Rajun Cajun
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posted October 15, 2011 02:11 PM
Is this true????
While we 14 guys are/were waiting for the new ZX-14R, I was told today that even with the cc increase, lighter wheels and the power increase of the 2012 ZX-14R, THE 2011 ZX-10R will still beat it new 14!
I was tols the new 14R can't F&%$! with the Zx-10!
I'm like Dayum! Why do I need the biggest bike if I can get a smaller bike to beat the Busa and the 14?
Is this hog wash or what?
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posted October 15, 2011 02:37 PM
Hurry up and wait....
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posted October 15, 2011 02:39 PM
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smokinZX14
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posted October 15, 2011 03:16 PM
Rajun Cajun what is wrong with you man ? The new zx14 can't beat a zx10 , gen 1 busa , gen 2 busa or a Vmax .. Everybody knows that ..
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posted October 15, 2011 03:19 PM
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Rajun Cajun what is wrong with you man ? The new zx14 can't beat a zx10 , gen 1 busa , gen 2 busa or a Vmax .. Everybody knows that ..
uhh nothing can beat a stock v maxxx
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posted October 15, 2011 04:01 PM
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Rajun Cajun what is wrong with you man ? The new zx14 can't beat a zx10 , gen 1 busa , gen 2 busa or a Vmax .. Everybody knows that ..
uhh nothing can beat a stock v maxxx
wee
The only thing that can beat a stock Vmax is a modded Vmax lol
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Rickey Gadson
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posted October 15, 2011 05:35 PM
sorry guys but I aim to prove that the 14R will definately be unbeatable! although my ZX10 is the sh!t and fast as hell, the new bike will probably make almost 20hp more with just a pipe, on pump gas so, I'd venture to say ...............your wrong! We will soon find out!!
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zx12mark
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posted October 15, 2011 08:04 PM
ricky,are you saying 20 more h/p than a 2011 zx10r with pipe and ecu mod....
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kneedragon1962
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posted October 16, 2011 02:01 AM
@Ragun - Beat it how? None of them will beat an xr750 around a half mile oval. None of them will beat a CRF450 around a MX track.
A ZX10R will potentially run a very fast 1/4 time because it's light and powerful. This is true of all the litre class sports bikes. But it's hard to launch and hard to control and needs to be lowered quite a lot to consistently turn good times. And it has an appetite for clutches.
A ZX14 is fast, easy to launch, easy to control, consistent, and has a rock solid clutch. Of the two bikes, the big one is much better suited to drag racing. The little one is better suited to a few laps at a road-race course track-day. Both can do what the other does with surprising aplomb, but they are designed to do different jobs.
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VINCE12
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posted October 16, 2011 02:43 AM
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ricky,are you saying 20 more h/p than a 2011 zx10r with pipe and ecu mod....
If it's 20hp more than an equally modded zx10r I will probably get one. Preferably all black.
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shiphteey
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posted October 16, 2011 05:13 AM
 Edited By: shiphteey on 16 Oct 2011 13:15
I guess it depends. Both of my 12s when purchased bone stock made 148 RWHP. Diffferent dynos, different days, pump gas.
Both made low/mid 170s pipe, pc3, filter tuned. Its still VERY HARD for some people I talk to to truely grasp that. No tricks...that 12 was just corked up like a mofo when released to us.
If the 14 is as corked up as the the 12 was and the 12 picked up over 20 RWHP each time it was uncorked I don't see why 20+ should be impossible.
I'm not a "14 guy" buy at least in the HP department.....when was the last time Kawasaki has ever let the people down in the HP department once you throw basic bolt-ons on em? They don't. We also had a ZRX 1200 making 109 to the back wheel....pipe, jetted, filter....130 to the back wheel.
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posted October 16, 2011 05:46 AM
Edited By: psycho1122 on 16 Oct 2011 13:48
+1
My 2000 12 made 155 @ 10, 400 / 144 @ 11,700 rpm. stock. (choked by stock can)
-removed cat in midpipe, no tune picked up 7 h.p. (162) at 10,400 rpm.
-pipe, K&N, pcIII = 172 @ 10,400 / 173 @ 11,700 rpm. +28 h.p. at redline 
Of course the bump in power and the legendary 8% Ram-Air allowed me to go 196.8 mph back in spring of 01' (Everything else was stock).
Added 70cc and a 1.5 points in CR and it pulls 190-202 h.p. depending on dyno and day.
100 ft. lbs @ 4,000 / 111 peak at 7,400 does not hurt either!!
I believe in the new 1440cc engine. 
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posted October 16, 2011 09:17 PM
quote:
While we 14 guys are/were waiting for the new ZX-14R, I was told today that even with the cc increase, lighter wheels and the power increase of the 2012 ZX-14R, THE 2011 ZX-10R will still beat it new 14!
I was tols the new 14R can't F&%$! with the Zx-10!
I'm like Dayum! Why do I need the biggest bike if I can get a smaller bike to beat the Busa and the 14?
Is this hog wash or what?
Considering kawi claims the exact same hp for both bikes, and the 14 weighs a passenger more than the 10, on paper that would look like the 10 would be the real world roll-on winner. I think we're just going to have to wait and see
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Rajun Cajun
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posted October 17, 2011 01:13 AM
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crawfish
LOL! Now I really need that laugh! The weekend went by too darn fast!
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Rajun Cajun
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posted October 17, 2011 01:15 AM
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Rajun Cajun what is wrong with you man ? The new zx14 can't beat a zx10 , gen 1 busa , gen 2 busa or a Vmax .. Everybody knows that ..
I hear ya! I'm just sick of people telling me Ricky Gadson rode the ZX-10 and posted a faster time on it than he did on the ZX-14.
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Rajun Cajun
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posted October 17, 2011 01:17 AM
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sorry guys but I aim to prove that the 14R will definately be unbeatable! although my ZX10 is the sh!t and fast as hell, the new bike will probably make almost 20hp more with just a pipe, on pump gas so, I'd venture to say ...............your wrong! We will soon find out!!
Hey Ricky! I brought this up because the guy mentioned you posting a faster time on a Zx-10...
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Rajun Cajun
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posted October 17, 2011 01:20 AM
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@Ragun - Beat it how? None of them will beat an xr750 around a half mile oval. None of them will beat a CRF450 around a MX track.
A ZX10R will potentially run a very fast 1/4 time because it's light and powerful. This is true of all the litre class sports bikes. But it's hard to launch and hard to control and needs to be lowered quite a lot to consistently turn good times. And it has an appetite for clutches.
A ZX14 is fast, easy to launch, easy to control, consistent, and has a rock solid clutch. Of the two bikes, the big one is much better suited to drag racing. The little one is better suited to a few laps at a road-race course track-day. Both can do what the other does with surprising aplomb, but they are designed to do different jobs.
Thanks for the info.....I just keep hear soooo much stuff from guys its ridiculous!!!
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Rajun Cajun
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posted October 17, 2011 01:25 AM
We will see MJ...
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posted October 17, 2011 04:53 AM
quote:
quote:
Rajun Cajun what is wrong with you man ? The new zx14 can't beat a zx10 , gen 1 busa , gen 2 busa or a Vmax .. Everybody knows that ..
uhh nothing can beat a stock v maxxx
wee
rocket3 beats all bikes .. go get the video ..
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Rajun Cajun
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posted October 17, 2011 09:35 AM
give us the link?
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shiphteey
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posted October 17, 2011 06:39 PM
quote:
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While we 14 guys are/were waiting for the new ZX-14R, I was told today that even with the cc increase, lighter wheels and the power increase of the 2012 ZX-14R, THE 2011 ZX-10R will still beat it new 14!
I was tols the new 14R can't F&%$! with the Zx-10!
I'm like Dayum! Why do I need the biggest bike if I can get a smaller bike to beat the Busa and the 14?
Is this hog wash or what?
Considering kawi claims the exact same hp for both bikes, and the 14 weighs a passenger more than the 10, on paper that would look like the 10 would be the real world roll-on winner. I think we're just going to have to wait and see
On paper can be misleading. The 14 also bring with it a shit ton more torque out the gate which helps offset the weight when compared to the 10R.
As for the "real world roll-on winner" I've found that in the REAL WORLD starting speed, rider size, rider skill, gear selection, and shift points can and often times skew the results. I slaughtered 7 busas in one night on the old 12, stock motor n/a. Only the turbo busa got away from me until we got our counting right then it was a coin toss. Gear selction, start speed, rider skill ALL PLAYED A ROLL THAT NIGHT! At the very least riders should swap...but on the streets that doesn't always happen.
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shiphteey
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posted October 17, 2011 06:43 PM
And when comparing the 10 to the 14 you have to take something else into account.
Put a little guy on both, they will both fly.
Put a big guy on both and the big guy will always struggle on a small pocket-sized 10R on top end.
The old "liters" like the older GSXR 1000, ZX-9R....929/954....a bigger guy fit better on those bikes ... these new liters are so small even jockeys have to bring their A game to fit right on them.
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posted October 17, 2011 06:57 PM
+1, 200 lb guy on a zx10 is slow.
200lb guy on a zx14 is fast.
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ZX14Mike
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posted October 17, 2011 07:57 PM
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While we 14 guys are/were waiting for the new ZX-14R, I was told today that even with the cc increase, lighter wheels and the power increase of the 2012 ZX-14R, THE 2011 ZX-10R will still beat it new 14!
I was tols the new 14R can't F&%$! with the Zx-10!
I'm like Dayum! Why do I need the biggest bike if I can get a smaller bike to beat the Busa and the 14?
Is this hog wash or what?
Considering kawi claims the exact same hp for both bikes, and the 14 weighs a passenger more than the 10, on paper that would look like the 10 would be the real world roll-on winner. I think we're just going to have to wait and see
On paper can be misleading. The 14 also bring with it a shit ton more torque out the gate which helps offset the weight when compared to the 10R.
As for the "real world roll-on winner" I've found that in the REAL WORLD starting speed, rider size, rider skill, gear selection, and shift points can and often times skew the results. I slaughtered 7 busas in one night on the old 12, stock motor n/a. Only the turbo busa got away from me until we got our counting right then it was a coin toss. Gear selction, start speed, rider skill ALL PLAYED A ROLL THAT NIGHT! At the very least riders should swap...but on the streets that doesn't always happen.
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Ship how do you think the power to weight battle between the New Zx14R and ZX 10 will play out do you think that massive torque will make up for the 150 pounds with a skilled light rider on both?
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ZX14Mike
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posted October 17, 2011 07:59 PM
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And when comparing the 10 to the 14 you have to take something else into account.
Put a little guy on both, they will both fly.
Put a big guy on both and the big guy will always struggle on a small pocket-sized 10R on top end.
The old "liters" like the older GSXR 1000, ZX-9R....929/954....a bigger guy fit better on those bikes ... these new liters are so small even jockeys have to bring their A game to fit right on them.
A.
I sat on the new Zx 10 at the dealer today.............I'd have no desire to own one............I hate those little kid bikes ..........and i'm not even that big Zx 14 and Busa riders!!!
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