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posted November 11, 2011 04:15 AM
Got to HURT!!! New for Suzuki?
I know no one here really cares but I have to asked this question. What is Suzuki going to do now with there so called top 1 and 2 spots taken from them (ie Japanese bike comparison)? Do you guys think they will answer back with anything or will they wait 2 more years as they did with the introduction of the Gen II after the 14 came out? I am just curious as to see what their intensions are. This has to hurt their feelings to see a REAL 14R run these kind of numbers oppose to running against a 14. Maybe Suzuki should have came out with a regular 1340 hayabusa and left the R off. Cause now we know what numbers their R puts out and they finally see what a REAL R numbers are suppose to be. Just think they have been racing a 14 no 14R all this time. Yeah you can modify the hell out of Busa with aftermarket this big bore that, cam this and ecu reflash that. Hmmmm??
  
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posted November 11, 2011 04:29 AM
They will regroup and be back, nobody stays on top forever.
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posted November 11, 2011 04:54 AM
hey dummy .. suzuki has all the records.. bash away
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posted November 11, 2011 08:13 AM
Lol at you simple minded people...
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posted November 11, 2011 09:36 AM
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hey dummy .. suzuki has all the records.. bash away
Modified of course but not bone stock, straight off the showroom floor for 2012 they don't
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Big_T112
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posted November 11, 2011 09:47 AM
I think they are still struggling with money woe's. I heard even the VW plant is going to drop the Suzuki car brand. I sure hope they don't mess the engine up like they did on the 09 1K when they changed it up.
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posted November 11, 2011 10:00 AM
Zook cars are crap and are not selling .. That only leaves zook with motorcycles .. Right now i don't think zook has the money to retool their bikes .. Time will tell..
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shawnski
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posted November 11, 2011 10:14 AM
 Edited By: shawnski on 11 Nov 2011 18:26
you never know what they are working on at this moment.. just like we did not know if kawi will come up with this new monster bike..
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posted November 11, 2011 01:31 PM
as they say,you snooze you lose.if you don`t keep up and make people want to buy your product they will go where to goings good.all four jap bike co. make fantastic machines.only 1 can be # 1.it`s a constant fight and struggle.it`s win win for the customer...............suzuki fucked up by not firing back soon enough with a revamped busa.now kawasaki will always be in the lead for stock bikes.they only had 1 year they were 1st.(1999) then the zx12r came out
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Big_T112
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posted November 11, 2011 01:47 PM
What Suzuki did was build the small block Chevrolet of the motorcycle world back in 1999 with the Busa. Love them or hate them it is THE cheapest bike to build or put a turbo on. I like all brands and would ride any of them. If I had to guess I would think us big bore motorcyle riders are a really small part of the market.
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posted November 11, 2011 01:58 PM
This is just a game of leap frog.... One builds it a little better & adds more whistles, then the other does the same thing.... In a year or 2 the busa will get a retool and then the 14 or 15 by then will be released... it's a never ending game to corner the market. I just hope I have the funds to stay with the latest & greatest!
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JZX
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posted November 11, 2011 01:59 PM
Yep, exactly- kinda like the LS1 etc people. It' s cheap, blows up alot, and everyone has them. Just like the GM products, they will never be high tech or kings of HP unless the aftermarket uses the block as a base and improves it. The differencec now is that pricecwise, the new 14 will be quicker and faster for less money. Only sponsored pros will be able to compete with the new 14- no one else with skill can afford it.
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masszx14
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posted November 11, 2011 02:59 PM
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I know no one here really cares but I have to asked this question. What is Suzuki going to do now with there so called top 1 and 2 spots taken from them (ie Japanese bike comparison)? Do you guys think they will answer back with anything or will they wait 2 more years as they did with the introduction of the Gen II after the 14 came out? I am just curious as to see what their intensions are. This has to hurt their feelings to see a REAL 14R run these kind of numbers oppose to running against a 14. Maybe Suzuki should have came out with a regular 1340 hayabusa and left the R off. Cause now we know what numbers their R puts out and they finally see what a REAL R numbers are suppose to be. Just think they have been racing a 14 no 14R all this time. Yeah you can modify the hell out of Busa with aftermarket this big bore that, cam this and ecu reflash that. Hmmmm??
You need to look up how many sports bikes Suzuki has sold here in the states in the last 10 years, then look up Kawi numbers. Post your findings.
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smokinZX14
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posted November 11, 2011 03:10 PM
Edited By: smokinZX14 on 11 Nov 2011 23:11
quote:
quote:
I know no one here really cares but I have to asked this question. What is Suzuki going to do now with there so called top 1 and 2 spots taken from them (ie Japanese bike comparison)? Do you guys think they will answer back with anything or will they wait 2 more years as they did with the introduction of the Gen II after the 14 came out? I am just curious as to see what their intensions are. This has to hurt their feelings to see a REAL 14R run these kind of numbers oppose to running against a 14. Maybe Suzuki should have came out with a regular 1340 hayabusa and left the R off. Cause now we know what numbers their R puts out and they finally see what a REAL R numbers are suppose to be. Just think they have been racing a 14 no 14R all this time. Yeah you can modify the hell out of Busa with aftermarket this big bore that, cam this and ecu reflash that. Hmmmm??
You need to look up how many sports bikes Suzuki has sold here in the states in the last 10 years, then look up Kawi numbers. Post your findings.
In the last few years they have not sold many around here .. They still have 08 busas and gixxers setting in the show rooms ..I'm sure it's different in other parts of the USA , i'm just telling what we are seeing here ... We rarely see gen 2 busas at the track but we see pleanty of 1000s and zx14s .. I'm sure zooky will step up but when it will happens is anybodys guess ..
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posted November 11, 2011 04:56 PM
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I know no one here really cares but I have to asked this question. What is Suzuki going to do now with there so called top 1 and 2 spots taken from them (ie Japanese bike comparison)? Do you guys think they will answer back with anything or will they wait 2 more years as they did with the introduction of the Gen II after the 14 came out? I am just curious as to see what their intensions are. This has to hurt their feelings to see a REAL 14R run these kind of numbers oppose to running against a 14. Maybe Suzuki should have came out with a regular 1340 hayabusa and left the R off. Cause now we know what numbers their R puts out and they finally see what a REAL R numbers are suppose to be. Just think they have been racing a 14 no 14R all this time. Yeah you can modify the hell out of Busa with aftermarket this big bore that, cam this and ecu reflash that. Hmmmm??
You need to look up how many sports bikes Suzuki has sold here in the states in the last 10 years, then look up Kawi numbers. Post your findings.
In the last few years they have not sold many around here .. They still have 08 busas and gixxers setting in the show rooms ..I'm sure it's different in other parts of the USA , i'm just telling what we are seeing here ... We rarely see gen 2 busas at the track but we see pleanty of 1000s and zx14s .. I'm sure zooky will step up but when it will happens is anybodys guess ..
agree 100%.. one of the main reason that suzuki came up so late for the gen2 like 9 years after was because they sold alot of busas and really did not need to upgrade much.. zx12r was good but not good enough to hurt them for what ever reason, but when the competition ( zx14 and liter bikes step it up big time..it was time come up with gen2 busa. well i honestly think it was not much of jump from gen1 and that is why the sales are not up there anymore and on top of that competition step it up big time the last few years..
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posted November 11, 2011 05:28 PM
Edited By: masszx14 on 12 Nov 2011 01:30
Well, stats are telling the story again:
Motorcycle Production Figures by Manufacturer For The First Half of Calendar Year 2011
Units
Honda: 88,765
Suzuki: 92,533
Yamaha: 73,317
Kawasaki: 47,939
Others: 41
Total: 302,595
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masszx14
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posted November 11, 2011 05:32 PM
Chg. from prev. year (%)
Honda 84.3
Suzuki 107.5
Yamaha 76.4
Kawasaki 97.5
Others 132.3
Total 89.9
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posted November 11, 2011 05:36 PM
Edited By: shawnski on 12 Nov 2011 01:55
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Chg. from prev. year (%)
Honda 84.3
Suzuki 107.5
Yamaha 76.4
Kawasaki 97.5
Others 132.3
Total 89.9
do you have the figures from 2008 to now? i like to see the sportbike figures.
...and that figure is for all motorcycles not just sport bikes.. some of the manufactures carry more type of bikes than others.
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posted November 11, 2011 06:00 PM
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...and that figure is for all motorcycles not just sport bikes.. some of the manufactures carry more type of bikes than others.
And that's what saves Kawi sales numbers here in the states- the ninja 250, their best selling model for quite some time.
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posted November 11, 2011 07:01 PM
I have had 2 Ninja 250's. Great bikes
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posted November 12, 2011 01:16 PM
Well, I am interested to see if Zuk will throw down a gauntlet. KAW has thrown down the gauntlet twice now. 1st with the '06 zx14, that really stopped the competition putting down about 25 hp more than the Gen1 Busa.
Zuk fired back with an upgraded Busa, but it didn't stomp anything, it just matched the zx14 in '08.
Now Kaw throws down the gauntlet again with the zx14r. Look to be about 25 hp more than the zx14 or Gen2 Busa. I wonder if Zuk will try to match the 14r or really try to stomp it.
Basically Zuk hasn't done anything since '99 when it stomped the zx-11.
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posted November 12, 2011 01:29 PM
and the Blackbird...
KHI has more cash flow then Suzuki, they simply are a larger company that builds all kinds of things. Rumor has it that KHI is heavily involved in the rebuilding of Japan's infastructure after the earthquake. A big contract like that can definately add to your bank account. Probably why Kaw is pumping out new products and new R&D while the other Jap MC competition is dead in the water. Zuk most likely can't afford to answer back..
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ZX14Mike
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posted November 12, 2011 01:37 PM
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and the Blackbird...
KHI has more cash flow then Suzuki, they simply are a larger company that builds all kinds of things. Rumor has it that KHI is heavily involved in the rebuilding of Japan's infastructure after the earthquake. A big contract like that can definately add to your bank account. Probably why Kaw is pumping out new products and new R&D while the other Jap MC competition is dead in the water. Zuk most likely can't afford to answer back..
I think your spot on with this post, I've heard KHI is involved in the rebuilding of Japan as well..............I think Kawasaki is trying to significantly grab market share in this tough economy by being bold and innovative and I think they will succeed. During the Great Depression most companies hunkered down and spent very little on advertising and R&D, but the bold companies that did grabbed significant market share and brand recognition and prospered for decades because of it.
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ZX14Mike
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posted November 12, 2011 01:45 PM
As for Suzuki's response I think it will be a long time coming, probably 2-5 years........I'm sure boring the bike out to 1441cc will take alot less R&D time than a stroke increase and it seems these 1441's are a proven design that puts out good power, but in this economy I cant see Suzuki responding for at least 2 years and probably 3-5 would be a better guess IMO.
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indynic
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posted November 12, 2011 01:51 PM
Yeah, I think it will be awhile. I guess my primary point is that even if they do go to 1441cc, that is only going to match the 14r. They wont be putting out a bike that produces 25 hp more than the 14r.
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