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posted October 13, 2011 08:24 AM
What will suzuki do about the 2012 zx14R
I think they will put a 2mm piston kit on their engine with bigger cams and better head.
Then it will be 1441 vs 1441!
The research has already been done on that engine just like the 4mm crank for the zx14.
This is not the leap ahead some may think it is.
This war is far form over. You just can't beat oem race bikes straight from the dealer.
Over 200 hp with a pipe and tune is amazing, i don't care whose name is on the side!
  
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posted October 13, 2011 10:05 AM
a 2 mil overbore in a gen2 busa isn't a 1441.
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posted October 13, 2011 11:35 AM
1405 somethin like that 2ml on a gen 1-2 14 is 1417-1418.
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posted October 13, 2011 12:17 PM
Super fast BNG is what they will do. .
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posted October 13, 2011 12:22 PM
Iirc a 3 mil is a 1441. A 1417 is a 2 mil. But I could be wrong. I still need to get me my genI jugs stamped out I haven't decided how big I want to go on the booza.
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posted October 13, 2011 12:25 PM
suzuki may not want to get over 1350 cc.... right now with the bikes in different land speed classes , they can both claim that they are the fastest production bike in their class ( busa= 1350 cc, ninja= 1650 cc class)
but kawasaki is saying fastest bike on the planet , so maybe that will start an all out war on HP.
any bets on legislation here or EU to limit power ?
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posted October 13, 2011 12:25 PM
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I haven't decided how big I want to go on the booza.
i've heard they make a 15mm stroke crank for a busa .. there you have it ..
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MJ
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posted October 13, 2011 03:16 PM
I don't think the speed difference will be enough for suzuki to be too concerned. The hayabusa has always sold way better than the 14 on name alone with the general public. I think bgn's for a couple more years is probably the route suzuki will go.
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kawboy81
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posted October 13, 2011 04:06 PM
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I haven't decided how big I want to go on the booza.
i've heard they make a 15mm stroke crank for a busa .. there you have it ..
Umm don't think they will ever put a 15mill in a production bike. Has to remain streetable and retain longevity! I just hate that Suzuki waited us out. It will give em time to revamp
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Big_T112
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posted October 13, 2011 10:36 PM
They waited 9 years to upgrade the first Gen. Some good like secondary injectors. Some bad like smaller wrist pins in the rod and the cylinder is weaker. All in all a better bike than the gen 1
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NINJA12
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posted October 13, 2011 11:38 PM
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They waited 9 years to upgrade the first Gen. Some good like secondary injectors. Some bad like smaller wrist pins in the rod and the cylinder is weaker. All in all a better bike than the gen 1
Suzuki had no reason to upgrade the busa for 7 years. big bike sales king, most cc's, most buildable, most performance records 1/4 mile and land speed.
bikes were very close up until 2006 when the zx14 was released. 1999-2005 equal stock performance. Kawi was king of stock hp in 2006 and 2007, then the gen2 tied everything up again in 2008
busa hits first in 1999 with 1299cc, zx12 came in 2000 with 1199cc. (should have been 1270)
zx14 landed in 2006 with 1352, suzuki stikes back in 2008 with 1340.
zx14r moves the bar in 2012 with a 1441, suzuki will be back in 2013 or 2014 with a 14?? bet that.
Suzi gen2 will have most if not all the 1350cc records, and there will be no reason to let Kawi have
the big cc and hp advantage.
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posted October 14, 2011 12:09 AM
This would be the same Suzuki that cancelled around 50 dealerships in the UK this year and saw year-on-year sales dip by 40%?
I would hope they do something but I won't be holding my breath.
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Big_T112
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posted October 14, 2011 10:14 AM
I saw even in 07 the last year for the Gen 1 busa it still sold over 10K units. not bad.
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posted October 14, 2011 10:50 AM
probably nothing. they're barely in business.
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posted October 14, 2011 11:04 AM
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Suzuki had no reason to upgrade the busa for 7 years. big bike sales king, most cc's, most buildable, most performance records 1/4 mile and land speed.
bikes were very close up until 2006 when the zx14 was released. 1999-2005 equal stock performance. Kawi was king of stock hp in 2006 and 2007, then the gen2 tied everything up again in 2008
busa hits first in 1999 with 1299cc, zx12 came in 2000 with 1199cc. (should have been 1270)
zx14 landed in 2006 with 1352, suzuki stikes back in 2008 with 1340.
zx14r moves the bar in 2012 with a 1441, suzuki will be back in 2013 or 2014 with a 14?? bet that.
Suzi gen2 will have most if not all the 1350cc records, and there will be no reason to let Kawi have
the big cc and hp advantage.
Gerard, great recap.
Kawasaki builds nice, very fast streetbikes.
The new 14 will surely be the fastest streetbike.
But Kawasaki has been sucking hind tit on low-med- top level race bikes since the gen1 Busa.
A built gen1 Busa, NA or turbo, is light years ahead of anything Kawasaki has now or is likely to build.
Some people care a lot about a nice, fast streetbike.
I don't
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posted October 14, 2011 01:03 PM
I would think Suzuki should upgrade their liter bike first if they can't afford that then doesn't look good.
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posted October 14, 2011 01:03 PM
 Edited By: Lucky14 on 14 Oct 2011 21:05
I just spent some time at hayabusa.org and found out the following:
1. I think there are more threads there about the new 14R than there are here.
2. The 06 ZX-14 was no faster than the Gen 1 Busa.
3. The vids posted by Mr. Gadson showed runs that were rigged to allow the 14R to win. Any good rider on a Booza could easily outrun the new 14R in a fair race so the videos are bogus.
Therefore, Suzuki does not need to do anything.
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kaw now
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posted October 14, 2011 01:11 PM
Kawasaki doesn't obviously make money off the built up racing segment. They sell a lot of ninja 250, 650 and concours etc.
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Famous1
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posted October 14, 2011 04:59 PM
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probably nothing. they're barely in business.
shhhhhhh.... you trying to start a riot or something?
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posted October 14, 2011 05:44 PM
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3. The vids posted by Mr. Gadson showed runs that were rigged to allow the 14R to win. Any good rider on a Booza could easily outrun the new 14R in a fair race so the videos are bogus.
wrong. see http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=27&TID=64072 for explanation
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posted October 14, 2011 06:38 PM
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3. The vids posted by Mr. Gadson showed runs that were rigged to allow the 14R to win. Any good rider on a Booza could easily outrun the new 14R in a fair race so the videos are bogus.
wrong. see http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=27&TID=64072 for explanation
You don't have to convince me. I hope that you know I was poking fun at the ignorant (and that is the correct word here) statements on that site.
Seriously, go do a search for 2012 and you will get several threads talking about how the Booza is STILL THE KING!
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posted October 14, 2011 06:54 PM
Edited By: smokinZX14 on 15 Oct 2011 02:55
It is called Busa blindness .. You could out run them by half a track and they would still say they won .. I think that whale pennis head light is what causes the blindness ..
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posted October 15, 2011 01:26 AM
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Suzuki had no reason to upgrade the busa for 7 years. big bike sales king, most cc's, most buildable, most performance records 1/4 mile and land speed.
bikes were very close up until 2006 when the zx14 was released. 1999-2005 equal stock performance. Kawi was king of stock hp in 2006 and 2007, then the gen2 tied everything up again in 2008
busa hits first in 1999 with 1299cc, zx12 came in 2000 with 1199cc. (should have been 1270)
zx14 landed in 2006 with 1352, suzuki stikes back in 2008 with 1340.
zx14r moves the bar in 2012 with a 1441, suzuki will be back in 2013 or 2014 with a 14?? bet that.
Suzi gen2 will have most if not all the 1350cc records, and there will be no reason to let Kawi have
the big cc and hp advantage.
Gerard, great recap.
Kawasaki builds nice, very fast streetbikes.
The new 14 will surely be the fastest streetbike.
But Kawasaki has been sucking hind tit on low-med- top level race bikes since the gen1 Busa.
A built gen1 Busa, NA or turbo, is light years ahead of anything Kawasaki has now or is likely to build.
Some people care a lot about a nice, fast streetbike.
I don't
Well you're in the minority then Tropy. If it is nice, and clearly the fastest streetbike, then its going to be a big sucess  I can already see its nice......
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posted October 15, 2011 03:46 AM
Ninja12,
I think this is a good topic to create.... I really perfer to look at things from a logical stand point... What will Suzuki do?
With the market contiuning to decline and their dismal sales; I don't see them producing anything new until next 2014 (early release).
Here are their 3rd qtr sales report for 2010  1k sales dn 31%, 750 dn 27%, 600 dn 5.2%). This is an opportunity to revamp their product line.
The old way of doing business doesn't work when new trends are working for their competitors... There hasn't been a fast out of the box 1k since '07. The revamped busa was/still is a competent bike, however it's just gotton passed over.
The 08 busa in stock trim or mildly modified (pipe/gear/tuning) is no faster than an 06 zx14. Both Teams (kawi/busa) have made small upgrades to fix the complaints of their respective buyers. Now it's a new dawn and Kawi not only answered the challenge from BMW, but shot a 130mm heat seaking rounds towards Suzuki as well... all within a year.
So, that's two new bikes that Suzuki must compete with.... Now they can throw a bandaid over a current model and push that to the buyers (which might not fly) or weight a year and release an all new busa that has more power, dependable and upgradeable; plus keep the cost down while sales continue to drop.... Not to mention that dealership across the nation are closing shop.......
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posted October 16, 2011 07:34 AM
Whatever they do don't mess it up like they did the 1K in 09 when they changed the engine platform to the current one. the 05-06 and 07-08 are much better bikes. I was hoping Kawasaki would have made a removable cylinder. Yamaha on the R1 went to a seperate cylinder starting on the 04 model. maybe later.
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