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posted August 27, 2011 03:16 AM
doing more reading, what are your thought of this article by Ben Pervis
Kawasaki is working on a supercharged four-cylinder bike as a replacement for the mighty ZZR1400.
A flurry of new patent documents from the company show enough detail to suggest the idea of supercharging a new high-performance machine is far more than just an engineering exercise.
Recent power increases in 1000cc superbikes, exemplified by the 190bhp BMW S1000RR, have created a problem for super-fast sports tourers like the ZZR1400 and Suzuki Hayabusa. Once the final word in flat-out acceleration and top speed, they are now outperformed by lighter, nimbler superbikes in a straight line as well as around corners.
The solution? Take advantage of the fact the ZZR has no race regs to conform to and add a huge dollop of power with the addition of a supercharger.
Over the last few weeks no fewer than four patents have been published, all showing different aspects of the same ZZR1400-style supercharged bike. But don't rush out to place your order just yet - Kawasaki is believed to be working on a revised ZZR, so a supercharged machine is likely to be at least 18 months away.
The design neatly slots the supercharger itself just behind the cylinders, underneath the throttle bodies, with drive to the turbine supplied via an idler gear (to increase its speed relative to engine revs) and a short chain. Air coming in through the normal intake between the headlights runs through a filter, over the engine and down to the supercharger, where it's compressed before being fed back up to the throttle bodies. There's no provision for an intercoooler, suggesting the set-up is aimed at providing a relatively modest power and torque increases, rather than drag-strip boost figures.
When it comes to supercharging, Kawasaki isn't breaking new ground; the firm already has years of experience with a remarkably similar supercharged four-cylinder engine. Not on a motorcycle, but in one of its jet skis. The Ultra 300X uses a motorcycle-style DOHC, 16-valve, four-cylinder engine, fairly close to the ZZR1400's in dimensions although with a slightly larger 1500cc capacity. In a bike doing without the Ultra 300X's intercooler around 250bhp should still be within easy reach.
Suggestions of a supercharged ZZR first emerged in 2009, however, this is the first time we've seen hard evidence to substantiate the rumours. The bike's relatively low development costs - adding forced induction to boost performance is a far cheaper way to boost performance than developing an entirely new motor - make supercharging the ZZR a promising prospect for a strong power-to-money ratio.
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posted August 27, 2011 03:17 AM
Pics/Vid
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Who the hell is removing posts!! Fuck that shit ...
I have all the pictures saved as well as the video if anyone wants them ..
Me to please....
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posted August 27, 2011 06:25 AM
I can't even leave town to enjoy a wedding without you knuckelheads creating a shitstorm LOL 
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posted August 27, 2011 07:03 AM
 Edited By: Lucky14 on 27 Aug 2011 15:04
Let me think......................
Who started all this?
Oh, wait .............................................. 
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post em if you've got em... first real foto posted by a member will win you a bikeland bucket hat 
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posted August 27, 2011 07:20 AM
Ha! Though this year it was a little different - the leaking LOL
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posted August 27, 2011 08:32 AM
It always good to tease the crowd.... I really don't think the bike will be have a supercharger on board. I think the noise heard was the coolant fan. The more power you make the hotter they tend to run. My new zx10 runs very warm, even with wetter-water.
We know there is a new bike coming out, I don't think it's going to be this year. Even though I think I read it will be October.... if it was October/11, why so much cloke and dager????
I think it will be a 2013 model
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posted August 27, 2011 08:49 AM
Usually supercharged vehicles have a boost gauge. I didnt see one. Doesnt mean it isnt on the digital display
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posted August 27, 2011 08:52 AM
Oh yeah almost forgot. A supercharger will add alot of weight. I'm thinking about 20 to 30lbs. between the the charger and the fortified air box.
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posted August 27, 2011 01:21 PM
I don't think the bike will be supercharged, yeah it adds weight, but the pay off is W0W.
I think the bike is supposed to be release in October/11
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posted August 27, 2011 02:46 PM
So where is everyone hearing this fan noise? Is there a vid out? If so point me in the right direction or send it to me please!!!!! Lol
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posted August 27, 2011 02:50 PM
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So where is everyone hearing this fan noise? Is there a vid out? If so point me in the right direction or send it to me please!!!!! Lol
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posted August 27, 2011 03:44 PM
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So where is everyone hearing this fan noise? Is there a vid out? If so point me in the right direction or send it to me please!!!!! Lol
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posted August 27, 2011 06:40 PM
Edited By: Lucky14 on 28 Aug 2011 02:41
Here is what Rickey posted on Psychobike on Oct. 28, 2007 when Rickey was pimpin’ the new more powerful 08 ZX-14. (BTW, I traded my 06 for an 08 2 days before, so I was pretty excited).
The title of the thread?
“08 Busa move over- 08 ZX14 makes 184hp, Documented from Crate,pics,dyno results”
Quoting Rickey:
“The numbers read
1.56. 60ft
4.02. 330ft
6.05 660ft
121.41
7.81. 1000ft
9.31 et
149.61 mph
Just to make sure we are clear, the bike was uncrated Friday, dynoed with and without filter on Friday.
Secondary butterflies still in place.
Lowered on Saturday
Race track on Sunday.
That's all folks.”
Not apples to apples, as the 08 was lowered and was at Atco, but running 87 pump.
Is a 6.34 @ 118 for the 2012 14 all that impressive, or is there more to the story???
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posted August 27, 2011 08:35 PM
quote:
Here is what Rickey posted on Psychobike on Oct. 28, 2007 when Rickey was pimpin’ the new more powerful 08 ZX-14. (BTW, I traded my 06 for an 08 2 days before, so I was pretty excited).
The title of the thread?
“08 Busa move over- 08 ZX14 makes 184hp, Documented from Crate,pics,dyno results”
Quoting Rickey:
“The numbers read
1.56. 60ft
4.02. 330ft
6.05 660ft
121.41
7.81. 1000ft
9.31 et
149.61 mph
Just to make sure we are clear, the bike was uncrated Friday, dynoed with and without filter on Friday.
Secondary butterflies still in place.
Lowered on Saturday
Race track on Sunday.
That's all folks.”
Not apples to apples, as the 08 was lowered and was at Atco, but running 87 pump.
Is a 6.34 @ 118 for the 2012 14 all that impressive, or is there more to the story???
Lucky i fell for that 08 zx10 Ricky Gadson hype also .. As you know that 08 zx10 was a turd .. Well at least mine was .. I will not fall for that again .. If i'm going to buy into this 2012 zx14 someone else other than Ricky is going to show me proof .. I'm not buying his sales pitch again ..
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posted August 27, 2011 11:26 PM
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posted August 28, 2011 12:00 AM
quote:
quote:
Here is what Rickey posted on Psychobike on Oct. 28, 2007 when Rickey was pimpin’ the new more powerful 08 ZX-14. (BTW, I traded my 06 for an 08 2 days before, so I was pretty excited).
The title of the thread?
“08 Busa move over- 08 ZX14 makes 184hp, Documented from Crate,pics,dyno results”
Quoting Rickey:
“The numbers read
1.56. 60ft
4.02. 330ft
6.05 660ft
121.41
7.81. 1000ft
9.31 et
149.61 mph
Just to make sure we are clear, the bike was uncrated Friday, dynoed with and without filter on Friday.
Secondary butterflies still in place.
Lowered on Saturday
Race track on Sunday.
That's all folks.”
Not apples to apples, as the 08 was lowered and was at Atco, but running 87 pump.
Is a 6.34 @ 118 for the 2012 14 all that impressive, or is there more to the story???
Lucky i fell for that 08 zx10 Ricky Gadson hype also .. As you know that 08 zx10 was a turd .. Well at least mine was .. I will not fall for that again .. If i'm going to buy into this 2012 zx14 someone else other than Ricky is going to show me proof .. I'm not buying his sales pitch again ..
Agreed. My stuff paid for so it's gonna take more than some 10hp increase to get me to nudge. I'm looking for at least some weight savings and 18-20 hp. If not I'm sending my motor to Adams. Just got me a double my salary raise at work. So trading my bike in plus some cash for a 10hp new look? I'll pass and just put it in my motor.
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posted August 28, 2011 12:02 AM
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So where is everyone hearing this fan noise? Is there a vid out? If so point me in the right direction or send it to me please!!!!! Lol
bradleyfuqua@att.net
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Appreciate it man. PM reply.
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posted August 28, 2011 06:50 AM
quote:
quote:
Here is what Rickey posted on Psychobike on Oct. 28, 2007 when Rickey was pimpin’ the new more powerful 08 ZX-14. (BTW, I traded my 06 for an 08 2 days before, so I was pretty excited).
The title of the thread?
“08 Busa move over- 08 ZX14 makes 184hp, Documented from Crate,pics,dyno results”
Quoting Rickey:
“The numbers read
1.56. 60ft
4.02. 330ft
6.05 660ft
121.41
7.81. 1000ft
9.31 et
149.61 mph
Just to make sure we are clear, the bike was uncrated Friday, dynoed with and without filter on Friday.
Secondary butterflies still in place.
Lowered on Saturday
Race track on Sunday.
That's all folks.”
Not apples to apples, as the 08 was lowered and was at Atco, but running 87 pump.
Is a 6.34 @ 118 for the 2012 14 all that impressive, or is there more to the story???
Lucky i fell for that 08 zx10 Ricky Gadson hype also .. As you know that 08 zx10 was a turd .. Well at least mine was .. I will not fall for that again .. If i'm going to buy into this 2012 zx14 someone else other than Ricky is going to show me proof .. I'm not buying his sales pitch again ..
do you believe brock davidson when he says he gets over 200 from the 11 zx-10?
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posted August 28, 2011 07:01 AM
Rickey said the 2012 went 1/10 and 3 mph faster than the previous 14 completely stock. Who knows what all is true and what is bs. The great part for me is I sold my old 929 already and I am in the market for a zx14. If the 2012 is all of that I will buy it. If it doesn't live up to the hype I will just get a 2011 and save some $$.
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posted August 28, 2011 07:02 AM
quote:
quote:
quote:
Here is what Rickey posted on Psychobike on Oct. 28, 2007 when Rickey was pimpin’ the new more powerful 08 ZX-14. (BTW, I traded my 06 for an 08 2 days before, so I was pretty excited).
The title of the thread?
“08 Busa move over- 08 ZX14 makes 184hp, Documented from Crate,pics,dyno results”
Quoting Rickey:
“The numbers read
1.56. 60ft
4.02. 330ft
6.05 660ft
121.41
7.81. 1000ft
9.31 et
149.61 mph
Just to make sure we are clear, the bike was uncrated Friday, dynoed with and without filter on Friday.
Secondary butterflies still in place.
Lowered on Saturday
Race track on Sunday.
That's all folks.”
Not apples to apples, as the 08 was lowered and was at Atco, but running 87 pump.
Is a 6.34 @ 118 for the 2012 14 all that impressive, or is there more to the story???
Lucky i fell for that 08 zx10 Ricky Gadson hype also .. As you know that 08 zx10 was a turd .. Well at least mine was .. I will not fall for that again .. If i'm going to buy into this 2012 zx14 someone else other than Ricky is going to show me proof .. I'm not buying his sales pitch again ..
do you believe brock davidson when he says he gets over 200 from the 11 zx-10?
Well i would believe Brock long before Ricky Gadson... At this point Ricky has lost all credibility with me ..
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posted August 28, 2011 08:41 AM
Edited By: JZX on 28 Aug 2011 16:51
Guys running bikes on the east coast at sea level and in cooler temps will be humbled if they come to my neighborhood right now in this heat wave. My outdated 06 untouched motor on pump gas will match any 08 with simular set up same time, same place. last night it was 5.7's and 123.8. First pass off the trailer was 5.82 at 105 degrees air temperature. All short times were 1.44-1.46 range so its horsepower, not the launch thats doing it. I know that doesn' t sound too quick to most, but check the DA and correct it. That 08 vs 06 doesn't fly with me.
edit: I' m not talking about matching rider against rider, I' m talking the bike.. BTW, it doesn't have a Brock's exhuast or a Brock map.
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posted August 28, 2011 10:58 AM
The only thing with the Brock bike in the last video, he didnt reveal the a/f on that 201 STD switch...The new 10's are making good power after you get the ecu tweeked. I have one and it's the truth.....
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posted August 28, 2011 05:17 PM
I believe both Brock and Rickey / u know them both personally - now how the heck do I give out the prize? ding ding ding
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posted August 29, 2011 05:17 AM
Rickey & Brock are on the same Team, so would anyone believe one & not the other?
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posted August 29, 2011 06:13 AM
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Give it too Me.
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