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posted May 05, 2011 10:30 AM
Me vs my friend and his Big bore busa
After a long awaited group ride, me and a friend found ourselfs looking down a several mile straight with nothing but fields as far as the eye could see and not a sole to be found.
My bike is a 08 14, r-77 dual slip ons, bmc air, vortex 43 rear, and im about 180 in shorts. His is a 08 busa, 14?? big bore, full brocks, pc with custom dyno tune from a local shop. And other ? mods, He is about 230 in shorts.
First was a roll on from about 60, both of us in second, I pulled a quick 2-3 bikes on him in second, then in third he walked on by and took a solid 3 bike's ahead of me, After that I inch by inch gain on him till I get right on him then he shuts down every time, very fustrating.
In the standing mile it was a easy win for me as his launching was in need of work.
I should just leave well enough alone, but I want to make up that 3+ bike lenghts I need to match his midrange on our next ride. I was thinking of going down one on the front from the stock sprocket if this will give me what Im looking for, but at the same time I still want to be able to get to 175 or so. And or I was thinking (time for tires) of changing from bto-16's to the lighter Pilot Pure tires in hopes that the 2+ pounds each less rototing mass could help bridge this gap, am I dreaming or could this help to a measurable amount?
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Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
  
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posted May 05, 2011 10:46 AM
My bike -1 +1 bangs the limiter at 170 on GPS just putting that out there.
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posted May 05, 2011 10:59 AM
the rev or speed limiter?
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Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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posted May 05, 2011 11:07 AM
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the rev or speed limiter?
Speed so you will need a speedo healer or something.
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posted May 05, 2011 11:27 AM
Sounds like this might be the way to go, or at least a good start. I could grind a flat off the counter sprocket to get around the limiter right?
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Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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posted May 05, 2011 01:19 PM
absolutely, that's how dad and wheelie were running 16/48 gearing through the 1/4.
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posted May 05, 2011 01:43 PM
1.Get around the limter.
2.go down 1 tooth in the front.
3. put as much air in the tires as you can without them spinning or being unsafe.
4. always start from 1st gear,
You should run so far out on him in the first 2 gears that he should not get back around you.
Don't tell him what you did or he will do the samething and you will be back were you started.
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posted May 05, 2011 05:28 PM
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absolutely, that's how dad and wheelie were running 16/48 gearing through the 1/4.
I run ran the same gearing without grinding the nut off. Consistant 150 mph. I ground the nut off and never went over 151.
As far as the busavszx14... We all know a stock 14 with slip ons shouldnt outrun a built 14. As long as it's a 08-up
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posted May 05, 2011 06:34 PM
Thanks for the tips! Our next race will be from first gear speeds then. I will go down one tooth and start playing around with tire pressure, how much psi is a safe start? 45-50?
And as for me pulling him on top, is that the superior ram air setup on the 14 doing it's thing? My bike is not putting down big numbers on any dyno's, I think I saw 163hp last fall on a well known stingy dyno.
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Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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posted May 05, 2011 07:06 PM
 Edited By: BLK ICE on 6 May 2011 03:22
safe start psi front 42 rear 35 and work your way up from there. I ran 50 psi in the front and 30-35 but my wheeel base was 68". If you are stock wheel base start with 35 in the rear for rolling road racing and adjust from there.
If possiable, think about going to a track and move away for the road. It sounds like you can leave better than him anyway and its safer. No judging you, I have done alot of road racing in the pass.
" superior ram air setup" maybe. You are most likely tucked better than him also.
Let us know how the next race turns out.
If you do get another rear tire, a power1 is the best I have used on the road. hook-up best for the track both will save weight over the b-16.
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posted May 05, 2011 07:16 PM
Lol he'll I've been running 42 in the rear for 20k miles lol I thought that's what the factory recommended psi was.
And yes the track is where this should be, my only reason and it's not a good one is that there is no 1/8 or 1/4 mile around here.
We are looking into renting the closest track (pacific raceway) for our group.
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Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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posted May 05, 2011 10:22 PM
Have you taken out your flies,that will help with midrange aswell.
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posted May 05, 2011 11:22 PM
No, i like the way the flies refine the low end on the gen 2's for street riding.
How about degreeing the cams on my bike? Is there anything to be gained? Could I move some low/mid power to top end doing this?
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Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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posted May 06, 2011 08:09 AM
just throwing it out there... with stock 14 and stock busa it's a riders race. A built busa should make you look like you're in reverse. I've ridden a 1397 and a 1441 and both are 200+mph standing mile bikes with ease.
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posted May 06, 2011 09:45 AM
Edited By: BLK ICE on 6 May 2011 17:51
On paper I agree 1397 + Busa will beat a stock 14. But in real life, it still comes down to rider and set-up. Case in piont, Madness's 5.4 stock motor 14 pass compared to a 1397 or 1441 with a poor rider and bad set-up. Who would win? I have watched turbo's get ran over by stock motor bikes. Don't let anyone beat you with talk; make them do it on their bikes.
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posted May 06, 2011 10:23 AM
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On paper I agree 1397 + Busa will beat a stock 14. But in real life, it still comes down to rider and set-up. Case in piont, Madness's 5.4 stock motor 14 pass compared to a 1397 or 1441 with a poor rider and bad set-up. Who would win? I have watched turbo's get ran over by stock motor bikes. Don't let anyone beat you with talk; make them do it on their bikes.
I have both a stock motor genII booza and a stock motor 08 zx14 and the booza shits all over the 14 not talking shit or trolling I'm telling it how it is. The 14 is damn nice bike tho.
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posted May 06, 2011 10:40 AM
I was fully expecting to get smoked, this came as a shock to me too. I think you have to look at all the little things, I weigh much less than him, My bike has +2 rear gearing (vortex with there lightened 17t front sprocket and alum rear), my launch is way better than his, Im smaller and can tuck better, and I keep my bike in top condition (valve lash kept spot on, chain maintance, top quality oil, good tire pressure.
He weighs much more, has stock gearing, his build was done over several shops and may have lost direction. *And his brocks exhaust kept blowing out the guts, at the end of a few runs he would push it back in about a half inch or so, I would think this would cause a tunning issue at speed.
I'm going to buy a 16T front to try out, Vortex or JT? Does the Vortex's lightened one have any real advantage over the plain JT?
Its nice to have some real compition up here, I was loosing the drive to modifiy my 14 living up here in Washington with this cold rainy weather on this island, and that was making me loose intrest in my bike over time. But now its all I can think about out side of the bike shop ive opened up here.
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Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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posted May 06, 2011 10:50 AM
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On paper I agree 1397 + Busa will beat a stock 14. But in real life, it still comes down to rider and set-up. Case in piont, Madness's 5.4 stock motor 14 pass compared to a 1397 or 1441 with a poor rider and bad set-up. Who would win? I have watched turbo's get ran over by stock motor bikes. Don't let anyone beat you with talk; make them do it on their bikes.
I have both a stock motor genII booza and a stock motor 08 zx14 and the booza shits all over the 14 not talking shit or trolling I'm telling it how it is. The 14 is damn nice bike tho.
Thats intersting, my neighbor and friend has a 08 busa (carbon copy with mods and weight), from roll ons I walk away from him every time, (swap bikes he walks). Not talking shit or trolling I'm telling it how it is. The Busa is a damn nice bike tho. We all have our own variying results and opinions.
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08 ZX14, 2010 Persimmon Red bodywork.
Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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posted May 06, 2011 11:25 AM
My No-Mar tire changer just showed up!!
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Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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posted May 06, 2011 03:53 PM
Ether you got a zx14 that was supposed to go to Florida or you are riding a v-max and calling it a zx14...
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posted May 06, 2011 09:30 PM
How did you figure it out? It's a vmaxx with 14 body work, that's how I'm running with the big bore busa's!
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08 ZX14, 2010 Persimmon Red bodywork.
Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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posted May 06, 2011 09:39 PM
I've been playing and practicing tire changes with my new no mar tire changer all night, this thing is fantastic! And I can even do car and light truck tires on it, it looks like I could fit my 31" at's on this thing.
Tomorrow is a all day BBQ at my garage, I will be doing free tire changes (byot), I'm hoping this will be a good way to get new customers. So far the repair and speed shop is doing well.
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Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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posted May 07, 2011 08:02 AM
You can go 16/43 on a stock chain after it is broken in. I assure you 60 to 170 will happen much quicker. Your friends body weight is killing him. My friends 08 stock Busa with pipe and PC3 was always right beside me(2007 14, pipe,PC3 etc ) until I installed the Kawasaki Zephyr 16 tooth front and a steel 43 from Driven Sprockets. 170 GPS was 10,500 RPM... I have a Heal tech Speedo Healer with pig tail button that stores 2 ratios. I now pull him several bikes on the hit and a bike evey time I shift. :-) He is looking at a smaller front as he has a +2 on the rear. :-)
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posted May 07, 2011 12:43 PM
I don't think that he understands how a 1441 busa runs. you're talking 210-220hp there. a 1397 will make 200-210 depending on head and cams. so take your 165-170hp and add a 50 shot all the time. that's how a 1441 runs. I routinely walked my buddies 08 busa, but it was same mods as mine, I was 20 lbs lighter, and a better rider. From a roll it was close with me getting him by about a bike per gear. we've got a guy at our local track named noah that has a 1397 and he would routinely turn 5-6mph faster than me and a second slower in the 1/8th lol. hard to ride at stock wheelbase, but 207hp is 207hp no matter how you look at it. I wasn't even a race for him in a roll.
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eklipse636
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posted May 07, 2011 01:36 PM
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I don't think that he understands how a 1441 busa runs. you're talking 210-220hp there. a 1397 will make 200-210 depending on head and cams. so take your 165-170hp and add a 50 shot all the time. that's how a 1441 runs. I routinely walked my buddies 08 busa, but it was same mods as mine, I was 20 lbs lighter, and a better rider. From a roll it was close with me getting him by about a bike per gear. we've got a guy at our local track named noah that has a 1397 and he would routinely turn 5-6mph faster than me and a second slower in the 1/8th lol. hard to ride at stock wheelbase, but 207hp is 207hp no matter how you look at it. I wasn't even a race for him in a roll.
That's what I was thinking
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