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posted June 26, 2011 11:59 AM        Edited By: BLK ICE on 26 Jun 2011 20:06
Race Format Advice Wanted.

This is the format for a race I am putting together:
Bike Must have: (dot approved tires, head and tail lights, and street exhaust. No multi or sliders)
Max Wheel Base to rider wieght:
250+lbs 72"
249-201lbs 68"
200-150lbs64"
150-0lbs 60"
Power adder ok.

Plus run what you brung grudge racing between rounds.

Race will take place on 1/8 mile track.

What do you guys think?
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posted June 26, 2011 05:07 PM        
I have no clue .. Last two times at test and tune i was the only bike .. I have tried to put a bike race and nobody wanted any part of it .. The track owner told me to forget it ..
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posted June 26, 2011 05:17 PM        
Run a power adder class and a NA class.
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posted June 26, 2011 05:31 PM        Edited By: BLK ICE on 27 Jun 2011 01:43
Thanks for the feed back.
All the Real Street Bikes that I can think of have sidewinders. Hence, bike most have "Street Pipe". I am banking on the fact that an owner of a real street bike will not change his set-up to run a local event at 1/8 track.
I am trying to start a monthly event at our local track just to put a little fun back into racing. TNT gets old and grudge racers, for the most part, just stand around waiting for someone to do a DUMB race with them. The guys who want to race a fair race get no action.

Do you Guys think the wheel base to weight requirements seems fair to everyone?

Max Wheel Base to rider wieght:
250+lbs 72"
249-201lbs 68"
200-150lbs64"
150-0lbs 60"
Power adder ok.

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posted June 26, 2011 05:36 PM        
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Run a power adder class and a NA class.

How could I ensure the trueful racers in the NA class that someone is not spraying a small shot?
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posted June 26, 2011 05:39 PM        
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I have no clue .. Last two times at test and tune i was the only bike .. I have tried to put a bike race and nobody wanted any part of it .. The track owner told me to forget it ..


How were you going to set the race up ( classes etc.)?
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posted June 26, 2011 05:53 PM        
What do you think of index racing??
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posted June 27, 2011 05:34 AM        
I'm not fond of the weight to wheelbase deal. I like the NA class and the Power Adder class idea though.
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posted June 27, 2011 09:46 AM        
And another thing if you get This going. Don't race in your own race. Just sit it out and run the show.
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posted June 27, 2011 11:50 AM        Edited By: BLK ICE on 27 Jun 2011 19:53
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I'm not fond of the weight to wheelbase deal. I like the NA class and the Power Adder class idea though.


How could I ensure the trueful racers in the NA class that someone is not spraying a small shot?

If not weight to wheel base, how to make it competitive for everyone?


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posted June 27, 2011 12:09 PM        
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And another thing if you get This going. Don't race in your own race. Just sit it out and run the show.

Good advice.
Thanks.
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posted June 27, 2011 12:14 PM        
bike guys don't race
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posted June 27, 2011 12:52 PM        Edited By: BLK ICE on 27 Jun 2011 21:49
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bike guys don't race

Than I wish they stop acting like they do. I have had several guys call me out this year. After buying race gas and setting-up my bike -up. They backed out like b*tches. Last Thursday a guy (170lbs, 08 busa, 67in, with spray) backed out of a race after we both were in the water box. Last Friday a guy(160lbs, 3x4 gsxr 1000, with spray) agreed to race but when it came time to line up he acted like he did not know who the hell I was. Also last Fri. a guy (190lbs,gsxr1000, motor work with spray) would not race if I (290lbs, stock motor ZX14 with springs and spray, 71in) didn't give him the brake. This sh*t gets old.
I am not trying to make a profit off the monthly race. I just want people to have a place to go race heads up were they know they can get a race and have a chance of winning something.





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posted June 27, 2011 01:10 PM        Edited By: BLK ICE on 27 Jun 2011 21:29
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What do you think of index racing??

I think heads-up is more fun. We all build the best bikes we can. We do this to go as fast as we can. I think stock bikes are boring. If I were to run in a index class I would just get a stock bike and run in the slowest class (boring IMO).

With Heads up racing anything can happen and usualy does. Often ,when the bike set-ups are competitive, the underdog wins. The underdog wins because his riding skill are sharped due to racing guys with set-ups better than his. While the guys with the best set-ups are use to picking easy races and relying more on horse power than skill.

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posted June 27, 2011 01:35 PM        
I think the winner of an event should have to wait until the last race of the season to compete again. What you all think?
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posted June 27, 2011 01:37 PM        
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What do you think of index racing??

I think heads-up is more fun. We all build the best bikes we can. We do this to go as fast as we can. I think stock bikes are boring. If I were to run in a index class I would just get a stock bike and run in the slowest class (boring IMO).

With Heads up racing anything can happen and usualy does. Often ,when the bike set-ups are competitive, the underdog wins. The underdog wins because his riding skill are sharped due to racing guys with set-ups better than his. While the guys with the best set-ups are use to picking easy races and relying more on horse power than skill.

I agree about index racing because it does not really excite me either. I mean I find it hard to believe that people would spend thousands in a bike to actually dial in a time slower than what its capable of. I think that in some heads up classes like Realstreet the wheelbase rule needs to be looked at a little closer. IMO
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posted June 27, 2011 03:20 PM        Edited By: 1badzx12r on 27 Jun 2011 23:39
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What do you think of index racing??

I think heads-up is more fun. We all build the best bikes we can. We do this to go as fast as we can. I think stock bikes are boring. If I were to run in a index class I would just get a stock bike and run in the slowest class (boring IMO).

With Heads up racing anything can happen and usualy does. Often ,when the bike set-ups are competitive, the underdog wins. The underdog wins because his riding skill are sharped due to racing guys with set-ups better than his. While the guys with the best set-ups are use to picking easy races and relying more on horse power than skill.

I agree about index racing because it does not really excite me either. I mean I find it hard to believe that people would spend thousands in a bike to actually dial in a time slower than what its capable of. I think that in some heads up classes like Realstreet the wheelbase rule needs to be looked at a little closer. IMO


I seen Ryan Schnitz run 7.24 or something to that effect on a HTP bike this weekend at Bristol . i didn't see you there running him heads-up ..
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posted June 27, 2011 03:25 PM        
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What do you think of index racing??

I think heads-up is more fun. We all build the best bikes we can. We do this to go as fast as we can. I think stock bikes are boring. If I were to run in a index class I would just get a stock bike and run in the slowest class (boring IMO).

With Heads up racing anything can happen and usualy does. Often ,when the bike set-ups are competitive, the underdog wins. The underdog wins because his riding skill are sharped due to racing guys with set-ups better than his. While the guys with the best set-ups are use to picking easy races and relying more on horse power than skill.

I agree about index racing because it does not really excite me either. I mean I find it hard to believe that people would spend thousands in a bike to actually dial in a time slower than what its capable of. I think that in some heads up classes like Realstreet the wheelbase rule needs to be looked at a little closer. IMO


Says the guy with a 7.90 bike lol not everyone will dump 20k in a bike. but a good index would be like 5.70 or something like that, that way street bikes and track bikes can have fun together than you won't have to worry about power adders or anything like that just say here is the number and run the number have like $30 entry make it cheap to get people to race he'll maybe even $20 bucks (until everything gets sorted out) see if the track will kick like 100 bucks and maybe you can throw in 50-100 just to get the pot up and have a pay out for 1st 2nd 3rd, 70% 20% 10% than have grudge racing between rounds.

But index is the only way to get it started I think, than when more and more people start showing up than start doing classes with bigger pay outs. But keep the index class and have a little bit of all entry's from other classes go to the index class take care of them and have a incentive for them and they will make your race grow
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posted June 27, 2011 04:02 PM        
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What do you think of index racing??

I think heads-up is more fun. We all build the best bikes we can. We do this to go as fast as we can. I think stock bikes are boring. If I were to run in a index class I would just get a stock bike and run in the slowest class (boring IMO).

With Heads up racing anything can happen and usualy does. Often ,when the bike set-ups are competitive, the underdog wins. The underdog wins because his riding skill are sharped due to racing guys with set-ups better than his. While the guys with the best set-ups are use to picking easy races and relying more on horse power than skill.

I agree about index racing because it does not really excite me either. I mean I find it hard to believe that people would spend thousands in a bike to actually dial in a time slower than what its capable of. I think that in some heads up classes like Realstreet the wheelbase rule needs to be looked at a little closer. IMO


I seen Ryan Schnitz run 7.24 or something to that effect on a HTP bike this weekend at Bristol . i didn't see you there running him heads-up ..
1BAD, you always talk shit and dump useless comments in everyones threads but you raced Bristol this weekend along with the other 10 people so now you are an expert? Ryan is arguably one of the fastest guys in the world and rides for one hell of a team. So no...I did not run Ryan heads up but I have in the past and yes he did beat me back in the day in 600ss and yes he still holds the record in that class. Would I run him heads up? Yes! Would I win? Probably not. He won the last Mirock race with an 8 second pass because shit happens in heads up racing. I have entered many index races to support the sport but racing heads up is much more exciting in my opinion and will always draw a bigger crowd and that is a fact. NHRA races are all heads up and whats on TV? What fills the stands? I don't see huge crowds running towards the stands when index classes are running either. Why? Because its boring to watch some dick on 13 second bike race a 9 second bike and wins! Hey, when its all said and done if I was 250lbs I damn sure would not be racing heads up either. Opinions vary but should I get blasted because I personally think index racing is boring? I would hope that we can all agree that heads up racing is way more exciting to watch?
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posted June 27, 2011 04:22 PM        
Ya I'll admit it's way more exciting to watch, but if you could just get the bikes to show up no one would ever have to race index racing.
Also another thing if there was a race and you showed up and I was gonna enter I'd save my money and just TnT, I can't run with a 7.90 bike and I'm sure many many others will do the same. That why heads up has such shitty turn outs, people don't want to lose before the race even starts..
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posted June 27, 2011 04:36 PM        
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Ya I'll admit it's way more exciting to watch, but if you could just get the bikes to show up no one would ever have to race index racing.
Also another thing if there was a race and you showed up and I was gonna enter I'd save my money and just TnT, I can't run with a 7.90 bike and I'm sure many many others will do the same. That why heads up has such shitty turn outs, people don't want to lose before the race even starts..
I agree with you 100% but I don't think alot of people understand how close a race between two bikes that run within 3 tenths of each other can actually be on a pro tree. How many times in one night do you make a bad pass or a mistake? I have made so many mistakes but that is part of heads up racing too. I mean on our average TNT there are probably 20 bikes all running within one second of each other but everybody is scared to race heads up. I understand completly what you are saying though but people look at someones fastest pass and say screw that I am not racing him. Schnitz was two tenths off the times that he ran last weekend and in fact Levar won the Bristol race not Ryan so thats all I am saying. Who cares as long as everyone is having fun?
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posted June 27, 2011 05:57 PM        Edited By: 1badzx12r on 28 Jun 2011 02:26
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What do you think of index racing??

I think heads-up is more fun. We all build the best bikes we can. We do this to go as fast as we can. I think stock bikes are boring. If I were to run in a index class I would just get a stock bike and run in the slowest class (boring IMO).

With Heads up racing anything can happen and usualy does. Often ,when the bike set-ups are competitive, the underdog wins. The underdog wins because his riding skill are sharped due to racing guys with set-ups better than his. While the guys with the best set-ups are use to picking easy races and relying more on horse power than skill.

I agree about index racing because it does not really excite me either. I mean I find it hard to believe that people would spend thousands in a bike to actually dial in a time slower than what its capable of. I think that in some heads up classes like Realstreet the wheelbase rule needs to be looked at a little closer. IMO


I seen Ryan Schnitz run 7.24 or something to that effect on a HTP bike this weekend at Bristol . i didn't see you there running him heads-up ..
1BAD, you always talk shit and dump useless comments in everyones threads but you raced Bristol this weekend along with the other 10 people so now you are an expert? Ryan is arguably one of the fastest guys in the world and rides for one hell of a team. So no...I did not run Ryan heads up but I have in the past and yes he did beat me back in the day in 600ss and yes he still holds the record in that class. Would I run him heads up? Yes! Would I win? Probably not. He won the last Mirock race with an 8 second pass because shit happens in heads up racing. I have entered many index races to support the sport but racing heads up is much more exciting in my opinion and will always draw a bigger crowd and that is a fact. NHRA races are all heads up and whats on TV? What fills the stands? I don't see huge crowds running towards the stands when index classes are running either. Why? Because its boring to watch some dick on 13 second bike race a 9 second bike and wins! Hey, when its all said and done if I was 250lbs I damn sure would not be racing heads up either. Opinions vary but should I get blasted because I personally think index racing is boring? I would hope that we can all agree that heads up racing is way more exciting to watch?




no i don't talk shit .. i enter races unlike you who does nothing but just run his mouth and test and tune about how fast your bike is and your riding skill and your utube abilities .. .. go enter you purchased the bike for the class now go and run it in the class .. i hate to tell you this but that NHRA crowd ain't there to watch motorcycles ..their there to watch CARS ..

I'm not giving worthless info like you said Bristol HAD 10 guys heads-up classes .. NO crowd .. BUT THERE WAS 60 entries in Pro ET .. 60 more in Street ET.. do the entry fees and pay-outs and you see who's carrying who .. if you only had a brain ..
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posted June 27, 2011 06:06 PM        Edited By: 1badzx12r on 28 Jun 2011 02:22
PRO MOD had 6 entries @ 225.00

it paid WINNER 4,000.00
2ND 2,000.00
SEMI'S 750.00
1/4 250.00


I COULD HAVE ENTERED AND MADE money and never make a round and say i had a Pro Mod bike .. lord help them if i'd won a round ..


total take in from 6 heads-up racers 1350.00 dollars ..the "crowd" was just racers freinds and family mostly in stands

paid out $8,000 .00 to 6 heads-up racers


in the hole for $6650.00 ..







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posted June 27, 2011 06:09 PM        
Entry $20. $7 to get in the gate fans and racers. Pro tree, Win light only.

1 .Do you Guys think the requirements listed below seem fair to everyone?

"Bike Must have: (dot approved tires, head and tail lights, and street exhaust. No multi or sliders)
Max Wheel Base to rider wieght:
250+lbs 72"
249-201lbs 68"
200-150lbs64"
150-0lbs 60"
Power adder ok."

2. What would you do to ensure a competitive format that is enforcable?


Thanks for any feed back,
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posted June 27, 2011 06:15 PM        
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Entry $20. $7 to get in the gate fans and racers. Pro tree, Win light only.

1 .Do you Guys think the requirements listed below seem fair to everyone?

"Bike Must have: (dot approved tires, head and tail lights, and street exhaust. No multi or sliders)
Max Wheel Base to rider wieght:
250+lbs 72"
249-201lbs 68"
200-150lbs64"
150-0lbs 60"
Power adder ok."

2. What would you do to ensure a competitive format that is enforcable?


Thanks for any feed back,
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