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posted July 22, 2011 08:54 AM
 Edited By: 3000psi and falling on 22 Jul 2011 16:59
Alien Head 20
So I thouhgt I was set on the m10/14 system, till I noticed the muffler was round and not tri oval. So I have been leaning towards the brocks Alien head systems, whats the diference in the 14" vs 20" systems? Im guessing some hp is moved around between the two? Ground clearance is a factor to, My pan is being cut 1.5" and the bike has been lowered 1.5 front and back.
Anyone have a pic of the 20" AH on the 14?
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08 ZX14, 2010 Persimmon Red bodywork.
Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
  
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NinjaNick
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posted July 22, 2011 09:46 AM
Edited By: NinjaNick on 22 Jul 2011 17:52
My 14 has the 20" alien head. I've put up pictures before of my bike. It's just longer. I don't like shorty pipes so I got the 20".
It's not for sale anymore because I kept it and made it long and low. Here's a few pics of the pipe.
http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=3&TID=59503
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3000psi and falling
Zone Head
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posted July 22, 2011 10:09 AM
does that system sit lower than the stock pan's sump?
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08 ZX14, 2010 Persimmon Red bodywork.
Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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posted July 22, 2011 10:19 AM
I guess the deciding factor will be ground clearance, I have a cut down pan so id like to get the most out of it.
I think the CT has good ground clearance, but its expensive.
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08 ZX14, 2010 Persimmon Red bodywork.
Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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Big_T112
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posted July 22, 2011 11:00 AM
The short one will melt your sock and burn your ankle on lanches if your not careful.... trust me I know. I myself like the shorter pipe's look.
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LAB3
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posted July 22, 2011 12:23 PM
Muzzy M14 has the best clearence........look at Shane661 build thread I had Shanes M14 for several years
and on the street it was better below 4K doing roll on's and held it's on to Red Line. If I was going to buy a
Brocks the long Meg would be my pick. The short AH will burn your boots at the Drag Strip. You can remove the baffel on the Meg. I remember some AH owners had the rivets fail and Brock wanted him to buy
a new AH silencer...I think after it was posted here and got bad PR he gave the owner a new baffel for it.
Brocks CT systems are a bit over priced compaired to some others. Remember Sticks and Gilbertjj had the Muzzy vs Brocks dyno thread a few years ago............ the M14 won. I know different engines, different milage
etc. just sayin what I have seen and done on the street rolling on with several of my friends 14's with Brocks system. PM Oilfieldtrash he had a AH and I out weigh him. I just inched him out but that tells you a M14
is not a bad system and it has a O2 threaded port for data logging. And it is a bit less expensive. 3000PSI
nothing wrong with a Brocks but it does NOT have the best ground clearence.
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Zone Head
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posted July 22, 2011 01:42 PM
Thanks Louis, I have been chatting with Brock today about a proper system today to. It looks like I may have kinda wasted my time and money having my pan cut down after researching the exhaust systems I'm interested in, all the systems I've seen sit lower or flush (the ct) with the drain plug, so having my pan cut was pointless unless I go with a sidewinder from what I'm gathering..
Are these sidewinder style exhausts streetable? I know they reduce your right turn angle, but by how much? The exhausts on my list are the Ct single, ah 20" or the muzzy m10 14 black
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08 ZX14, 2010 Persimmon Red bodywork.
Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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LAB3
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posted July 22, 2011 02:31 PM
Edited By: LAB3 on 22 Jul 2011 23:48
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Thanks Louis, I have been chatting with Brock today about a proper system today to. It looks like I may have kinda wasted my time and money having my pan cut down after researching the exhaust systems I'm interested in, all the systems I've seen sit lower or flush (the ct) with the drain plug, so having my pan cut was pointless unless I go with a sidewinder from what I'm gathering..
Are these sidewinder style exhausts streetable? I know they reduce your right turn angle, but by how much? The exhausts on my list are the Ct single, ah 20" or the muzzy m10 14 black
I don't think you wasted you time or money having the pan cut down. Lowered and strapped and extensions you will be glad you did cut the pan.....if it pulls the front TOO high in 1st gear.......shit happens. Pass on the sidwinder from anyone for the street with 2 up like you told me you were going to do. Brocks pipes are great but so are several others. I was going to get a Brocks Street Smart that looks like a Muzzy M14 with a oval SS polish can. But I got Shanes M14 for $400.00 and was like new. No much HP difference in the two systems.I thought the Muzzy oval can had better made end caps. Hey I worked at D&D 25 years ago when they were the Brocks back in the Day. A lot of the Road racers used a 4/2/1 D&D back in the carb days. :-)
All the one's you are loking at with a map will run Great over stock be carefull.Have FUN.
Louis
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posted July 22, 2011 06:16 PM
i absolutely agree that cutting the pan is a must. The first mod I would put on a new zx14 would be an OSR pan.
Beware the alien head and all of it's Leather/leg burning goodness lol. In my opinion, if you're going to go with a non CT system you should do the SMEG, or the Shorty Gen3. I loved both, but really wish that I had gotten my shorty gen3 in carbon fiber instead of stainless. I would have still been running it if I had.
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joel787
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posted July 22, 2011 06:24 PM
Yes sir, had a friend with a lowered zx10 break his pan on the freeway, better be safe than sorry it aint that expensive either
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NinjaNick
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posted July 22, 2011 07:49 PM
I never checked out the pipe with the stock pan. I definitely can' t help now though because since I went low and long I have a cut OSR pan. I love my 20" AH.
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Zone Head
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posted July 23, 2011 10:52 AM
Is 1,112.00 a good price shipped for a new 20" AH system?
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08 ZX14, 2010 Persimmon Red bodywork.
Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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Shane661
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posted July 23, 2011 10:54 AM
Your pan is being cut 1.5"??
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Zone Head
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posted July 23, 2011 11:14 AM
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Your pan is being cut 1.5"??
Yes, as we speak by BMC in CA
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08 ZX14, 2010 Persimmon Red bodywork.
Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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eklipse636
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posted July 23, 2011 02:18 PM
3,000 that seems a hair on the high side. I paid $980 shipped for my alienhead 2 years ago.
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posted July 23, 2011 02:24 PM
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3,000 that seems a hair on the high side. I paid $980 shipped for my alienhead 2 years ago.
Is the 20" more money though?
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08 ZX14, 2010 Persimmon Red bodywork.
Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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eklipse636
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posted July 23, 2011 03:56 PM
Should be the same price.
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Shane661
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posted July 23, 2011 03:59 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 24 Jul 2011 00:01
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Your pan is being cut 1.5"??
Yes, as we speak by BMC in CA
I can't see a good reason to cut the pan 1.5" unless you had a sidewinder. The pans for a sidewinder have a larger sump than stock.
What are you doing to keep from losing significant oil capacity??
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Zone Head
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posted July 23, 2011 04:22 PM
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Your pan is being cut 1.5"??
Yes, as we speak by BMC in CA
I can't see a good reason to cut the pan 1.5" unless you had a sidewinder. The pans for a sidewinder have a larger sump than stock.
What are you doing to keep from losing significant oil capacity??
Well the pans already paid for and being cut, I could always buy a stock pan.
As far as oil capacity, I was told I would loose less than a half of a quart by lonny at bmc who cuts the pan. I was not to worried about it since I change my oil very often.
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08 ZX14, 2010 Persimmon Red bodywork.
Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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Shane661
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posted July 23, 2011 04:36 PM
I would be concerned about losing that much from the sump portion, but that's just me. The pipe will be sticking like 1" or more below the pan when you are done.
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Zone Head
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posted July 23, 2011 05:04 PM
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I would be concerned about losing that much from the sump portion, but that's just me. The pipe will be sticking like 1" or more below the pan when you are done.
If I should be looking for a stock pan please let me know, I'm not trying to toast my motor.
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08 ZX14, 2010 Persimmon Red bodywork.
Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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Shane661
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posted July 23, 2011 05:11 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 24 Jul 2011 01:13
A lot of people have had good success with the OSR pan. I believe it is about 1/2" shorter than stock, and the guard is removed and the drain bolt relocated. That should be more thn adequate and you will partially flatten the pipe before the pan touches.
That is the one that I would use if I were you. I was fine with using a flat drain bolt and shaving the guard down, but others have not been so lucky.
Also, the M14 exhaust has a lot more ground clearance than a Brock's Alien Head. It also has an 02 bung in it for tuning.
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eklipse636
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posted July 23, 2011 05:53 PM
I busted my stock pan. Got the pan from OSR, and I have a good flat spot from coming down off a few hard wheelies and the pan is fine.
If your lowering the bike with stock fender and undertail, you will be fine with a brocks exhaust. I have mine so the nose is about 1/4" off the zx10 fender, and the tire barely touches the undertail. If your going to modify your fender, cut out your undertail, etc then I would get something other than a OSR pan.
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posted July 24, 2011 01:06 AM
Edited By: 3000psi and falling on 24 Jul 2011 09:10
I just looked at the osr pan, it looks just like the cut pan from bmc that im getting, Im confused because you said you believe the osr pan is 1/2" shorter than stock, and the BMC cut pan is 1.5" shorter than stock, but they look the same?? I just want to clear this up before I piss away more money lol
One more thing, BMC coats the pan with "GLYPTOL INNER COATING INSIDE OF THE PAN TO PROMOTE FASTER OIL RETURN TO THE SUMP."
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08 ZX14, 2010 Persimmon Red bodywork.
Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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Shane661
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posted July 24, 2011 03:30 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 24 Jul 2011 11:33
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