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posted July 10, 2011 11:51 AM
Thinking of re installing the flies
I've started re assembly of my bike after my crash, Ive been thinking of re installing the flies. I don't know if I'm scared of high siding again or what. I did like the increase of power down low in the rpm range, but I don't see where I would need that much power down that low and I feel like leaving them out will end up with me going down again.. Am I the first guy to think of doing this? Should I give it another shot?
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Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
  
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posted July 10, 2011 01:08 PM
 Edited By: zixxer14 on 10 Jul 2011 21:08
Man up woosie boy. Flies are for frogs.
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posted July 10, 2011 01:45 PM
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Man up woosie boy. Flies are for frogs.
alright, I'll give it another try. But this time ill be a bit more cautious lol
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Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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posted July 10, 2011 01:46 PM
leave them out i dont think the power gained is going to be the deal breaker
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posted July 10, 2011 01:57 PM
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leave them out i dont think the power gained is going to be the deal breaker
The day before that ride I installed new pilot pures, went down one tooth on the counter sprocket, installed a pc5 with a fuel moto map and pulled the flies. The icing on the Cake was a long cold ferry ride that morning and my tires pumped up to about 45 psi for some high speed straight line runs later that day, made it about 100 yards off the ferry then a screwed up and highsided in a normal left hand turn like I'd done a thousand times before on this bike.
Now the bike is lowered, stretched and has more hp that ever. Just a bit nervous I guess lol
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Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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joel787
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posted July 10, 2011 02:49 PM
Lol...
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eklipse636
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posted July 10, 2011 04:02 PM
Lmao!! So you added all that stuff, and your blaming it on the flies?
Why not take the pc off, and the front sprocket if you can't handle the power?
Or buy a 250
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posted July 10, 2011 04:08 PM
if you're stretching it you won't have to worry about having enough traction to high side lol
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posted July 10, 2011 04:14 PM
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if you're stretching it you won't have to worry about having enough traction to high side lol
I was thinking it would be easier to highside because of the loss in traction from extending the bike?
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Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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posted July 10, 2011 04:22 PM
I blame the tires. not the flies. Ya its really hard to say what exactly caused the crash but you did add a ton of shit the day before, so pick yourself up and jump back in. Hope you were not hurt
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3000psi and falling
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posted July 10, 2011 04:24 PM
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Lmao!! So you added all that stuff, and your blaming it on the flies?
Why not take the pc off, and the front sprocket if you can't handle the power?
Or buy a 250
Wow man, thats a great response. I dont recall blaming this on the flies? It was my own screw up. And last time I checked having the flies in does not effect higher RPM hp under full throttle, thats why I was thinking of re installing them.
Oh and taking off the front sprocket would be a bad idea, without it the chain would just free spin on the output shaft "Lmao!!"
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08 ZX14, 2010 Persimmon Red bodywork.
Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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Shane661
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posted July 10, 2011 04:27 PM
Just an FYI...oem tire pressures will be fine at 200 mph. Cold pavement and high tire pressures are probably what bit you.
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posted July 10, 2011 04:33 PM
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Just an FYI...oem tire pressures will be fine at 200 mph. Cold pavement and high tire pressures are probably what bit you.
I was told to run higher psi for higher top speed.
Yes I do feel that the new tire and high psi at cold temps was the main cause next to me not being cautious. Ive been using bto-16's for years, I should have been far more cautious in learning the bikes new feel.
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Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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INTIMIDA2OR
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posted July 10, 2011 09:57 PM
 good stuff!
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posted July 11, 2011 02:29 AM
Edited By: BobC on 11 Jul 2011 10:39
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I was told to run higher psi for higher top speed.
For racing it's normal to run lower pressure because it increases anyway as the tire warms up, starting off with normal pressure would result in over-pressure, overheating and then loss of grip.
For top speed runs, standing start miles etc. I always use manufacturer's recommended pressure. I never heard of anyone increasing the pressure.
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posted July 11, 2011 05:17 AM
Edited By: BLK ICE on 11 Jul 2011 13:27
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posted July 11, 2011 05:24 AM
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I was told to run higher psi for higher top speed.
For racing it's normal to run lower pressure because it increases anyway as the tire warms up, starting off with normal pressure would result in over-pressure, overheating and then loss of grip.
For top speed runs, standing start miles etc. I always use manufacturer's recommended pressure. I never heard of anyone increasing the pressure.
We have enjoyed fantastic luck with the 190 Shinko Rear Tire for Hot Street and Drag strip use for several years.
(They also work surprisingly well in the rain�.. I remember lofting the wheel from a traffic light in a drowning rain at Bike Week a couple years ago!)
WARNING: The Shinko does require a slight �Break-in� period!
They are coated with a VERY thick layer of preservatives from the factory, which makes them SLIPPERY initially.
We usually lower the pressure to around 12-15 PSI and take a CAREFUL first ride.
A SLIGHT burn out here and there (On the main contact FACE of the tire�the sides should be treated with extreme caution�NO HARD CORNERING for at least the first 100 miles!!) helps speed the process.
DO NOT overheat the tire with excessive burn outs!
Once the tire begins to hook up during short �hops,� we raise the pressure to 22-25 lbs for the street and track on stock wheelbase bikes. 10-12 PSI usually works well for longer bikes.
The Shinko lasts a long time on the street and hooks great at the track once they are broken in.
I have run 8.20�s at 175 MPH with one on my Bandit in shootout trim.
We have them in stock:
http://stores.skipjack.com/brockracing/Detail.bok?no=80
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On another note:
We occasionally use other brands for front tires due to the �rear-to-front tire wear-out ratio� for bikes which are drag raced. Most top-of-the-line ZR-rated RADIAL front tires work well for Street/Strip use in conjunction with the Shinko Rear. WE don�t have problems�but we also don�t drag many knees!!
For a matched set, we also stock the Shinko Front Tires:
http://stores.skipjack.com/brockracing/Detail.bok?no=111
Once again�.be VERY CAREFUL at first! We typically lower the front tire pressure to around 20 PSI for our first ride. We raise it to 42 PSI (or more for STRAIGHT LINE use only!) after about 20 miles.
I�m sure MOST tire manufacturers would disagree with our process!!!!... USE YOUR OWN HEAD and JUDGMENT.
ALL new tires are slippery at first�..we are just brave (or stupid?!�from a liability standpoint!) enough to warn you in advance.
Good Luck and BE CAREFUL!
Brock
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'(42 PSI (or more for STRAIGHT LINE use only!))'
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posted July 12, 2011 02:31 AM
IMHO, the gearing would be something to consider bringing closer to stock if you are concerned that the power willl get you in trouble. I have 17/45 and it can get to be a bit of a risk management situation coming out of corners midrange rpm and higher. Had some eye openners
happen under sport riding conditions.
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posted July 13, 2011 01:25 AM
Thanks for the great info and tips guys!
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Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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posted July 13, 2011 07:54 AM
Edited By: dubious on 13 Jul 2011 15:58
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if you're stretching it you won't have to worry about having enough traction to high side lol
I was thinking it would be easier to highside because of the loss in traction from extending the bike?
This is true, it will break free easy, and then the side of the tire will bite you, just like last time.
I blame cold tires, high tire pressure, and very likely some oil or antrfreeze on your rubber from the ferry deck....
those decks are horrible for that.
Also 42 psi is max recommended pressure, I weight 220 and run 30-35 psi front and rear, front is usually equal or 5 psi higher than rear, and at 5 " over on street, I ran as low as 27 psi out back.
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