid mount it to your swingarm. come out of the other side of your air tank and go to the air shifter. The two holes that are left over, one can be used for low pressure gauge, The other for high pressure gauge. don't mix them up or you will be buying a new low pressure gauge. Like I did LOL.

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smokinZX14


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posted January 26, 2012 06:08 PM        
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Lee, I have a swingarm like yours, the two holes for the air tank are eighth inch pipe. The same as the pressure regulator. it has 4 holes in it, the one you see coming straight out of the end. Go straight to the bottle, high pressure, there are three holes on the side, two of them are low pressure adjustable, and one is high pressure. two of the side ones are the 120 psi regulated, one is high pressure, you can use one of the side one low pressure, with a 1 inch X eighth of an inch pipe,"steel" do not use bras, it will break off, screw one end to the regulator on the side, screw the other one into your swing arm air tank ,this will solid mount it to your swingarm. come out of the other side of your air tank and go to the air shifter. The two holes that are left over, one can be used for low pressure gauge, The other for high pressure gauge. don't mix them up or you will be buying a new low pressure gauge. Like I did LOL.

Ken
Thanks for the info .. That will be a great help for sure ..
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smokinZX14


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posted January 26, 2012 06:10 PM        
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Lee, I haven't seen your setup...but I have seen issues with certain tanks being more problem-prone. If the pin doesn't depress fully it won't feed a steady pressure, if that makes sense?

I use the 3.5 and 9 oz paintball tanks, and sometimes you really have to screw the reg down tight to get the bottle to flow and recover pressure. It is dependent on the bottle head. Depending on where you have your solenoid mounted, it can be really easy to test this by unhooking from the ram, and testing shifting a few times while watching the pressure gauge to see if it recovers.

Shane
Thanks Shane , i will test that also ..
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posted January 26, 2012 06:35 PM        
Smokin don't smash your regulator with a hammer, send it to me first. I think I'm going back to co2 and every bike I race with uses that same regulator you have and no issues. I may buy it from you if you want to sell it.
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posted January 26, 2012 07:23 PM        
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Smokin don't smash your regulator with a hammer, send it to me first. I think I'm going back to co2 and every bike I race with uses that same regulator you have and no issues. I may buy it from you if you want to sell it.
Bently you can have it ..You will have to set it before every run because it will not stay set .. Put it at 145 and then the next time you look at it it will be at 90 .. I turned it on tonight just checking it and it was at 200 psi !! There is something very wrong with it .. The adjustment screw has nothing to hold it in place .. You just touch it and it moves .. It would not suprise me if it fell out on its own ..There is nothing to hold tension on the set screw, no spring , no nothing ..

If i can keep it set at 145 it works great .. They should call it a guess a gear air shifter ..Because it's a guess if it will work or not ..
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posted January 26, 2012 07:35 PM        Edited By: smokinZX14 on 27 Jan 2012 03:37
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Lee, I haven't seen your setup...but I have seen issues with certain tanks being more problem-prone. If the pin doesn't depress fully it won't feed a steady pressure, if that makes sense?

I use the 3.5 and 9 oz paintball tanks, and sometimes you really have to screw the reg down tight to get the bottle to flow and recover pressure. It is dependent on the bottle head. Depending on where you have your solenoid mounted, it can be really easy to test this by unhooking from the ram, and testing shifting a few times while watching the pressure gauge to see if it recovers.

Shane
Shane i tested it , screw the pin valve all the way down like i always do and it will empty a 20 OZ bottle in a heart beat .. It's in the reg somewhere .. If i set it to 145 it's ok for that run ... Check it before the next run it might be at 120 , next run 90.. .next run 175.. turned it on tonight just to check it and it was at 200 psi .. I set it on the last run last night at 145 and today it's 200 ? The bottle pressure doesn't change , it was at 820 all night ...
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posted January 26, 2012 08:16 PM        
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Smokin don't smash your regulator with a hammer, send it to me first. I think I'm going back to co2 and every bike I race with uses that same regulator you have and no issues. I may buy it from you if you want to sell it.
Bently you can have it ..You will have to set it before every run because it will not stay set .. Put it at 145 and then the next time you look at it it will be at 90 .. I turned it on tonight just checking it and it was at 200 psi !! There is something very wrong with it .. The adjustment screw has nothing to hold it in place .. You just touch it and it moves .. It would not suprise me if it fell out on its own ..There is nothing to hold tension on the set screw, no spring , no nothing ..

If i can keep it set at 145 it works great .. They should call it a guess a gear air shifter ..Because it's a guess if it will work or not ..


Set it and put a little dab of whiteout on it. We (avionics or electronics techs) use that on potentiometers all the time and it holds during cat shots on the carriers.
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posted January 27, 2012 03:17 AM        
You are hauling ass Lee! Congrats the only thing I hate about you posting is its making me wanna go out and buy a new 14r
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smokinZX14


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posted January 27, 2012 06:26 PM        
Got the new 3000 psi Reg installed today .. What a difference between that paint ball Reg and a real Reg .. It a real nice unit for sure ... MRE had one in stock , so i drove over and picked it up along with a low pressuer gauge that i put in my steering stem hole so a could keep a close look at my running pressure .. Air recovery time is 10 times faster that the paint ball Reg .. It has a large knob to set the output pressure and has a locking set screw to keep in place unlike the paint ball Reg that has nothing to hold it in place ..


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