Meangreen14
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posted January 14, 2012 12:02 AM
Cycle logic scavenger pump
Ok my cycle logic oil scavenger pump just gave out, the damn thing is brand new just a couple weeks old, the last one only lasted 3 months! WTH any one know a better pump. I'm stuck at work freezing my ass off lol. Thanks & everyone have a safe weeknd!
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Seno
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posted January 14, 2012 02:56 AM
Your the 2nd person this week that has had issues with Cycle Logic products.... Have you tried getting it replaced from the Mfg?
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1badzx12r
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posted January 14, 2012 06:15 AM
 Edited By: 1badzx12r on 14 Jan 2012 14:17
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Ok my cycle logic oil scavenger pump just gave out, the damn thing is brand new just a couple weeks old, the last one only lasted 3 months! WTH any one know a better pump. I'm stuck at work freezing my ass off lol. Thanks & everyone have a safe weeknd!
i use to have the same problem. until i put a heat shield on it to keep the exhaust heat off of it .. 1 pump lasted 2 years .. before the shield i went thru 6 pumps in 1 year .. i haven't tried it yet but i'm gonna try to run the oil line without the pump and see what happens next time ..
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kawpower
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posted January 14, 2012 06:20 AM
the jones performance turbo kit dosent use it and no problems.
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1badzx12r
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posted January 14, 2012 06:23 AM
Edited By: 1badzx12r on 14 Jan 2012 14:31
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the jones performance turbo kit dosent use it and no problems.
no i've seen video's of it smoking at the starting gate .. i can live with a little smoke tho
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT7C0m1xvOs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiU10KKx2WE&NR=1&feature=endscreen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mWkRQGh7rQ&feature=related
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Meangreen14
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posted January 14, 2012 06:39 AM
The pump went out and it started smoking like a diesel truck at full throttle...
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Meangreen14
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posted January 14, 2012 06:41 AM
Ima call Schnitz racing hear in min
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Meangreen14
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posted January 14, 2012 06:45 AM
I put some heat tape on the mounting bracket between oil pan and Pump
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1badzx12r
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posted January 14, 2012 07:05 AM
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I put some heat tape on the mounting bracket between oil pan and Pump
ok .but i don't think thats enough if you got it mounted in front of the pulse cover.. i had to cut a piece of sheet metal to form of the hole or gap between engine and front fairing to cover the turbo.. and then drill a hole into it to mount it to 1 of the turbo header flange bolts .. it gets gool air when riding and blocks heat at idle and riding
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1badzx12r
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posted January 14, 2012 07:07 AM
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The pump went out and it started smoking like a diesel truck at full throttle...
oh i know .. but thats because the oil is completely block off when the pump fails..you can also make it smoke like that when you hit the kill switch while going down the road ..
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1badzx14
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posted January 14, 2012 07:43 AM
I run a holley blue pump,it's made for gas but pumps the oil just fine!!!!
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kawpower
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posted January 14, 2012 08:33 AM
1bad14 u have a jones kit? and if so u still wanted a pump can i ask why? is a little smoke without a pump a bad thing?
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1badzx12r
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posted January 14, 2012 09:15 AM
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is a little smoke without a pump a bad thing?
it is if your a streetbike .. cause somewhere your gonna need to add oil .. and its embarrassing at redlites and in public .. but yet i carry a spare oil pump if mine breaks on a road trips.. you know like a 500 mile ride 1 way in a day "road trip"
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Meangreen14
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posted January 14, 2012 12:36 PM
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is a little smoke without a pump a bad thing?
it is if your a streetbike .. cause somewhere your gonna need to add oil .. and its embarrassing at redlites and in public .. but yet i carry a spare oil pump if mine breaks on a road trips.. you know like a 500 mile ride 1 way in a day "road trip"
Yep
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posted January 14, 2012 12:38 PM
I just bought a holley blue pump that think is big!
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Meangreen14
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posted January 14, 2012 12:39 PM
That cycle logic one was on back order
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posted January 14, 2012 12:42 PM
I'm not sure what pump you guys are running and it's dimensions & output are but below is a couple pictures of a Tilton pump that I've been using on my turbo ZRX for over 5 years without a hitch.
Don't know if it would even work in your application but I thought I'd make a post since it sounds like your not having much luck in what you're using.
Dan
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posted January 14, 2012 01:35 PM
Reliable pump, and not badly priced , but there big
I use a VDO oil pump, there a small EFI pump style, about the size of 2 d cell batteries but made to pump oil from car gearboxes to oil coolers ,
examples here
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ELECTRIC-OIL-SCAVANGE-PUMP-VDO-DIFF-GEARBOX-TURBO-/260871927439?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3cbd2db68f
or
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VDO-ELECTRIC-OIL-PUMP-DIFF-COOLER-TURBO-SCAVENGE-/320571866554?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4aa3927dba
Expensive but small and reliable
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kawpower
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posted January 14, 2012 03:00 PM
why not just use a 1 way valve right off the turbo? cycle logic 89.95 ebay.
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gilberjj
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posted January 15, 2012 12:03 AM
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why not just use a 1 way valve right off the turbo? cycle logic 89.95 ebay.
The turbo is mounted too low, so it won't flow back into the crankcase very well. It's not that it won't flow back in, but it simply builds too much pressure in the turbo, and blows the oil right past the turbo oil seals. Your bike starts eating oil, plus it pushes it out the exhaust. Adams sells one that sells for about $300 if i remember correctly.
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posted January 15, 2012 06:06 AM
ok thanx ,
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posted January 17, 2012 01:51 PM
bump.
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posted January 17, 2012 03:21 PM
i wanted to try this pump buy the seller has not responded for days http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/499713794/12V_high_pressure_oil_pump.html
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posted January 17, 2012 04:10 PM
Edited By: chrisrok on 18 Jan 2012 00:15
Hello 1badzx12r. In the sake of saving myself from the mud youre about to drag me in. First off, the two bikes in the photos are built by me. Guess what, they haul a** and are reliable. But back to the point and facts. The black bike that is smoking like a train at idle is due to the fact that the customer removed the line I had installed and replace it with a pretty braided one that was too long and had a mild kink. I was at that race hating to see that myself. With regards to the puff of smoke from chads green bike, that is not uncommon with the amount of oil used in his moto (almost six quarts). That puts the oil level pretty close to the center line of the turbo. So with that being said, you may have that puff of smoke on the hit, or during burnout. In my opinion, the proper oiling of that motor, seriously outweigh the astetics of that puff of oil. BTW, those are not street kits on either of those two bikes. With regards to my street kits, they have no drain issues due to the fact that the header pulls the turbo up so high that is has plenty of fall. The street kits use much phsically smaller turbos (gt28), where the race kits are using big gt35/30 turbo with cut oil pans. All of these things come into factor. If we are going to make comparisons, lets compare apples to apples and have the facts. With regards to the scavenge pumps, they work fine; however my mind set is that it is one more item that my cause failure. That is something I don't won't to face after traveling a 1000 miles to a race and going out early due to mechanical failure. The pump that comes in the Cycle Logic kits need to be wired where it only runs when the engine is running to prevent premature failure. I have used those pumps before, with mixed results. Some lasted, others did not. Just being truthful. There are some other scavenge pumps on the market that are available, but they are a little pricey. Thats my 2 cents and an attempt to salvage my name from the deep forum mud pits. Sincerely, Chris Jones
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posted January 17, 2012 05:07 PM
Edited By: 1badzx12r on 18 Jan 2012 01:13
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The pump that comes in the Cycle Logic kits need to be wired where it only runs when the engine is running to prevent premature failure. I have used those pumps before, with mixed results. Some lasted, others did not. Just being truthful. There are some other scavenge pumps on the market that are available, but they are a little pricey. Thats my 2 cents and an attempt to salvage my name from the deep forum mud pits. Sincerely, Chris Jones
DUH Mr jones ..
it can always be worst ..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIA0n1u_LlU&feature=related
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