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posted October 11, 2011 10:43 AM
thats a no brainer I just can't see keeping it down at stock setup with all that power. I've ridding the the other one at stock setup and now way can you keep it down to much torque.
so that some of the other guys can see what ricky did on a genI busa compared to the new 14 I'll post his report . Rember this is Rickey's report not mine.
Striaght from Rickey...
During a top secret test in Phoenix Arizona, with whether conditions, a beautiful 80 degrees with an adjusted altitude of 1800 ft.........a 2006 Hayabusa and a 2006 Kawasaki ZX14 were run head to head, both with 800 miles on them, both with stock gearing,stock pipes, stock height, stock tires(same air pressure),stock settings on chassis,same gas out of same jug(pump), and same rider(me)
alternating between both bikes after 4 runs a piece.
After 4 runs on the Hayabusa, a baseline ET of 9.92@ 141.55 (STOCK HEIGHT)
4 runs on the ZX14 netted a baseline of 9.77 at 145.89
after 6 sets of 4 runs a piece ,the best numbers looked like this
Hayabusa ZX
1.66 1.66
4.31 4.34
6.34 6.27
114.44 mph 117.10 mph
9.901@142.00 9.755@146.20 STOCK HEIGHT!!!!!!!
  
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posted October 11, 2011 11:32 AM
I sorry, your making me hungry.... It's Launching.
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Bently
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posted October 11, 2011 11:52 AM
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The magazines usually correct the numbers tbey run, rarely do they post what they actually run-so don't look foreward to a motorcycle journalist's assessment, look for it in the real world-punk...
Who are u calling punk ?
So how many drag strip passes do you have on a gen 2 busa?
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ZX14Mike
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posted October 11, 2011 12:45 PM
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thats a no brainer I just can't see keeping it down at stock setup with all that power. I've ridding the the other one at stock setup and now way can you keep it down to much torque.
so that some of the other guys can see what ricky did on a genI busa compared to the new 14 I'll post his report . Rember this is Rickey's report not mine.
Striaght from Rickey...
During a top secret test in Phoenix Arizona, with whether conditions, a beautiful 80 degrees with an adjusted altitude of 1800 ft.........a 2006 Hayabusa and a 2006 Kawasaki ZX14 were run head to head, both with 800 miles on them, both with stock gearing,stock pipes, stock height, stock tires(same air pressure),stock settings on chassis,same gas out of same jug(pump), and same rider(me)
alternating between both bikes after 4 runs a piece.
After 4 runs on the Hayabusa, a baseline ET of 9.92@ 141.55 (STOCK HEIGHT)
4 runs on the ZX14 netted a baseline of 9.77 at 145.89
after 6 sets of 4 runs a piece ,the best numbers looked like this
Hayabusa ZX
1.66 1.66
4.31 4.34
6.34 6.27
114.44 mph 117.10 mph
9.901@142.00 9.755@146.20 STOCK HEIGHT!!!!!!!
The wheelbase is like an inch longer isnt it...............you really think it will be that big a wheelie machine that you wont be able to put the power to the ground?
I'm thinking it beats the current bikes by 2 tenths!!!
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kaw-rick
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posted October 11, 2011 12:55 PM
im confused on the busa only running 10,20s hell i ran a stock 05 zx10 with two miles on it to a 10,06. also stock zx14 10.05 and im 220lbs.
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Master
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posted October 11, 2011 01:04 PM
 Edited By: Master on 11 Oct 2011 21:08
its also alot higher. Yes torque it what makes it a wheelie monster most of the guys will tell you they could only go so fast until they streched and lowered there bikes. I you watch shines brock video about the BMW he says how he could only run a 10.1 on the bmw stock setup and how he ran a 9.7 on a genI busa beilive it or not more power on a shorter bike will make it slower. Most if not all of the guys on this site with 8.? bikes will tell you how imposible it would be for them to go fast on there bike if you set it back to stock height and lenth. If there is one thing the guys on this site have learned is how to setup there bikes to go fast. Lower and longer is always faster. The twisting power of the new 14 is huge and I don't think the fixed the weaker shock on the 14 . Once the bike is setup right bye bye every body. I just hope they didn't mess up there great clucth but then againg with that much torque you have to make it safer.
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busa08
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posted October 11, 2011 01:23 PM
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The magazines usually correct the numbers tbey run, rarely do they post what they actually run-so don't look foreward to a motorcycle journalist's assessment, look for it in the real world-punk...
Who are u calling punk ?
So how many drag strip passes do you have on a gen 2 busa?
bently i have done plenty..i am not expert but i have been riding for 46 years and had 4 first gen busa and 1 second gen, 3 zx12r and 3 zx14, 2 gsxr1000 one R1 in the last 12 years and all i am saying is that my 08 busa with stock swingarm and not lowered was alot harder for me to lunch than any other bikes i had. if i am wrong please forgive me since there are alot of experts here...
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CraZX14
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posted October 11, 2011 03:50 PM
The wheelbase is like an inch longer isnt it...............you really think it will be that big a wheelie machine that you wont be able to put the power to the ground?
I'm thinking it beats the current bikes by 2 tenths!!!
Old wheelbase of 57.5" vs new at 58.3" will mean very little given what should be a considerable bump in power figures. Busa, 14, Gen1, Gen2 . . . . it really doesn't matter - any of these things (along with every liter bike now in production) make enough power that to really get it to the ground, the bike must be stretched and lowered. Can't wait to see some "before and after" #s on this thing....
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eklipse636
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posted October 11, 2011 03:51 PM
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First let me be the first to say the new 14 is faster then the genII busa.
Now that thats out of the way. there is no way in stock form that the zx14 should beat the genII busa and I say this because the torque of the new 14 is way higher then the busa and at sock lenth anyone who has ridden a 14 will tell you it is a wheelie monster let alone a new the 14 which is a beast compared to the old one. one of The reasons the genII busa beat the first 14 in stock form was it was lower and longer making it easyer to keep down.
Now you take a bike like the new 14 give it more torque and hp at the same height and lenth let say that some of the non pro best rider can chime in on this. A stock 180hp lower longer bike againt a 2010 hp shorter higher setting bike No straps or lowering. I think properly setup 14 all the way stock 14 has too much to keep down.
you said the new 14 is faster than gen2 busa but then you say that it should not beat the busa!!! i am confused!!
the problem with second gen. busa is lunching difficulty.. they design the gearing to rev faster ( larger rear sprocket) for that reason in stock position it is very difficult to get max out of that bike lunching!
How many passes have you made on a gen 2 busa?
I was thinking the same thing...
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posted October 11, 2011 04:04 PM
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First let me be the first to say the new 14 is faster then the genII busa.
Now that thats out of the way. there is no way in stock form that the zx14 should beat the genII busa and I say this because the torque of the new 14 is way higher then the busa and at sock lenth anyone who has ridden a 14 will tell you it is a wheelie monster let alone a new the 14 which is a beast compared to the old one. one of The reasons the genII busa beat the first 14 in stock form was it was lower and longer making it easyer to keep down.
Now you take a bike like the new 14 give it more torque and hp at the same height and lenth let say that some of the non pro best rider can chime in on this. A stock 180hp lower longer bike againt a 2010 hp shorter higher setting bike No straps or lowering. I think properly setup 14 all the way stock 14 has too much to keep down.
you said the new 14 is faster than gen2 busa but then you say that it should not beat the busa!!! i am confused!!
the problem with second gen. busa is lunching difficulty.. they design the gearing to rev faster ( larger rear sprocket) for that reason in stock position it is very difficult to get max out of that bike lunching!
You must be fuckin high!!! They launch the same. I own both bikes. I've actually been better 60' times on my genII than my 14 SWB to SWB MY booza was a easier bike to ride.
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busa08
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posted October 11, 2011 04:40 PM
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First let me be the first to say the new 14 is faster then the genII busa.
Now that thats out of the way. there is no way in stock form that the zx14 should beat the genII busa and I say this because the torque of the new 14 is way higher then the busa and at sock lenth anyone who has ridden a 14 will tell you it is a wheelie monster let alone a new the 14 which is a beast compared to the old one. one of The reasons the genII busa beat the first 14 in stock form was it was lower and longer making it easyer to keep down.
Now you take a bike like the new 14 give it more torque and hp at the same height and lenth let say that some of the non pro best rider can chime in on this. A stock 180hp lower longer bike againt a 2010 hp shorter higher setting bike No straps or lowering. I think properly setup 14 all the way stock 14 has too much to keep down.
you said the new 14 is faster than gen2 busa but then you say that it should not beat the busa!!! i am confused!!
the problem with second gen. busa is lunching difficulty.. they design the gearing to rev faster ( larger rear sprocket) for that reason in stock position it is very difficult to get max out of that bike lunching!
How many passes have you made on a gen 2 busa?
I was thinking the same thing...
if you read what i wrote above it tells you how many times.. i bet you i have been riding alot longer than you.. you think extending and dropping your bike and drag race makes you an expert on everything? is 223 times enough to be qualified in your book. i bet you i was riding when you were not even born.. i said the busa was harder for me to lunch and you guys are making remarks like that. oh well.. you guys are so good!!
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busa08
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posted October 11, 2011 05:06 PM
Edited By: busa08 on 12 Oct 2011 01:08
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First let me be the first to say the new 14 is faster then the genII busa.
Now that thats out of the way. there is no way in stock form that the zx14 should beat the genII busa and I say this because the torque of the new 14 is way higher then the busa and at sock lenth anyone who has ridden a 14 will tell you it is a wheelie monster let alone a new the 14 which is a beast compared to the old one. one of The reasons the genII busa beat the first 14 in stock form was it was lower and longer making it easyer to keep down.
Now you take a bike like the new 14 give it more torque and hp at the same height and lenth let say that some of the non pro best rider can chime in on this. A stock 180hp lower longer bike againt a 2010 hp shorter higher setting bike No straps or lowering. I think properly setup 14 all the way stock 14 has too much to keep down.
you said the new 14 is faster than gen2 busa but then you say that it should not beat the busa!!! i am confused!!
the problem with second gen. busa is lunching difficulty.. they design the gearing to rev faster ( larger rear sprocket) for that reason in stock position it is very difficult to get max out of that bike lunching!
You must be fuckin high!!! They launch the same. I own both bikes. I've actually been better 60' times on my genII than my 14 SWB to SWB MY booza was a easier bike to ride.
ok.. i am high but do me a favor why don't you ask rickey g. on his run with busa on the video the best he had was 10.25? was he high too or was it all done intentially!!
and he is suppose to be the best or maybe kawasaki paid him to go slow!!
i am pretty sure alot of people here with less experience got better than 10.25!!!
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busa08
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posted October 11, 2011 06:00 PM
Edited By: busa08 on 12 Oct 2011 02:02
folks all i can say is drop this manufactures loyalty bullshit.. ( get you all stressed out about suzuki or kawasaki..) they don't give a shit about customers and you and all they want is put more money in their pocket with raising prices and give you less value. 15k for a bike...that is freaking outragous.. i can almost buy a car for that.
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dakota9498
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posted October 11, 2011 06:07 PM
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folks all i can say is drop this manufactures loyalty bullshit.. ( get you all stressed out about suzuki or kawasaki..) they don't give a shit about customers and you and all they want is put more money in their pocket with raising prices and give you less value. 15k for a bike...that is freaking outragous.. i can almost buy a car for that.
Then do us all a favor and go buy a Prius and get off this site douchebag.
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busa08
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posted October 11, 2011 06:08 PM
Edited By: busa08 on 12 Oct 2011 02:09
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folks all i can say is drop this manufactures loyalty bullshit.. ( get you all stressed out about suzuki or kawasaki..) they don't give a shit about customers and you and all they want is put more money in their pocket with raising prices and give you less value. 15k for a bike...that is freaking outragous.. i can almost buy a car for that.
Then do us all a favor and go buy a Prius and get off this site douchebag.
prius for 15k.. ?? where have you been!! they are about 25k!! lol
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gilberjj
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posted October 11, 2011 06:41 PM
I've seen busa08 write lunch instead of launch at least 4 times now.... Do you realize how dumb u sound?
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1badzx12r
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posted October 11, 2011 06:54 PM
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folks all i can say is drop this manufactures loyalty bullshit.. ( get you all stressed out about suzuki or kawasaki..) they don't give a shit about customers and you and all they want is put more money in their pocket with raising prices and give you less value. 15k for a bike...that is freaking outragous.. i can almost buy a car for that.
Then do us all a favor and go buy a Prius and get off this site douchebag.
prius for 15k.. ?? where have you been!! they are about 25k!! lol
ok how about a KIA RIO for 9.999.00 and pocket the rest ..
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busa08
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posted October 11, 2011 06:59 PM
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I've seen busa08 write lunch instead of launch at least 4 times now.... Do you realize how dumb u sound?
sorry bro.. i did not finish high school! thanks for correcting me..
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busa08
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posted October 11, 2011 07:01 PM
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folks all i can say is drop this manufactures loyalty bullshit.. ( get you all stressed out about suzuki or kawasaki..) they don't give a shit about customers and you and all they want is put more money in their pocket with raising prices and give you less value. 15k for a bike...that is freaking outragous.. i can almost buy a car for that.
Then do us all a favor and go buy a Prius and get off this site douchebag.
prius for 15k.. ?? where have you been!! they are about 25k!! lol
ok how about a KIA RIO for 9.999.00 and pocket the rest ..
kia?? no way.. it is not even worth 9999.00. lol
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JZX
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posted October 11, 2011 07:38 PM
All big bikes and liter bikes are in that price range now-deal with it.
I saw the vid of the busa vs 14R and not one race in the vid did the busa get a 9-so I don't know where the avg of 99.0 is coming fron. The busa cant be launched as "hard" stock vs the clutch mod nedded to really leave right, so if both bikes are having trouble, thats the busas reason, the new 14s reason is most likely not being wot thru 1st gear.
I believe a month or so ago when RG went 6.34@118.8 was becuase he had the front strapped?? Why else would he trap a higher speed.
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busa08
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posted October 11, 2011 07:45 PM
Edited By: busa08 on 12 Oct 2011 03:46
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All big bikes and liter bikes are in that price range now-deal with it.
I saw the vid of the busa vs 14R and not one race in the vid did the busa get a 9-so I don't know where the avg of 99.0 is coming fron. The busa cant be launched as "hard" stock vs the clutch mod nedded to really leave right, so if both bikes are having trouble, thats the busas reason, the new 14s reason is most likely not being wot thru 1st gear.
I believe a month or so ago when RG went 6.34@118.8 was becuase he had the front strapped?? Why else would he trap a higher speed.
i think you answered what i was trying to say all this time and everyone harrasing me with "how many passes you have done" ..... thanks
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justoyz2
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posted October 11, 2011 08:33 PM
Edited By: justoyz2 on 12 Oct 2011 04:41
First of all, please give Busa08 a break... he is entitled to his opinion just as we are entitled to ours....mount your argument based on his theory, not his character. After all we are all bike enthusiasts.
-Fact, the '08 busa has more tq when compared to the 1st Gen 14
-Fact, the busa has clutch isssues, always have.... you have to mod it to get decent short times.
-Fact, I have seen a Brock stock wheel base busa go 9,7ish with Richard G, Shine and a few others. The difference here is, they were not there, and the conditions were not the same, and the location was different.
-Fact, many of you are looking at the wrong thing... in the video, both riders leave very close together, but look at the exccelleration factor; the '12 zx14, pulls very hard and pulls right away from the busa......
-Fact, if you put Shine, Teasly or any other pro rider on the busa, in the same scenero the result would be the same... (remember when you go faster, you lose mph)
-REALITY, Suzuki needs to step their game up, they are behind on both fronts... LITER BIKE and FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON THE PLANET. Team Kawi should be commened on their reply to the BMW Corp and leading the pack for a new generations of sport bikes....
The Guntlet has been laid.... who will step up? Honda(liter class), Suzuki (hope so), BMW(liter class, perhaps in liter plus) Yamaha (liter class)
This will be an exciting two to three year ...
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kneedragon1962
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posted October 12, 2011 01:19 AM
There are other possibilities, guys. Ricky is kawasaki's man. I'm not saying KHI built him a 14 with a little extra love, but I wouldn't like to bet lots of money they didn't. But you can be pretty sure Suzuki didn't do him any favours. That's one possibility.
You guys set the bikes up for best performance. In that vid, Ricky set the bikes up to represent exactly how they roll out of the showroom. Of course the numbers are going to be a little different to what you see.
3rd possibility - over years of production, cores move and moulds distort and engines get heavier and less powerful. The best ones are usually the ones made in the first few weeks of production. Like the ZX14R that Ricky is showing - as opposed to the 'busa that was cast about the same time - in moulds that are how old?
And last - without saying Ricky threw the runs on the 'busa - wouldn't you try a little harder to please your boss and make his product look good? It would have to be there in the back of your mind that he was expecting you to.
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Master
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posted October 12, 2011 07:06 AM
Dakota what was you best time stock wheel base at barona.
I know Price ran 6.2s stock wheelbase on his genI busa there.
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posted October 12, 2011 07:22 AM
Edited By: dakota9498 on 12 Oct 2011 15:25
I only took it out one day and that was bone stock, with a strap. I ran 6.40's at 115 on mid 1.6x 60fts. DA that day was 2400ft, so a good day for Barona. I wish I would have taken it out a few times at stock wheelbase after the pipe and PCIII.
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