Obba
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posted December 11, 2011 02:16 AM
Reality Check with Dyno #'s on the 14R
Jeeze!
Everyone of you has said or made comments in the past about how some Dynos are forgiving and some are unforgiving....
I appreciate the need to know how much HP the new 14R is kicking out and the 'kudos' to tell the max....
But some of the # being represented as 'fact' is just ignoramous!
Rickey Gadson has done it::
AFAIK - His post. 8th December 2011 - he tested a stock ZX14 vs a stock ZX14R on the same day (within 30mins), - with all equal conditions.
I really can't see the point of anyone here saying they got 189 or 200+ on a dyno - without having anything to compare it against.
The insistent calls for dyno #'s with a Brock and Muzzy can only be done on the same day (hour), on the same dyno - to see the HP difference.
I'd say that Kawasaki - as they built it - know the real 'world' HP - as in Japan, where it was built - on their particular dyno and air/humidity , temp etc.
Depending where you live in the world, the HP wil differ. Only putting a stock ZX14 and a ZX14R side by side as RG did will show the real HP # difference.
And the same should be done for any addition of exhaust/map/fuel etc.
But then, we wouldn't have any bragging rights, yeah? 
  
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Seno
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posted December 11, 2011 04:07 AM
 Edited By: Seno on 11 Dec 2011 12:13
SmokinZX14 had his on Dyno with Brock's pipe... 202.8HP, with a Dyno sheet posted. Mine will be going on the Dyno Tuesday or Wednesday. This week I will post some Dyno sheets with Brock's CT as well as with & without the noise reducing plug. I should have thrown it on the Dyno bone stock... My bad. Here is a link to Smokin's post below.
http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=27&TID=64832&set_time=
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eklipse636
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posted December 11, 2011 04:27 AM
Obba, I don't give a damn how much up anything makes in Japan.
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justoyz2
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posted December 11, 2011 04:28 AM
Obba,
First you must understand that all dynos provide a different reading. The point made is regardless of the dyno it's the begining and end numbers that are important.
Lee didn't do a before reading, just after installing a Gen-1 SMEG, and he used an older model dyno (200i). It still just a tool. He actually posted three different type readings, STD-202, SAE-197 and Uncorrected-no correction factor for the condition= 204
Rg's # were STD; I am not sure of the model dyno jet he used, but it's an older model with a left side drum brake. In the video you can see him pumping his left foot (slowing down the drum)
I am not saying that either of their dynos are inacurate, but the reading is the reading. We have seen the performance numbers of what Rg, Lee and even others have shown on the dyno. You are correct, there's nothing to compare, but most will give you a bench mark of another bike that was tested on that dyno. Take it for what's it worth... on avg the 2012 14R will produce an SAE reading of around 19ish broken in....
Most of these bike have very low milage, Rg's was 12 miles, Lee's was 75 miles; there are others with low milages and posting anywhere from 188 to 192 SAE stock.
I hope this clearify any misconceptions of what's being posted
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JZX
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posted December 11, 2011 09:24 AM
quote:
Jeeze!
Everyone of you has said or made comments in the past about how some Dynos are forgiving and some are unforgiving....
I appreciate the need to know how much HP the new 14R is kicking out and the 'kudos' to tell the max....
But some of the # being represented as 'fact' is just ignoramous!
Rickey Gadson has done it::
AFAIK - His post. 8th December 2011 - he tested a stock ZX14 vs a stock ZX14R on the same day (within 30mins), - with all equal conditions.
I really can't see the point of anyone here saying they got 189 or 200+ on a dyno - without having anything to compare it against.
The insistent calls for dyno #'s with a Brock and Muzzy can only be done on the same day (hour), on the same dyno - to see the HP difference.
I'd say that Kawasaki - as they built it - know the real 'world' HP - as in Japan, where it was built - on their particular dyno and air/humidity , temp etc.
Depending where you live in the world, the HP wil differ. Only putting a stock ZX14 and a ZX14R side by side as RG did will show the real HP # difference.
And the same should be done for any addition of exhaust/map/fuel etc.
But then, we wouldn't have any bragging rights, yeah?
You are a DOUCHE. Have some knowledge about what you post before you post it.
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06 ZX14 65"
Best 1/8 mile 5.68@126.4 on a 1.41 60'
Best 1/4 mile 8.87@152.7 on a 1.47 60'
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smokinZX14
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posted December 11, 2011 10:04 AM
Obba my test on a known dyno that i know puts out real numbers was for my own info .. I paid for it ... I shared it with the members here and told them all the number STD SAE and uncorected ... Read the bottom of my post ..." Pick whatever number floats your boat" ..
Obba you don't like my posts don't read them ..
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Gen 2 ZX14R Best ET 8.43 , Best MPH 164.95
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redbarron2006
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posted December 11, 2011 10:32 AM
I have extensive knowledge regarding car dynos, and when you have a specific vehicle hitting within 2-3% on diff dynos at diff locations, it IS what it is. I am just going to take a stab in the dark and say mine is going to make 190ish.. anyone want to bet otherwise.lol. diff dynos do read differently but only within a narrow margin.
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kaw now
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posted December 11, 2011 11:22 AM
Probably not popular with most dyno guys but this dyno should be used if available as a comparison if they are telling the truth. I don't see why if true most would not want the truth instead of all this comparison jumble.
http://www.factorypro.com/dyno/true1.html
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kaw now
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posted December 11, 2011 11:43 AM
Either way looking at Factory Pro results if a stock G1 makes 163 DJ hp and new is 192 or so that still spits out a 25HP increase stock using the FP comparison as far as I can tell.
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redbarron2006
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posted December 11, 2011 11:48 AM
Well my buddy is the one who purchased my old 14 from me. I will be able to compare them on the street side by side on the first acceptedable day...
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Wheelie
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posted December 11, 2011 01:58 PM
quote:
Jeeze!
Everyone of you has said or made comments in the past about how some Dynos are forgiving and some are unforgiving....
I appreciate the need to know how much HP the new 14R is kicking out and the 'kudos' to tell the max....
But some of the # being represented as 'fact' is just ignoramous!
Rickey Gadson has done it::
AFAIK - His post. 8th December 2011 - he tested a stock ZX14 vs a stock ZX14R on the same day (within 30mins), - with all equal conditions.
I really can't see the point of anyone here saying they got 189 or 200+ on a dyno - without having anything to compare it against.
The insistent calls for dyno #'s with a Brock and Muzzy can only be done on the same day (hour), on the same dyno - to see the HP difference.
I'd say that Kawasaki - as they built it - know the real 'world' HP - as in Japan, where it was built - on their particular dyno and air/humidity , temp etc.
Depending where you live in the world, the HP wil differ. Only putting a stock ZX14 and a ZX14R side by side as RG did will show the real HP # difference.
And the same should be done for any addition of exhaust/map/fuel etc.
But then, we wouldn't have any bragging rights, yeah?
yep any dyno numbers are bunk, especially yours Smokin.
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JZX
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posted December 11, 2011 02:28 PM
Factory pro is just trying to get a piece of the market and survive. Telling is selling, so in any case, Factory pro's dyno is showing about 5 hp less. The difference between bikes doesn't change, and that is whats important.
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Best 1/8 mile 5.68@126.4 on a 1.41 60'
Best 1/4 mile 8.87@152.7 on a 1.47 60'
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smokinZX14
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posted December 11, 2011 02:35 PM
quote:
quote:
Jeeze!
Everyone of you has said or made comments in the past about how some Dynos are forgiving and some are unforgiving....
I appreciate the need to know how much HP the new 14R is kicking out and the 'kudos' to tell the max....
But some of the # being represented as 'fact' is just ignoramous!
Rickey Gadson has done it::
AFAIK - His post. 8th December 2011 - he tested a stock ZX14 vs a stock ZX14R on the same day (within 30mins), - with all equal conditions.
I really can't see the point of anyone here saying they got 189 or 200+ on a dyno - without having anything to compare it against.
The insistent calls for dyno #'s with a Brock and Muzzy can only be done on the same day (hour), on the same dyno - to see the HP difference.
I'd say that Kawasaki - as they built it - know the real 'world' HP - as in Japan, where it was built - on their particular dyno and air/humidity , temp etc.
Depending where you live in the world, the HP wil differ. Only putting a stock ZX14 and a ZX14R side by side as RG did will show the real HP # difference.
And the same should be done for any addition of exhaust/map/fuel etc.
But then, we wouldn't have any bragging rights, yeah?
yep any dyno numbers are bunk, especially yours Smokin.
wee
Yes Wee you guys got me .. I'm shammer, flim flam man ,con man . rube , i should be taken outside and shot in the head for posting a dyno chart..
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eklipse636
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posted December 11, 2011 02:44 PM
What are dyno's for beside doing a/f ratio?
Why does it even give you a up number???
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Wheelie
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posted December 11, 2011 02:48 PM
Reality check check check lol
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KZScott
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posted December 11, 2011 02:49 PM
well its nice seeing a hp and tq number for bragging rights, but im mainly interested in putting a load on the motor/drive line in a safe and stationary environment where if something "bad" happens you dont crash. you can get a good baseline map to work with and then hit the track ready to run only needing minor tweaks. i didnt even bother with dynos till i did the turbo build
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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smokinZX14
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posted December 11, 2011 03:03 PM
quote:
well its nice seeing a hp and tq number for bragging rights, but im mainly interested in putting a load on the motor/drive line in a safe and stationary environment where if something "bad" happens you dont crash. you can get a good baseline map to work with and then hit the track ready to run only needing minor tweaks. i didnt even bother with dynos till i did the turbo build
Spot on Scott ... While i has very happy to see 202.8 hp pop up i was just as glad to see the A/F numbers in a safe zone without a P/C ..Now i have a good idea where i need to go with my tunning at the track..
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KZScott
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posted December 11, 2011 03:51 PM
Edited By: KZScott on 11 Dec 2011 23:52
while this looks cool, we know im making roughly half. AFR was in the low 11s on the 25psi pull 
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos
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Lucky14
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posted December 11, 2011 05:44 PM
Obba,
Your reality CHECK BOUNCED!
Guido will be paying you a visit ........................
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Wheelie
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posted December 11, 2011 05:45 PM
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Obba,
Your reality CHECK BOUNCED!
Guido will be paying you a visit ........................
that's funny
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Obba
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posted December 11, 2011 11:51 PM
Yeah, yeah;
Guess i asked for that...!
Only saying that someones dyno that reports 200HP+ is - probably - not true.
At this early stage, before the pipes and maps get really going, the only comparision to see the HP difference in the ZX14 and the R is to have it (them), on one dyno, same set up, same day - preferably within the hour.
As previously said, RG's post did the real deal.
No disrespect to Lee or anyone else.
Just seemed a lot of hype over peoples dyno's reporting bigger and - lower - HP's.
Agree that Dynos are great for A/F, TQ curves and 'relative' HP indicators as against revs/limiters etc.
I don't know why in RG's post the R reported so many different #'s. From the 180's to the 'max' 195.06 HP.
But 30HP extra seems to be the mark so far.
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JZX
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posted December 12, 2011 01:21 AM
Read my post:
RG'S 195.06 was using a standard correction factor
That translates into 191hp SAE correction factor
The others posted as follows:
RURU's bike 188.8 SAE
Another in Cali 192 SAE
Smokin's with a brock's pipe 202 STD=197 SAE
They are all within 3hp in stock form from each other, so even different days and conditions will only effect the results by a couple of HP and thats too small of a difference to care about.
And if you think a map for these exhuast systems are going to change alot as far as dyno numbers go- pay attention kid, the AFR's on these dyno runs are all showing in the low to mid 13's, so at peak- that number is not going to get much better with a map.
Now do your homework, drink some kool aid(right 1bad?) and troll thru here with something better.
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06 ZX14 65"
Best 1/8 mile 5.68@126.4 on a 1.41 60'
Best 1/4 mile 8.87@152.7 on a 1.47 60'
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NINJA12
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posted December 12, 2011 04:46 AM
The results are in and we have a very good idea what the new zx14r will do.
5 hp one way or the other is normal ever with the same year model. Your bike will be around the same numbers. you could get a strong bike or a pussy, luck of the draw!
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1badzx12r
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posted December 12, 2011 05:17 AM
quote:
drink some kool aid(right 1bad?)
gotta have some  with the kool aid
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mathews
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posted December 12, 2011 06:00 AM
quote:
quote:
drink some kool aid(right 1bad?)
gotta have some with the kool aid
Why you got to bring race into this?
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