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posted October 09, 2011 02:25 PM
2012 ZX-14r Full Release Info here.....
I just got off the phone, all the info will be here at bikeland on October 10th in the am!!!
As promised, Bikeland members will get the scoop here first on all the new details on the new 2012 ZX14R !!
Check in here tomorrow morning and as the morning progresses the info and pics will be rolling in. I will post what I'm allowed as I can.
Its 1999 again boys!!! But this time its Kawi's turn!!! This bike is no joke.
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busa08
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posted October 09, 2011 02:32 PM
 Edited By: busa08 on 9 Oct 2011 22:37
about time!
let see.. it will be like the 2nd gen. busa... some plastic changes.. same frame.. more cc.. claiming more horsepower.. can not lunch it like 2nd gen busa and the result will be slower than 06-11 zx14 like 2nd gen busa.
...and i forgot.. about 14k sticker!!
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RICH CRAFT 1
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posted October 09, 2011 02:57 PM
quote:
about time!
let see.. it will be like the 2nd gen. busa... some plastic changes.. same frame.. more cc.. claiming more horsepower.. can not lunch it like 2nd gen busa and the result will be slower than 06-11 zx14 like 2nd gen busa.
...and i forgot.. about 14k sticker!!
It amazes me how some people start hating before they've even seen the product? what's really bothering you is you might have to buy one of these bikes to stay up LOL.
Ken
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busa08
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posted October 09, 2011 04:10 PM
quote:
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about time!
let see.. it will be like the 2nd gen. busa... some plastic changes.. same frame.. more cc.. claiming more horsepower.. can not lunch it like 2nd gen busa and the result will be slower than 06-11 zx14 like 2nd gen busa.
...and i forgot.. about 14k sticker!!
It amazes me how some people start hating before they've even seen the product? what's really bothering you is you might have to buy one of these bikes to stay up LOL.
Ken
not a hater.. just saying the fact. japanese car and motorcycle industries are flat, they are not moving forward, the only thing is going forward is the sky high prices.( i personaly will never buy a new bike anymore because it does not worth it anymore). they use to give us alot more value for the price vs. competition and that is why people bought them because it was affordable., look at it now they are almost as expensive of german and italian bikes. i have been in japanese car business for 15 years and i know what is going on, competition catching up and passing us.
i owned three first gen busas and one 2nd gen. busa and i can tell you that 12 years old bike is as good as the second gen. and even better on some things. i own a 07 zx14 now and i hope they have done massive improvement in performance and looks of 2012 zx14. i just lost my faith on japanese bikes.. hope i am wrong.
just my 2 cents.
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Bently
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posted October 09, 2011 04:14 PM
quote:
about time!
let see.. it will be like the 2nd gen. busa... some plastic changes.. same frame.. more cc.. claiming more horsepower.. can not lunch it like 2nd gen busa and the result will be slower than 06-11 zx14 like 2nd gen busa.
...and i forgot.. about 14k sticker!!
So your saying a gen 1 busa will run the same numbers at the track as a gen 2 busa if they are set up the same?
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kawboy81
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posted October 09, 2011 04:15 PM
quote:
quote:
about time!
let see.. it will be like the 2nd gen. busa... some plastic changes.. same frame.. more cc.. claiming more horsepower.. can not lunch it like 2nd gen busa and the result will be slower than 06-11 zx14 like 2nd gen busa.
...and i forgot.. about 14k sticker!!
It amazes me how some people start hating before they've even seen the product? what's really bothering you is you might have to buy one of these bikes to stay up LOL.
Ken
What amazes me is the fact Suzie has to wait out Kawi every new launch just so they can TRY to best us. Its easy to say ok they make this HP so we gotta do this.... lmao the new 14 will crush the current BOOza, you actually think they will release something that is NOT the current fastest bike out, especially when they are at war with Suzie? get real
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busa08
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posted October 09, 2011 04:22 PM
quote:
quote:
about time!
let see.. it will be like the 2nd gen. busa... some plastic changes.. same frame.. more cc.. claiming more horsepower.. can not lunch it like 2nd gen busa and the result will be slower than 06-11 zx14 like 2nd gen busa.
...and i forgot.. about 14k sticker!!
So your saying a gen 1 busa will run the same numbers at the track as a gen 2 busa if they are set up the same?
the only thing they done the 2nd gen busa is change the gearing so it revs alot faster and if you can lunch that thing correctly ( wheelie machine)you might have a 2 tenth advantage in qtr. mile.
all i am saying that the look changes and performance vs. 1999 busa is a disappointment.
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eklipse636
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posted October 09, 2011 04:25 PM
quote:
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about time!
let see.. it will be like the 2nd gen. busa... some plastic changes.. same frame.. more cc.. claiming more horsepower.. can not lunch it like 2nd gen busa and the result will be slower than 06-11 zx14 like 2nd gen busa.
...and i forgot.. about 14k sticker!!
So your saying a gen 1 busa will run the same numbers at the track as a gen 2 busa if they are set up the same?
the only thing they done the 2nd gen busa is change the gearing so it revs alot faster and if you can lunch that thing correctly ( wheelie machine)you might have a 2 tenth advantage in qtr. mile.
all i am saying that the look changes and performance vs. 1999 busa is a disappointment.
You have got to be kidding....
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kawboy81
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posted October 09, 2011 04:27 PM
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about time!
let see.. it will be like the 2nd gen. busa... some plastic changes.. same frame.. more cc.. claiming more horsepower.. can not lunch it like 2nd gen busa and the result will be slower than 06-11 zx14 like 2nd gen busa.
...and i forgot.. about 14k sticker!!
So your saying a gen 1 busa will run the same numbers at the track as a gen 2 busa if they are set up the same?
the only thing they done the 2nd gen busa is change the gearing so it revs alot faster and if you can lunch that thing correctly ( wheelie machine)you might have a 2 tenth advantage in qtr. mile.
all i am saying that the look changes and performance vs. 1999 busa is a disappointment.
You have got to be kidding....
You noticed that too? I dont think he is at all................... 
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Y2KZX12R
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posted October 09, 2011 04:28 PM
Actually the gen 2 busa has 2mm longer stroke. gen 1's are 1300cc and the gen 2's are 1340cc.
The cylinder head was also revised. The intake ports are different as are the exhaust ports.
The camshafts are also bigger in the gen 2 busas. There are about a dozen other small changes they made as well, but i wont bore you to death with that.
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busa08
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posted October 09, 2011 04:35 PM
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Actually the gen 2 busa has 2mm longer stroke. gen 1's are 1300cc and the gen 2's are 1340cc.
The cylinder head was also revised. The intake ports are different as are the exhaust ports.
The camshafts are also bigger in the gen 2 busas. There are about a dozen other small changes they made as well, but i wont bore you to death with that.
i am talking performance not what they have done to the engine!! i know they are 1340 and dozen other small changes!
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busa08
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posted October 09, 2011 04:37 PM
quote:
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Actually the gen 2 busa has 2mm longer stroke. gen 1's are 1300cc and the gen 2's are 1340cc.
The cylinder head was also revised. The intake ports are different as are the exhaust ports.
The camshafts are also bigger in the gen 2 busas. There are about a dozen other small changes they made as well, but i wont bore you to death with that.
i am talking performance not what they have done to the engine!! i know they are 1340 and dozen other small changes!
my point is not zx14 or busa. as i mentioned above is the way japanese bikes moving forward..
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busa08
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posted October 09, 2011 04:46 PM
ok guys.. you might think this guy just came in here and has 13 posts and talking too much shit. well that is not true. i have been here since 2006 when i bought my 06 zx14 and then 07 zx14 and then left the forum because i bought the 08 busa and now back on the 07 zx14 se saddle. could not use my old name so i am having this name ( busa 08 for the time i was not here)! old name was shawnski... some might remember.
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JZX
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posted October 09, 2011 04:48 PM
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about time!
let see.. it will be like the 2nd gen. busa... some plastic changes.. same frame.. more cc.. claiming more horsepower.. can not lunch it like 2nd gen busa and the result will be slower than 06-11 zx14 like 2nd gen busa.
...and i forgot.. about 14k sticker!!
So your saying a gen 1 busa will run the same numbers at the track as a gen 2 busa if they are set up the same?
the only thing they done the 2nd gen busa is change the gearing so it revs alot faster and if you can lunch that thing correctly ( wheelie machine)you might have a 2 tenth advantage in qtr. mile.
all i am saying that the look changes and performance vs. 1999 busa is a disappointment.
You have got to be kidding....
WTF??
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MJ
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posted October 09, 2011 04:53 PM
The bike makers use the the standard selling system of building big hype over less than big hp increases, they've done it forever, and except for the original busa, they've continued that same trend up till now. With the current economy I'll be shocked if the new 14 isn't the same old predictable step up as the old, another 13hp over the competition. That'll be a nice improvement for sure, but nothing out of the norm at all for this class. Its going to need twice that to be 1999 all over again.......I just hope you're right Jim ;-)
I'm still wondering though how they're going to get a massive hp increase with a 90cc bore and stroke job? Maybe it will be supercharged?
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justoyz2
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posted October 09, 2011 05:20 PM
Edited By: justoyz2 on 10 Oct 2011 01:45
busa08, sorry to share this with you, but you are wrong:
Components 1999 2008
Engine : 1299 1340
Bore : 81mm 81mm
Stroke : 61mm 63mm
Compression ratio : 11 to 1 12.5 to 1
Dry weight : 215kg 220kg
Drive gear: (same)
claimed HP (crank) 178 197
claime HP (rw) 151.3 167.45
So, as you can see there is a big difference between the two generations bikes. The numbers posted are not mine, but the MFGs. As Jim has already posted the additional changes above (no need to be redundent) So, there is almost 17 hp advantage towards the 08 busa... The changes occured because of one bike.... 2006 zx14; now Kawi realized that a new player is in the game (BMW), so they made a change to their liter bike and both S1krr and the zx10 will out run an 06 - 11 zx14 & 08-11 busa (comprably equipeted w/ a pipe/gearing/pc). Kawi is doing nothing more than what they have done in the past as with the zx11 & zx9r, zx9r and the zx12, zx12 & zx14..... No major changes were made for the zx14 in 6 yrs..... and this bike will still run with the new version busa...
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posted October 09, 2011 05:23 PM
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Actually the gen 2 busa has 2mm longer stroke. gen 1's are 1300cc and the gen 2's are 1340cc.
The cylinder head was also revised. The intake ports are different as are the exhaust ports.
The camshafts are also bigger in the gen 2 busas. There are about a dozen other small changes they made as well, but i wont bore you to death with that.
i am talking performance not what they have done to the engine!! i know they are 1340 and dozen other small changes!
Ummm, those changes did lead to a big increase in performance.
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busa08
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posted October 09, 2011 05:41 PM
Edited By: busa08 on 10 Oct 2011 01:45
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busa08, sorry to share this with you, but you are wrong:
Components 1999 2008
Engine : 1299 1340
Bore : 81mm 81mm
Stroke : 61mm 63mm
Compression ratio : 11 to 1 12.5 to 1
Dry weight : 215kg 220kg
Drive gear: (same)
claimed HP (crank) 178 197
claime HP (rw) 151.3 167.45
So, as you can see there is a big difference between the two generations bikes. The numbers posted are not mine, but the MFGs. As Jim has already posted the additional changes above (no need to be redundent) So, there is almost 17 hp advantage towards the 08 busa... The changes occured because of one bike.... 2006 zx14; now Kawi realized that a new player is in the game (BMW), so they made a change to their liter bike and both S1krr and the zx10 will out run an 06 - 11 zx14 & 08-11 busa (comprably equipeted w/ a pipe/gearing/pc). Kawi is doing nothing more than what they have done in the past as with the zx11 & zx9r, zx9r and the zx12, zx12 & zx14..... No major changes were made for the zx14 in 6 yrs..... and this bike will still run with the new version busa...
claimed hp.. hmm.. it is all claimed not real.. put the 2nd gen busa on dyno and you won't be any close to 178.
... and i think you have not been fair to 1st gen busa ... only 151 claimed? that means in reality 145 hp. i thought they claimed 163.00 and in reality 158.00
i have ridden 1st gen and owned and second gen and owned and i don't see much difference in performance.
i have done many roll ons on my 08 busa with many different first gen busas and they are just about even each time.
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posted October 09, 2011 05:44 PM
you didn't tak'em to the track, did you?
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busa08
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posted October 09, 2011 05:46 PM
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you didn't tak'em to the track, did you?
no..
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justoyz2
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posted October 09, 2011 05:57 PM
The claimed HP was off the a hyabusa website... You are confusing the crank hp with the rwhp... and these numbers are stock bikes, not piped or pc'd
The numbers are fair.. 15ish was avg with that bike. There was nothing that could touch it in '99
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posted October 09, 2011 06:00 PM
Anyway, the point is Rickey told me that as promised the info will be here tomorrow morning after 9:30.
Someone will post the info. I'm not sure if it will be him, me or someone else but its his appreciation for you guys who did him a favor last month. You guys know who you are.
Anyway, Thanks
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eklipse636
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posted October 09, 2011 06:08 PM
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busa08, sorry to share this with you, but you are wrong:
Components 1999 2008
Engine : 1299 1340
Bore : 81mm 81mm
Stroke : 61mm 63mm
Compression ratio : 11 to 1 12.5 to 1
Dry weight : 215kg 220kg
Drive gear: (same)
claimed HP (crank) 178 197
claime HP (rw) 151.3 167.45
So, as you can see there is a big difference between the two generations bikes. The numbers posted are not mine, but the MFGs. As Jim has already posted the additional changes above (no need to be redundent) So, there is almost 17 hp advantage towards the 08 busa... The changes occured because of one bike.... 2006 zx14; now Kawi realized that a new player is in the game (BMW), so they made a change to their liter bike and both S1krr and the zx10 will out run an 06 - 11 zx14 & 08-11 busa (comprably equipeted w/ a pipe/gearing/pc). Kawi is doing nothing more than what they have done in the past as with the zx11 & zx9r, zx9r and the zx12, zx12 & zx14..... No major changes were made for the zx14 in 6 yrs..... and this bike will still run with the new version busa...
Yep, you weren't kidding...
Where have you been the past few years? Wherever it was, you can go back with all that ignorant talk. What your saying doesn't make sense, nor is it close to being facts.
You take these bikes to the track and you will learn more there about performance than you will ever learn in the Japanese car business.
claimed hp.. hmm.. it is all claimed not real.. put the 2nd gen busa on dyno and you won't be any close to 178.
... and i think you have not been fair to 1st gen busa ... only 151 claimed? that means in reality 145 hp. i thought they claimed 163.00 and in reality 158.00
i have ridden 1st gen and owned and second gen and owned and i don't see much difference in performance.
i have done many roll ons on my 08 busa with many different first gen busas and they are just about even each time.
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justoyz2
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posted October 09, 2011 06:18 PM
CONFUSED, who are you talking to me or busa08?
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Big_T112
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posted October 09, 2011 06:41 PM
I wonder if it will have secondary injectors like the current Busa? I can tell you with a Gen 2 reflash, filter and a good pipe 190 something at the rear wheel is doable.
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